Seeding !!!

[Karen-Coral]

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ELISE,  DID I NOT SAY THAT WHEN MY DOG TRAILS ON HIS OWN HE GOES STRAIT TO THE INSIDE RAIL,.. I COULD NOT GIVE A MONKEYS WHAT ANYONE HAS TO SAY ABOUT SEEDING, I KNOW MY OWN DOG, AND WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE, AND THE ONLY FACT THAT HE DID NOT GO STRAIGHT TO THE RAIL IN SATURDAYS RACE  IS BECAUSE THE RED DOG WAS IN HIS WAY, WHAT WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO.?SLOW UP A LITTLE SO HE COULD GET ROUND THE BACK OF IT.....
THE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RED BOX HE IS DRAWN, THE MORE TROUBLE HE IS LIKELY TO CAUSE..AND HE IS 61LB.. I KNOW MY DOG.....

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Typical that of you Maurice every one else has kept this in a light hearted form as requested in order to be of some help to others ---these are not rules !!! so don't think you have to break them lol

just a question ----How many races have you run with other scratch dogs /seasoned dogs i am talking about---/// not pups or yearlings ?? how many different traps have you exited --red /blue/ white /black /orange --whilst running with seasoned bend dogs.

reason i am asking is people have a different view as to how long it takes to know if seeding is required ---i never seed pups or yealings till i am sure what they are going to do and the system we run on the bends does not lend it self to seeding on a staggered start-- so it does not really apply---only off levels once a year maybe--

I also think that when pups run there should only be two in a race i know it would take longer but i think it would pay dividends in the long term you can watch two if one makes a mistake its easy to see what happens and rectify it --and this might help decrease wide running --who knows?

Steve the pie man

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WELL MR PIE MAN, IF YOU THINK BACK TO THE UK SC, IN DECEMBER, I RUN HIM OFF WITH DEANSIDE BELL, BUT MINE WAS IN THE BLUE ,AND DEANSIDE IN RED, 20 YARDS FROM THE TRAPS, MY DOG TRIED TO GO TO THE INSIDE RAIL, AND BUMPED WITH DEANSIDE, ALSO AT ASKERN, WHILST TRAILING WITH ADULT DOGS THE SAME HAPPEND, AND THE GREYHOUN MEN KEPT SAYING TO ME, YOUR YOUNG DOG IS AN OUT AND OUT INSIDE RUNNER.... SO TO PLAYIT SAFE, FOR MY DOG AS WELL AS THE OTHERS, THIS IS WHERE I SEED HIM......SO THERE YOU GO MATE.. RULES, OR NO RULES...

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Have you got your caps lock? on or was the----QWERTYUIOPASDFGHJKLZXCVBNM

done on intentionally ----?

please enlighten me was the answer to the question 3/4 times he has run in company??????? with seasoned dogs ????

steve

 

[Paws123]

I would think most owners are aware of where there dogs run on a track ... and 99% of them are honest enough people to swap with dogs that maybe favor a side more than there own , when you are running week in week out with the same dogs in your class you get to know which need left/right hand

Do believe if owners are seeding there dogs unnecessary it should be looked into

Maybe someone could volunteer to watch the racing and make notes on seeded dogs

 

[Amanda Worcester]

I know the topic was about training pups and hopefully not having extreme L/R hand runners.

At club straight racing we alternate the red box/ the side the lure runs every two weeks, therefore as Karen/Kim/ Sadie states they dont know which side the lure is coming from and therefore has no preference, We still have club dogs which prefer a side, and for safety sake if we can i.e. yard per lb racing it is not always possible, but when on level breaks we let them have their side. If you run a club you get to know which dogs are more L/R hand runners that others and try to accommodate these dogs.

Bend racing is more difficult as most club dogs run straights and only see the Bends a few time in the season (once trained) Why dogs prefer a rail when most if not all are trained on a outside hare ? dont know, perhaps its the camber they are running on

We have taken to seeding Demonic Love on the inside on bends since the Bend Derby 2007 has he does stay the inside line. On the Black Power DVD 2008 he is checking on the top bend to get back inside after being taken wide by the other dog and therefore costs him the race. On Jacs photos of the supreme run off for the Bend Derby 2008 with Pennysworth, both are railers but again the photos show him trying to get past inside her when she is running tight to the rail.

We have trained him from various traps bends and straights with other dogs on both sides. On the straights he runs from any box on the bends from the inside rail.

Like Jasper I think only you know your own dog best and as you only get one chance at the champs (its no good anyone saying after "if only") I think everyone should be given fair chance and by this I mean an open Draw where anyone who wishes to able to see it through each round.

Ps if anyone has any ideas on how to trap him pls let me know :- "

 

[Paws123]

Ps if anyone has any ideas on how to trap him pls let me know :- "

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bit of fiery jack on his naggers lol

 

[Fleesh]

Highgate traps are around 6" shorter than Westhooughton Amanda :thumbsup:

I used a 6" block behind Moany Moany's trapboard @ Wessie and she flew out, used the same block behind her trapboard at Highgate and instead of giving 2yds start she gave 5yds :unsure: . Absolutely fell out .

Don't know if that helps :huggles:

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

I would think most owners are aware of where there dogs run on a track ... and 99% of them are honest enough people to swap with dogs that maybe favor a side more than there own , when you are running week in week out with the same dogs in your class you get to know which need left/right hand
Do believe if owners are seeding there dogs unnecessary it should be looked into

Maybe someone could volunteer to watch the racing and make notes on seeded dogs

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sounds like a job for me dee. :thumbsup:

 

[Paws123]

I would think most owners are aware of where there dogs run on a track ... and 99% of them are honest enough people to swap with dogs that maybe favor a side more than there own , when you are running week in week out with the same dogs in your class you get to know which need left/right hand
Do believe if owners are seeding there dogs unnecessary it should be looked into

Maybe someone could volunteer to watch the racing and make notes on seeded dogs

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sounds like a job for me dee. :thumbsup:

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Well done :thumbsup: full report needed after each meeting

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

I would think most owners are aware of where there dogs run on a track ... and 99% of them are honest enough people to swap with dogs that maybe favor a side more than there own , when you are running week in week out with the same dogs in your class you get to know which need left/right hand
Do believe if owners are seeding there dogs unnecessary it should be looked into

Maybe someone could volunteer to watch the racing and make notes on seeded dogs

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sounds like a job for me dee. :thumbsup:

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Well done :thumbsup: full report needed after each meeting

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in that case tell gaz i accept his offer from a few weeks ago. :thumbsup:

 

[Tony Taylor]

There's a simple way of preventing owners unnessacerily seeding dogs. Disqualify any seeded dog that finishes out of posistion.

ie, if a dog is seeded right hand runner on the straights and is in orange jacket but, say, the dog in the black jacket finishes on it's right hand side then disqualify the dog in orange.

True right ( or left) hand runners will always finish on their side. Owners of dogs that don't need seeding won't then seed their dogs unessacerily since they run the risk of being disqualified when a true wide runner finishes wide of it.

 

[mutley]

seeding is a good thing in my opinion ) but shouldn't be abused :rant: it is for genuine outside runners left or right there are a few genuine racers who seed and a few who just dont want to be in middle :- "

 

[rob67]

Just wondered if greyhounds are 'seeded'.............I know they dont run on the straights but i wondered about the bends.

chris

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

Just wondered if greyhounds are 'seeded'.............I know they dont run on the straights but i wondered about the bends.
chris

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yes they are seeded infact there having the same debate on flappersdream at the moment

 

[rob67]

Just wondered if greyhounds are 'seeded'.............I know they dont run on the straights but i wondered about the bends.
chris

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yes they are seeded infact there having the same debate on flappersdream at the moment

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Who seeds them then graham? Is it the trainers, owners or NGRC? Sounds like a debate that has no one answer as ever (w00t)

 

[DavidH]

Just watched 2007 nnwrf bend champs and the worse wide runner is Chrystal bluethe worse railer is ballajura from what ive seen

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Dee could you please explain what you mean by worse ?/ just for us thick folk

do you mean they went for the side as soon as they left the traps ---/or was it actually on the bend----/ or exiting the last bend before coming down the straight or if none of these what?

steve

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whats ballajura getting pulled into, he rails and carrys a lot of speed through the bend therefore can not hold the rail and runs middle down the finish. think you should look at some of the moblie chicanes that are fast up and can not run the bend loads about,roddy has picked up more injurys when dogs check to go into the first bend due to not being true bend dogs

 

[sherry]

There's a simple way of preventing owners unnessacerily seeding dogs. Disqualify any seeded dog that finishes out of posistion.ie, if a dog is seeded right hand runner on the straights and is in orange jacket but, say, the dog in the black jacket finishes on it's right hand side then disqualify the dog in orange.

True right ( or left) hand runners will always finish on their side. Owners of dogs that don't need seeding won't then seed their dogs unessacerily since they run the risk of being disqualified when a true wide runner finishes wide of it.

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so in that case when i ran my young no limit NIKKI WHIZZ @ maltby i seeded her left as that is the side she favours although she isnt severe but she does favour the left hand side anyway i got the red box nikki whizz stayed straight in line with the red box but on the ball in his 1st race on the straights went severely left so therefore ended up on nikki whizz,s left hand side on the ball wasnt seeded. so even though my dog had stayed straight in line with the red box she wud b disqualified coz a dog that wasnt seeded ended up on her left hand side? :blink:

 

[sherry]

has anyone else noticed a left hand runner on the straights is normally a railer on the bends and a right hand runner a wide one on the bends? or is that just me? :- "

 

[DavidH]

has anyone else noticed a left hand runner on the straights is normally a railer on the bends and a right hand runner a wide one on the bends? or is that just me?  :- "

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our sadie is a right hand runner,and runs wide to middle round the bend, :thumbsup:

 

[Paws123]

blue goblin was a right hand runner on the straights but railed on the bends, but it was inside hare mostly when she raced

 

[jade scott]

When i was running my dog i was lucky that he didnt choose a side, he ran straight from whichever trap and he was a very bad bend dog so seeding him was a pointless task!

I think like Dee said you get to know what dogs are regularly in your weight group, and how they run, you know if you are in with an xtreme wide running dog e.g. Ballyso and Colorado, i dont think it would be to anybody's benifit for your dog to be on the wrong side of them, obviously handicap permitting.

I do think seeding is a good idea as it can help prevent spoiling races, but i think maybe it should be more closely monitored as some dogs do just 'favour' a side.

 

[wild whippies]

There's a simple way of preventing owners unnessacerily seeding dogs. Disqualify any seeded dog that finishes out of posistion.ie, if a dog is seeded right hand runner on the straights and is in orange jacket but, say, the dog in the black jacket finishes on it's right hand side then disqualify the dog in orange.

True right ( or left) hand runners will always finish on their side. Owners of dogs that don't need seeding won't then seed their dogs unessacerily since they run the risk of being disqualified when a true wide runner finishes wide of it.

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so in that case when i ran my young no limit NIKKI WHIZZ @ maltby i seeded her left as that is the side she favours although she isnt severe but she does favour the left hand side anyway i got the red box nikki whizz stayed straight in line with the red box but on the ball in his 1st race on the straights went severely left so therefore ended up on nikki whizz,s left hand side on the ball wasnt seeded. so even though my dog had stayed straight in line with the red box she wud b disqualified coz a dog that wasnt seeded ended up on her left hand side? :blink:

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Obviously if it was on the balls first race, the owners may well have had no insight into their dog favouring a side? If your lad ran straight though, wouldn't that mean he doesn't favour a side? :unsure:

To me I think it's difficult to identify a dogs inclination to seed until it's ran a few races and I think you've got to have some knowledge of the other dogs running with your own. I think evaluating your dogs performance is a damn sight easier on the bends because of photos and videos that we can all look back at but the straights isn't as easy to know.