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Scratch Rulings

as far as i'm concerned you can't discriminate between the breeding and cap ruling if this dog was born before the cut of no matter what weight or breeding it should be racing, :thumbsup:

this year is a proposal year and members should think long and hard before putting proposals forward and voting them in after all its the committee who take most of the stick when sorting them out, i understand the breeding needed looking into, but the capping should never have been changed no limit should mean no limit !! just my opinion (w00t)
 
my point was bigland bailey is under the cap rob so i dont know where this is gonna go.. but i bet if it was one of garys most would be saying rules are rules thats what gaz got lets face it these rules were brought in as a direct hit on gaz n grahams breeding regemes sod it im speaking ,my mind lol but i still dont think this dog shuld be turned away
 
my point was bigland bailey is under the cap rob so i dont know where this is gonna go.. but i bet if it was one of garys most would be saying rules are rules thats what gaz got lets face it these rules were brought in as a direct hit on gaz n grahams breeding regemes sod it im speaking ,my mind lol but i still dont think this dog shuld be turned away
 
things should of been left alone to start with ,too much change :angry: then we wouldnt have any of this either that or an extra class brought in as did fed no one can predict the weight of a scratch dog
 
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JOHNG said:
gabbitas31 said:
friggsy said:
JOHNG said:
is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??
if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise ;)
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yes its the same litter and i thought the same
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That makes 3 of us, :blink: i was wondering this,!!!! but i still think the dog who ever it belongs too should be able to race, (i know at the time i was worried about Tori's litter so i know how this person must feel). :( di
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they are nearlly 2 year old i think, would have saved a lot of hassle if it had been registered when younger.
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The age of the dog when registered shouldn't really be an issue, some people register pups before they are fully trained etc. and they may never run in either organisation if they don't make the grade, have injuries many reasons i would think, so to be fair its ones own preference if they want to wait and see if the dog makes the grade, is a true racer etc. and a valid point if only one meeting of the season left and the dog was a youngster i would agree and wait till the next season. I too have a dog that is well over a year old and not registered and maybe, may never be they way she is going but who knows if at 2 years old decides to get her head together i may just register her, it may only be a minimal fee to register a dog but not everyone wants to throw money away :) 3 months or 3 years if the dog is within the rules for registering shouldnt be a problem.
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I had a think about this and i agree with every thing you say, I think i would wait if it wasn't my only non ped, ;)

I look forward to seeing the dog race and good luck to him. :thumbsup: di
 
milly said:
Any non-ped born before this ruling came into force should be allowed to be registered regardless of weight or its breeding :thumbsup:
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Spot on :thumbsup: to me though weight shouldn't matter regardless N limit is N limit nobody can tell how big a pup will turn out :))
 
i agree it should be able to run but the point is the rule stated any dog could regester as long as it was born in the time allowence but if it exceeded the cap money would be refunded, my point is these rules should never of been brought in especialy the breeding one so its a tuff one and i feel sorry for the owner hope it gets sorted but not everyone will be pleased if rules get changed to suite, the fairest way i think would of been for the size of any dog regestering if big to be left to descretion of top tables just so people couldnt take the pi.. running masive dogs or greyhounds as long as a dog has whippet in its parents and is like in apearence there was never a problem with no limit, know one batted an eyelid until sup scratch came in as 36 40 never met no limit so there wasnt a saftey aspect as there seems to be now
 
DENISE BAILEY said:
DENISE BAILEY said:
All regs of adult dogs over 55lb would be allowed to contuine racing with the BWRA this was an unanimous decision with only 1 person voting against it , From December 14th 2008 any dogs previosly registered and racing as a adult will be still eligible to do so for life.Any dog that exceeds 55lb from that date either a new reg or already registered will have there reg fee refuneded
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Statement from the National Committee

To All B.W.R.A Members

 

 

 

After receiving appeals from members by post and telephone reference the New BWRA Ruling on the breeding and registration of whippets with Greyhound based linage.

 

The BWRA committee decided a fuller explanation of the proposal by the proposed and seconder was required, this was received by the Chairman on the 9th February 2009.

 

Summery example: A dog mated to a full Greyhound bitch must have at least 3 generations clear of direct Greyhound in the ancestry for the offspring to be accepted for registration with the BWRA.

 

If any member has any queries as to the parentage of any future mating then please send either Alison or Tony the pedigree of the mating and we will advise accordingly.

 

The Committee has also considered appeals of mating bred, but not registered before the proposal came in. It was felt to be unfair to these pups as purchasers had no prior knowledge of the implementation of this New Rule.

 

Therefore the Committee has decided a period of amnesty.

 

Ten weeks from the 14th December 2008 AGM date. An allowance has been made for those litters born during this period and they will be allowed registration with the BWRA.

 

All litters born after the 22nd February 2009 deadline. From this date forward the new ruling will apply to all litters not conforming to the New BWRA ruling and will not be allowed to register as a BWRA whippet.

 

 

 

Tony Cooper BWRA Chairman.

 

For and on behalf of the BWRA National Committee.

Yes Vicky there was an amendment of the new 2008 passed Proposals which allowed off spring that where unborn to register...10 weeks from the 14th December taking it to a deadline of 22nd February 2009.

I am surmising that the dog falls in the time limit...so the only reason I can see why the dog cannot be registered is because it has gone over 55lb

Now reading the above (Statement from the National Committee to All B.W.R.A Members) it does not say which rule the amendment applies to, so is it the breeding rule or the 55lb cap or both ...I would surmise it would be both the new proposals brought in on 2008 as these where the ones that appeals where made about

As i did state at the time of both the proposal s - breeding % and capping there was not enough home work done on them both, and said it would take a average of at least 5 years to see some change in the size of the none ped whippet ....both these new rules will work but more lead way to the off spring born late 2008 must be given..it’s a shame that the dog in question was not owned by one of the breeders , but has become a family pet to someone new into our sport ....can we afford to turn new members away i don’t think so

Good luck I hope this family manage to sort it out and enjoy our sport
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Glad you posted the statement from the commitee Dee.I can't see anywhere in the paragraph regarding the amnesty,anything suggesting that it applies to the breeding rule only.Think there's been a genuine mix up.I'm sure the commitee will sort it out.
 
let the people who it will be racing against decide.
 
If I remember correctly I did a little story a while back on this happening Florence and the custard creams

I believe the 55lb cap will work towards people breeding smaller...the breeding % new rule i dont agree with the way it is now

But these pros where never going to happen overnight , breeding programs takes time and there will never be any guarantees you are not going to get the odd greyhound through back

I don’t see the fairness in not allowing this dog to run when its litter mates are
 
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rodders said:
Glad you posted the statement from the commitee Dee.I can't see anywhere in the paragraph regarding the amnesty,anything suggesting that it applies to the breeding rule only.Think there's been a genuine mix up.I'm sure the commitee will sort it out.
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Posted it so i knew what i was looking for dates etc

I agree the statment dont pin point which rule /rules it amends
 
remember the committee are not to blame for this they did what was asked of them hope it gets sorted weve had too much negetivity in the sport :thumbsup:
 
not on any side but steven was told ages ago that hes pups out of wor john deensside secret where ok to run as they are only 40lb but the big dog in the litter owned by jill would not be able to run if went over 55lb lucky he is well under that but they accepted that ruling.

i seen black pearl run on sunday he looks a very good dog what weight is the dog in question is he well over 55lb or only just [i wonder if we would be having this talk if the bwra stuck by there rule that dogs will run out of whippet traps and not gryhound traps]
 
not on any side but steven was told ages ago that hes pups out of wor john deensside secret where ok to run as they are only 40lb but the big dog in the litter owned by jill would not be able to run if went over 55lb lucky he is well under that but they accepted that ruling.

i seen black pearl run on sunday he looks a very good dog what weight is the dog in question is he well over 55lb or only just [i wonder if we would be having this talk if the bwra stuck by there rule that dogs will run out of whippet traps and not gryhound traps]
 
jeffb said:
not on any side but steven was told ages ago that hes pups out of wor john deensside secret where ok to run as they are only 40lb but the big dog in the litter owned by jill would not be able to run if went over 55lb lucky he is well under that but they accepted that ruling. i seen black pearl run on sunday he looks a very good dog what weight is the dog in question is he well over 55lb or only just [i wonder if we would be having this talk if the bwra stuck by there rule that dogs will run out of whippet traps and not gryhound traps]
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I ALSO WAS TOLD THAT MY PUPS WERE NOW OK TO REGISTER BUT IF THEY WENT OVER THE 55LB THAT MY REGISTATION WOULD BE REFUNDED

BUT WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE THE DOG GIVEN ITS REGISTRATION

GOOD LUCK BLACK PEARL

GARY :luck:
 
jeffb said:
not on any side but steven was told ages ago that hes pups out of wor john deensside secret where ok to run as they are only 40lb but the big dog in the litter owned by jill would not be able to run if went over 55lb lucky he is well under that but they accepted that ruling. i seen black pearl run on sunday he looks a very good dog what weight is the dog in question is he well over 55lb or only just [i wonder if we would be having this talk if the bwra stuck by there rule that dogs will run out of whippet traps and not gryhound traps]
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they would be a few buggered if they did jeff also most tracks wont allow you to take whippet traps on bends for insurence reasons etc and who would take them all over different bend tracks
 
BLACK PEARL GETS MY VOTE LET THE OWNER REGISTER THE DOG INFACT OMO ALL DOGS BRED BEFORE THE SAID DATE REGARDLESS OF BREEDING AND WEIGHT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO REGISTER.

STILL THINK THE 55LB CAP WAS ENOUGH AND THE BREEDING PROGRAME WAS A BIG HIT AT ME AND GARY BUT HEY THATS LIFE I CAN LIFE WITH THAT EVEN THO I DONT AGREE WITH IT BUT RULES ARE RULES AND WE MUST ABIDE BY THEM I JUST HOPE THE TOP TABLE GETS TOGETHER AND SORTS THIS OUT FOR THE DOGS IN QUESTION IM SURE THEY WILL.
 
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