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[Fleesh]

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Incidentally has anyone ever checked the right and left hand side muscle development in their dogs ?

It could be a possibility that the dogs muslces on one side are developed more than the other causing the dog to "skew" over to one side. Physio's etc. check for injuries but sometimes don't take time to consider the size/strength of the muscle on one side compared to the size/strength of the opposite muscle.

Just an idea

 

[sherry]

Our little bitch was straight as the day is long until a dog ran up her backside. Now she is extreme right. Its got nowt to do with her training. We try to seed her extreme right but you can guarantee there will be a dog on the right of her!

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there is another problem here i dont know if it happens on the bends but it does on the straights. people seeding their dogs when they DONT NEED SEEDING or seeding them on the wrong side.

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Agree to with you Len sometimes due to other circumstances like yours dogs can then become wary and like to stay out of the way.

As for seeding when not needed i think that is why Steve says luck of the draw and then would stop everyone just jumping on the band wagon for the sake of it and if you knew of a definite right/left runner then it would be your choice to change traps and to be fair most of us would if we felt it was justifiable for the best racing and safety aspect )

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Yes your spot on there Sadie/karen or kim

that is exactly where i am coming from ---

it is really getting silly the lengths people will go for the outside boxes ---

maybe we should have them a yard apart and see what happens using the full width of the track with left hand dogs as far across to the left and right hand runners as far to the right as possible that way there would be plenty of track for straight runners also

as daft as this sounds it may well work and please every ones needs

steve

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i was watching some horse racing the other day with a canny few horses in it and they separated into different sides left & right. u cud try it on a wide track say like wallsend but u cudnt @ maltby its so narrow lol and it wud only work if the dogs were off levels again it wudnt work in yards 4 pound racing i am talking about straight racing of course i dont know wot u cud do on the bends

 

[wild whippies]

Incidentally has anyone ever checked the right and left hand side muscle development in their dogs ?

Elise, I had noticed it on Dobs, and asked Rob Meeks about the assymetry and he basically said the right rear leg is commonly larger on dogs running the bends.

The woman from his swimming pool also noticed it and we've been basically altenating between clockwise and anti-clockwise laps to try and balance him as it were. (w00t)

When we have run on the straights, I've been willing to change boxes with concerned owners as I think it's in everyone's best interests from both a safety and a competitive point of view. :thumbsup:

Some good tips being posted :thumbsup:

 

[Fleesh]

It's not just coming OUT of the bend we should be watching for but going IN too.

I have seen some dogs seeded wide get the outside box up the first straight and reach the bend then cut straight across the front of the other dogs onto the rail at the bend causing them all to pull up short while the "wide runner" gets away up the inside. All the other dogs have to sort themselves out and start running again.

 

[Paws123]

It's not just coming OUT of the bend we should be watching for but going IN too. I have seen some dogs seeded wide get the outside box up the first straight and reach the bend then cut straight across the front of the other dogs onto the rail at the bend causing them all to pull up short while the "wide runner" gets away up the inside. All the other dogs have to sort themselves out and start running again.

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yes ive seen this too

 

[rodders]

This is a brill topic :thumbsup: I dont seed Harvey on the straights,( did try asking Alison if I could seed him in the middle at straight champs :lol: )but when I first started running on straights with him did try seeding him both sides to see how he'd run.Only did this because really struggled to get much schooling with other big dogs,and because I didn't know if he'd show any preference to side when in company had to try a couple of times to find out.I do seed him left on bends as it didn't take long to realise he was a railer.

 

[sherry]

This is a brill topic :thumbsup: I dont seed Harvey on the straights,( did try asking Alison if I could seed him in the middle at straight champs :lol: )but when I first started running on straights with him did try seeding him both sides to see how he'd run.Only did this because really struggled to get much schooling with other big dogs,and because I didn't know if he'd show any preference to side when in company had to try a couple of times to find out.I do seed him left on bends as it didn't take long to realise he was a railer.

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i used to ask 4 the middle box with mickey whizz as that is where he went. ( sc dog) dont c why u cant ask 4 middle. some people say coz dogs r seeded left & right so u will get the middle, but imo thats not always the case, so imo u shud b able 2 seed middle

 

[sadieandco]

This is where it starts to get a bit OTT to me - if your dog definitley runs right or left like we all know some do this is when the 'need' for seeding comes apparent for better racing and safety, but if we are just picking Right, Middle, Left as a preference and in the hope our dogs might possibly get a clearer run with only one dog by the side of it or middle as thats where hopefuly the lure runs down the centre and all the seeded dogs part and leave a free middle line it starts to look like tactics opposed to 'need' :- " so whats fairest luck of the draw and sportsmanship or everyone vying for sides and it being abused by owners whose dogs in fairness would probably not cause any hassle if they came from any one of the four/five traps on offer !!!!

 

[Karen-Coral]

just chuck this in so you can research it on Google i have been told that the side they run is down to long time roots from hunting in packs and position of dog in pack ///

what do you think of that then?

steve how sensible are we being wooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww

 

[wild whippies]

No way! (w00t) You trying to blag us Steve? :- "

Tell the truth now or there won't be any party games for you and John at devon! (w00t) :lol:

 

[Fleesh]

Another thing to look at then, if/when you free run all your dogs together do any of them prefer to be running on the right/left of the other dogs ?

Will give us something to think about when we next go walkies 8)

 

[Karen-Coral]

as if i would be a party to blagging!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

surprise at you ---

Jacs ?????

the way your eyes lit up when i told you what games were on offer and Vicky was even better But mark is the one who surprised me think he needs seeding along with the fat controller John (BIG WOMBA MEADES)----lol

steve

 

[weathergirls]

just chuck this in so you can research it on Google i have been told that the side they run is down to long time roots from hunting in packs and position of dog in pack ///
what do you think of that then?

steve how sensible are we being wooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww

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sensible whats that (w00t) we could allways put all lefties together and all righties together and still have a draw for traps :- "

might be a few less for seeding next time

 

[Fleesh]

Liking this topic 8)

I think that as far as the Non-ped section of this forum goes we don't have enough "helpful" topics . Maybe things like this could be posted more often, I cannot see why members are not more helpful towards others who are having problems or struggling with their dogs.

Not everyone wants to know all your "trade secrets" and IMO if you give someone some advice, they CHOOSE to follow it and are successful then on the day that their dog beats yours you can lose gracefully, shake their hand or congratulate them knowing inside that you've somehow had a little hand in their success - then you can go away scratching your head as to how you can improve your dog to "get them next time" - just like they've done dozens of times chasing after your dog. :thumbsup:

 

[rob67]

Having not races the bends for long, and as we do seed Ty wide as a rule because he did run round the grass and not on the track initially, the last couple of races he has gone round the rail on the last bend because he's been in the front, is that cos he has learnt to do the bends or is it just luck. Do we not seed him now, or stick to what we have done? How do you decide? If we dont seed him and he gets the red box ...................what happens if he cuts across? Feels a bit like dammed if you do and dammed if you dont. Not enough scratch dogs to try it out up here away from opens etc. HELP

 

[Fleesh]

Watched the DVD of the Tyrone today Chris - just as an experiment to see which dogs were seeded and which ones in our opinion did not need seeding. Have to say the only dogs we saw running ON THE DAY that we would genuinely call a wide runner were Junior Walker and Free Spirit. They came out of the boxes and genuinely ran outwards when they came out their trap then round the middle of the bend. A lot of the other "wide" runners ran straight up the track from their trap to the bend and then cut in for the rail at the bend, this IMO is the natural racing action of almost ALL dogs running that day.

I would only call a dog an inside runner if it actively made the move from the boxes to go to the rail immediately. Show Quest was a prime example of this, acidentally bumping into a dog that missed the break as she made a run from the Red box to the rail barely 20yds from the boxes.

But then of course all opinions differ, others genuinely think their dogs need to be seeded in order to stop any trouble and others do it because they think their dog will keep out of trouble or get the best line into the bend. I certainly would not consider seeding a dog as a wide runner if it came OUT of the bend wide as this is quite common due to the dogs running after an outside hare. Nor would I consider seeding a dog inside if it ran up the track then tried to cut in to the rail on the bend as IMO this is the natural running action of most dogs. Probably the reason most people try to seed wide is to avoid the mele, if you think about it a race where dogs are evenly matched and all off scr then they'll all reach the bend together in a line, only one can have the rails that's how is goes. The winner may be the luckiest dog or the one lightest on it's feet. Sadly sometimes if people "cheat" with the seeding then the winning dog is the one with the craftiest owner.

P.S If you want to see a wide runner just watch Peter Winter's 20lb bitch 6ix - I close my eyes when she comes out of the boxes as she scares me to death running right out wide straight out the boxes and only stopping when she reaches the hare rail :sweating: .

 

[jasper.]

my dog, quick silver is an inside runner. if i trail him wide on his own, he goes strait to the inside rail, if there is a dog in the way, he will contact with it trying to get there.. at the fed meeting last saturday, he was in the blue box, the dog in the red box just got out infront of him, as he came to the bend he had passed the dog from the red box, and dived to the rail, only to get both his back legs spiked because he was not far enough clear off it... had he being in the red box, this would not have happend..

 

[Paws123]

going to sit and watch the past 3 dvd's of highgate

 

[Fleesh]

Maurice the fact that your dog did not go in for the rail until it had cleared (or thought it had cleared) the other dog would be enough to justify in some people's opinions that it should not be seeded as an inside runner. Most dogs will bump at the bend trying to get to the rail if they reach the bend at the same time as one or more other dogs. :thumbsup:

Mine sadly (or not) are too polite and would prefer to give access to another dog than have a confrontation on the bend. :sweating:

 

[Fleesh]

going to sit and watch the past 3 dvd's of highgate

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Your head will be spinning by the time you've done :wacko:

Make sure you get yourself a good strong drink afterwards, not before otherwise you'll have problems deciding what the dogs are doing, especially if you play it in rewind :teehee: .