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[gabbitas31]

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is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??
if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise

yes its the same litter and i thought the same

That makes 3 of us, :blink: i was wondering this,!!!! but i still think the dog who ever it belongs too should be able to race, (i know at the time i was worried about Tori's litter so i know how this person must feel). di

 

[JOHNG]

is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??
if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise

yes its the same litter and i thought the same

That makes 3 of us, :blink: i was wondering this,!!!! but i still think the dog who ever it belongs too should be able to race, (i know at the time i was worried about Tori's litter so i know how this person must feel). di

they are nearlly 2 year old i think, would have saved a lot of hassle if it had been registered when younger.

 

[gabbitas31]

Very true, :thumbsup: is the owner not on here, maybe they could give a reason why, (if they wanted too) :thumbsup: di

 

[wild whippies]

I thought there was leeway given to the offspring of a bitch already mated before that date

Exactly how I understand it and I recall someone suggesting at the reps meeting that a period of grace should be given to not only cover pups born before the date but also those that were conceived before that date as well. This was to prevent any pups becoming a possible welfare issue.

It's a shame this wasn't documented in the minutes of the reps meeting but it seems Linda recalls it as well as I do. :thumbsup:

This man has bought a dog for a specific purpose. He told me this when he first showed me his young pup.

It was born before ANY changes were made within the registering of racing whippets.

The owner, as a newcomer would never have known about changes in the rulings and therefore would of had no prior knowledge of the new legislation in place. Furthermore, as a puppy owner, he wouldn't know at that time whether his dog would actually of been effected by any new legislation.

I think there's enough information being put forward here for the relevant people to have some reasonable forsight and as such I would suggest the owner persues his application for registration in writing giving the organisation the opportunity to respond officially.

 

[alfie p]

the dog was born may 08 so i thoght that they was allowed to be reg with bwra

 

[weathergirls]

I thought there was leeway given to the offspring of a bitch already mated before that date

Exactly how I understand it and I recall someone suggesting at the reps meeting that a period of grace should be given to not only cover pups born before the date but also those that were conceived before that date as well. This was to prevent any pups becoming a possible welfare issue.

It's a shame this wasn't documented in the minutes of the reps meeting but it seems Linda recalls it as well as I do. :thumbsup:

I REMEMBER IT WELL BEING ONE THAT RAISED THE ISSUE

This man has bought a dog for a specific purpose. He told me this when he first showed me his young pup.

It was born before ANY changes were made within the registering of racing whippets.

The owner, as a newcomer would never have known about changes in the rulings and therefore would of had no prior knowledge of the new legislation in place. Furthermore, as a puppy owner, he wouldn't know at that time whether his dog would actually of been effected by any new legislation.

I think there's enough information being put forward here for the relevant people to have some reasonable forsight and as such I would suggest the owner persues his application for registration in writing giving the organisation the opportunity to respond officially.

 

[tinarpoole]

WELL PUT LINDA THE BWRA ARE A DEMOCRATIC ASSOCIATION AND THERE ISNOT ONE OBJECTION FROM ANY BODY .VICKY IS ON TOP TABLE AND WONT ALLOW AN INJUSTICE JUST GET HIM REGISTERED AND GOOD LUCK TO BLACK PEARL,WE NEED EVERY NEW MEMBER

 

[Trojan]

is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??
if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise

yes its the same litter and i thought the same

That makes 3 of us, :blink: i was wondering this,!!!! but i still think the dog who ever it belongs too should be able to race, (i know at the time i was worried about Tori's litter so i know how this person must feel). di

they are nearlly 2 year old i think, would have saved a lot of hassle if it had been registered when younger.

The age of the dog when registered shouldn't really be an issue, some people register pups before they are fully trained etc. and they may never run in either organisation if they don't make the grade, have injuries many reasons i would think, so to be fair its ones own preference if they want to wait and see if the dog makes the grade, is a true racer etc. and a valid point if only one meeting of the season left and the dog was a youngster i would agree and wait till the next season. I too have a dog that is well over a year old and not registered and maybe, may never be they way she is going but who knows if at 2 years old decides to get her head together i may just register her, it may only be a minimal fee to register a dog but not everyone wants to throw money away 3 months or 3 years if the dog is within the rules for registering shouldnt be a problem.

 

[friggsy]

is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??
if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise

yes its the same litter and i thought the same

That makes 3 of us, :blink: i was wondering this,!!!! but i still think the dog who ever it belongs too should be able to race, (i know at the time i was worried about Tori's litter so i know how this person must feel). di

they are nearlly 2 year old i think, would have saved a lot of hassle if it had been registered when younger.

The age of the dog when registered shouldn't really be an issue, some people register pups before they are fully trained etc. and they may never run in either organisation if they don't make the grade, have injuries many reasons i would think, so to be fair its ones own preference if they want to wait and see if the dog makes the grade, is a true racer etc. and a valid point if only one meeting of the season left and the dog was a youngster i would agree and wait till the next season. I too have a dog that is well over a year old and not registered and maybe, may never be they way she is going but who knows if at 2 years old decides to get her head together i may just register her, it may only be a minimal fee to register a dog but not everyone wants to throw money away 3 months or 3 years if the dog is within the rules for registering shouldnt be a problem.

pups can cost anythink from 150 pounds up to anythink so whats another 12 pounds if peaple at to pay it earlier might give dogs more of a chance than think thats no good and get rid of thats why out of all these pups born well over 100 see our many race omi

 

[Trojan]

I understand £12.00 isn't alot of money(to most people but it is to some), but also i dont think whether registered or not it would make a difference to people keeping them or not if they dont make the grade or not if they are people who would anyway I was just trying to make the point that what ever the dogs age doesnt make a difference and we dont have to register them as pups :teehee:

 

[Paws123]

All regs of adult dogs over 55lb would be allowed to contuine racing with the BWRA this was an unanimous decision with only 1 person voting against it , From December 14th 2008 any dogs previosly registered and racing as a adult will be still eligible to do so for life.

Any dog that exceeds 55lb from that date either a new reg or already registered will have there reg fee refuneded

 

[Vicky]

All regs of adult dogs over 55lb would be allowed to contuine racing with the BWRA this was an unanimous decision with only 1 person voting against it , From December 14th 2008 any dogs previosly registered and racing as a adult will be still eligible to do so for life.Any dog that exceeds 55lb from that date either a new reg or already registered will have there reg fee refuneded

:thumbsup: that's clear enough

then on the 9th Feb it was acknowledged a 10 week period was needed to allow for bitches already mated, which seemingly now was only for the greyhound breeding rule - from replies on here i don't think people realised an allowance wasn't being made for the weight cap as well.

 

[wild whippies]

WELL PUT LINDA THE BWRA ARE A DEMOCRATIC ASSOCIATION AND THERE ISNOT ONE OBJECTION FROM ANY BODY .VICKY IS ON TOP TABLE AND WONT ALLOW AN INJUSTICE JUST GET HIM REGISTERED AND GOOD LUCK TO BLACK PEARL,WE NEED EVERY NEW MEMBER

She may well be on the top table but she can not overule her fellow committee members and the same goes for the rest of the committee. They need to discuss this thoroughly before making any decisions on the registration of this dog.

 

[friggsy]

SO CAN IT RUN OR NOT I HOPE IT CAN GOT IT IN MY TOP TEN :luck:

 

[mutley]

think the committee need to get together and discuss this ...but remember rules cant be made for one and not the other hope it gets regestered myself :luck:

 

[friggsy]

think the committee need to get together and discuss this ...but remember rules cant be made for one and not the other hope it gets regestered myself :luck:

WELL SAID GAZ :thumbsup:

 

[Paws123]

All regs of adult dogs over 55lb would be allowed to contuine racing with the BWRA this was an unanimous decision with only 1 person voting against it , From December 14th 2008 any dogs previosly registered and racing as a adult will be still eligible to do so for life.Any dog that exceeds 55lb from that date either a new reg or already registered will have there reg fee refuneded

Statement from the National Committee

To All B.W.R.A Members

 

 

 

After receiving appeals from members by post and telephone reference the New BWRA Ruling on the breeding and registration of whippets with Greyhound based linage.

 

The BWRA committee decided a fuller explanation of the proposal by the proposed and seconder was required, this was received by the Chairman on the 9th February 2009.

 

Summery example: A dog mated to a full Greyhound bitch must have at least 3 generations clear of direct Greyhound in the ancestry for the offspring to be accepted for registration with the BWRA.

 

If any member has any queries as to the parentage of any future mating then please send either Alison or Tony the pedigree of the mating and we will advise accordingly.

 

The Committee has also considered appeals of mating bred, but not registered before the proposal came in. It was felt to be unfair to these pups as purchasers had no prior knowledge of the implementation of this New Rule.

 

Therefore the Committee has decided a period of amnesty.

 

Ten weeks from the 14th December 2008 AGM date. An allowance has been made for those litters born during this period and they will be allowed registration with the BWRA.

 

All litters born after the 22nd February 2009 deadline. From this date forward the new ruling will apply to all litters not conforming to the New BWRA ruling and will not be allowed to register as a BWRA whippet.

 

 

 

Tony Cooper BWRA Chairman.

 

For and on behalf of the BWRA National Committee.

Yes Vicky there was an amendment of the new 2008 passed Proposals which allowed off spring that where unborn to register...10 weeks from the 14th December taking it to a deadline of 22nd February 2009.

I am surmising that the dog falls in the time limit...so the only reason I can see why the dog cannot be registered is because it has gone over 55lb

Now reading the above (Statement from the National Committee to All B.W.R.A Members) it does not say which rule the amendment applies to, so is it the breeding rule or the 55lb cap or both ...I would surmise it would be both the new proposals brought in on 2008 as these where the ones that appeals where made about

As i did state at the time of both the proposal s - breeding % and capping there was not enough home work done on them both, and said it would take a average of at least 5 years to see some change in the size of the none ped whippet ....both these new rules will work but more lead way to the off spring born late 2008 must be given..it’s a shame that the dog in question was not owned by one of the breeders , but has become a family pet to someone new into our sport ....can we afford to turn new members away i don’t think so

Good luck I hope this family manage to sort it out and enjoy our sport

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

Any non-ped born before this ruling came into force should be allowed to be registered regardless of weight or its breeding :thumbsup:

TOTALY AGREE

 

[tinarpoole]

WELL PUT LINDA THE BWRA ARE A DEMOCRATIC ASSOCIATION AND THERE ISNOT ONE OBJECTION FROM ANY BODY .VICKY IS ON TOP TABLE AND WONT ALLOW AN INJUSTICE JUST GET HIM REGISTERED AND GOOD LUCK TO BLACK PEARL,WE NEED EVERY NEW MEMBER

She may well be on the top table but she can not overule her fellow committee members and the same goes for the rest of the committee. They need to discuss this thoroughly before making any decisions on the registration of this dog.

I KNOW SHE CANT MAKE AN INDIVIDUAL DECISION THATS WHY ITS A DEMOCRACY.BUT AS THE REGIONAL REPRESENTERTIVE OF BLACK PEARL SHE HAS GOT TO PLEAD HIS CASE.I AGREE WITH THE RULE BUT WHEN IT WAS IMPLENTEDI WAS VERY VOICEFEROUS FOR A COOLING OFF PERIOD OR AMNESTY.........I STUDIED THE RULING AND CANT SEE HOW A DIFFERENTIATION WAS MADE BETWEEN BREEDING AND WEIGHTS.IS ANYBODY TELLING ME THAT BIGLAND BAILEY CAN RUN BUT BLACK PEARL CANT LAUGHABLE.ITS SO SIMPLE TO RESOLVE THE SITUATION JUST HAVE A VOTE ON K9 OR PREFERABLY AT THE NEXT BWRA MEETING AT WESSY OR CHAMPS WHERE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS WILL ATTEND.

 

[mutley]

what weight is bailey rob