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[DavidH]

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nothing has changed for years why give people stress with a open draw.seed your dog at the weigh in and let the organiziers get on with in peace as johng states and always has been .

 

[Fleesh]

nothing has changed for years why give people stress with a open draw.seed your dog at the weigh in and let the organiziers get on with in peace as johng states and always has been .

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Admittedly some people can get flustered with an open draw. However, having an open draw does not mean that members HAVE to write a programme out for themselves. I count myself lucky in that I can write and assymalate (sp) information quite quickly, however some member for what ever reasons are not as adept at processing and recording information at speed.

Perhaps a solution would be for the draw to be done in the bar etc. so that if members wished to oversee the draw they could watch it take place, the methods for selecting which seeded dog gains the inside/outside trap etc. and everything that takes place at programme making time. Of course this would be down to the Committee to decide if they were comfortable doing this. If it were me I would insist on "overseers" being quiet, not making comment on the draw, shouting out the draw to their mates etc. Then the Committee could go and have the programmes printed and the members would be satisfied that the draw was done in a fair manner.

Though I have to say, if (note IF) anyone is casting doubt on the honesty of our chosen Committee members, then maybe we should look into the matter as a whole .

 

[Karen-Coral]

I still can not see why numbers for draw can not be drawn at weigh in --all put into relevant classes

-then sorted lowest to highest or vice versa job done no need for any other draw and every one has picked out their own numbers-- even could get a volunteer to shout out number with corresponding dog/bitch first out seeded to get it chosen side-- if none in race seeded /no problems no need to have any /all just run from there traps they drew

for their dog/bitch ---so luck of draw will out--fair play at its best ---there for all to see--

-- applied with a little commonsense over and done with rather quickly --

steve

 

[Paws123]

I still can not see why numbers for draw can not be drawn at weigh in --all put into relevant classes
-then sorted lowest to highest or vice versa job done no need for any other draw and every one has picked out their own numbers-- even could get a volunteer to shout out number with corresponding dog/bitch first out seeded to get it chosen side--  if none in race seeded /no problems no need to have any /all just run from there traps they drew

for their dog/bitch ---so luck of draw will out--fair play at its best ---there for all to see--

-- applied with a little commonsense over and done with rather quickly --

steve

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because you wouldnt know at the beginning of race day how many dogs were in each class...some owners have 2 dogs in same weight group would end up in same race.. you would only be able to give the owner 2 numbers following each other.

 

[weathergirls]

think the way we did the draw on Sat is best all round it will run smoother in time after all its the way the NNWRF have allways done it except in public rather than in the office, it will go straight onto computer and then printed off no need for people to sit and write their own progs out again hopefully

Time wise I estimate probably an extra 15 minutes overall to start with lessening as we get into the swing of it

its LEISURE TIME anyhow whats the rush

 

[BWRA MEMBER]

nothing has changed for years why give people stress with a open draw.seed your dog at the weigh in and let the organiziers get on with in peace as johng states and always has been .

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It sounds to me like your picking the corn up again David may be the person/persons throwing it should answer members them selfs :thumbsup: members would respect them more.

What stress would this cause

The way i see it is people are questioning the committee's over the way

the draws are been done better to do the draw in public in-sead of members having doubts :thumbsup:

Over the past 2 years how many times have you been to a event and heard

people commenting on that the draws fixed , how comes there dogs always gets its

side.

JOHNG

waste of time you would be there all day

Wrong if it had been a few years ago then yes it would of

but not now printers are 4 times faster than they used to be

and highgate let you use there printers witch prints @ 100 ppm (pages per minute)

to my account 300 programs printed in 4 Min's max

Be interesting to see who comments on k9 on Sunday night about the draw, traps & seeding

 

[milly]

nothing has changed for years why give people stress with a open draw.seed your dog at the weigh in and let the organiziers get on with in peace as johng states and always has been .

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It sounds to me like your picking the corn up again David may be the person/persons throwing it should answer members them selfs :thumbsup: members would respect them more.

What stress would this cause

The way i see it is people are questioning the committee's over the way

the draws are been done better to do the draw in public in-sead of members having doubts :thumbsup:

Over the past 2 years how many times have you been to a event and heard

people commenting on that the draws fixed , how comes there dogs always gets its

side.

JOHNG

waste of time you would be there all day

Wrong if it had been a few years ago then yes it would of

but not now printers are 4 times faster than they used to be

and highgate let you use there printers witch prints @ 100 ppm (pages per minute)

to my account 300 programs printed in 4 Min's max

Be interesting to see who comments on k9 on Sunday night about the draw, traps & seeding

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You're well informed about the Highgates printer :lol: you should turn up at our saturday nights racing and do our program's for us :lol: by the way, your geography not very good :lol:

 

[Paws123]

nothing has changed for years why give people stress with a open draw.seed your dog at the weigh in and let the organiziers get on with in peace as johng states and always has been .

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It sounds to me like your picking the corn up again David may be the person/persons throwing it should answer members them selfs :thumbsup: members would respect them more.

What stress would this cause

The way i see it is people are questioning the committee's over the way

the draws are been done better to do the draw in public in-sead of members having doubts :thumbsup:

Over the past 2 years how many times have you been to a event and heard

people commenting on that the draws fixed , how comes there dogs always gets its

side.

JOHNG

waste of time you would be there all day

Wrong if it had been a few years ago then yes it would of

but not now printers are 4 times faster than they used to be

and highgate let you use there printers witch prints @ 100 ppm (pages per minute)

to my account 300 programs printed in 4 Min's max

Be interesting to see who comments on k9 on Sunday night about the draw, traps & seeding

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You're well informed about the Highgates printer :lol: you should turn up at our saturday nights racing and do our program's for us :lol: by the way, your geography not very good :lol:

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Would think it prints faster than that our own fed little printer does about 80 sheets a minute

 

[BWRA MEMBER]

nothing has changed for years why give people stress with a open draw.seed your dog at the weigh in and let the organiziers get on with in peace as johng states and always has been .

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It sounds to me like your picking the corn up again David may be the person/persons throwing it should answer members them selfs :thumbsup: members would respect them more.

What stress would this cause

The way i see it is people are questioning the committee's over the way

the draws are been done better to do the draw in public in-sead of members having doubts :thumbsup:

Over the past 2 years how many times have you been to a event and heard

people commenting on that the draws fixed , how comes there dogs always gets its

side.

JOHNG

waste of time you would be there all day

Wrong if it had been a few years ago then yes it would of

but not now printers are 4 times faster than they used to be

and highgate let you use there printers witch prints @ 100 ppm (pages per minute)

to my account 300 programs printed in 4 Min's max

Be interesting to see who comments on k9 on Sunday night about the draw, traps & seeding

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You're well informed about the Highgates printer :lol: you should turn up at our saturday nights racing and do our program's for us :lol: by the way, your geography not very good :lol:

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Would think it prints faster than that our own fed little printer does about 80 sheets a minute

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Whos the Sharpest pencil in the box?

 

[milly]

nothing has changed for years why give people stress with a open draw.seed your dog at the weigh in and let the organiziers get on with in peace as johng states and always has been .

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It sounds to me like your picking the corn up again David may be the person/persons throwing it should answer members them selfs :thumbsup: members would respect them more.

What stress would this cause

The way i see it is people are questioning the committee's over the way

the draws are been done better to do the draw in public in-sead of members having doubts :thumbsup:

Over the past 2 years how many times have you been to a event and heard

people commenting on that the draws fixed , how comes there dogs always gets its

side.

JOHNG

waste of time you would be there all day

Wrong if it had been a few years ago then yes it would of

but not now printers are 4 times faster than they used to be

and highgate let you use there printers witch prints @ 100 ppm (pages per minute)

to my account 300 programs printed in 4 Min's max

Be interesting to see who comments on k9 on Sunday night about the draw, traps & seeding

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You're well informed about the Highgates printer :lol: you should turn up at our saturday nights racing and do our program's for us :lol: by the way, your geography not very good :lol:

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Would think it prints faster than that our own fed little printer does about 80 sheets a minute

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Whos the Sharpest pencil in the box?

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:- " :- "

 

[sadieandco]

I still can not see why numbers for draw can not be drawn at weigh in --all put into relevant classes
-then sorted lowest to highest or vice versa job done no need for any other draw and every one has picked out their own numbers-- even could get a volunteer to shout out number with corresponding dog/bitch first out seeded to get it chosen side--  if none in race seeded /no problems no need to have any /all just run from there traps they drew

for their dog/bitch ---so luck of draw will out--fair play at its best ---there for all to see--

-- applied with a little commonsense over and done with rather quickly --

steve

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because you wouldnt know at the beginning of race day how many dogs were in each class...some owners have 2 dogs in same weight group would end up in same race.. you would only be able to give the owner 2 numbers following each other.

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20 dogs i would say be well over max dogs in each class.

Numbers 1-20 on page (20 numbers in bag) draw out number dogs name at side of number, just go down sheet first four heat 1, 2nd 4 heat 2 etc, again if seedings are there first on sheet has the priority for traps. If an owner has more than 1 dog in class chances of them drawing consecutive number not too probable if they did just do as you would in a draw take the dog below that could go in race and change !! (or has that just buggered up luck of the draw by changing one although we do separate owners dogs anyway :blink: )

I think all these things have been tried and tested over time and i do appreciate both sides of the coin some people would be far happier seeing or hearing at least the draw done publicy, but then if you are a worker then sometimes its very difficult to concentrate with all thats going on around. To be fair i have to say enjoyed the draw being done in public and writing my own programme last week stops you being bored whilst waiting for programmes to come out but the noise factor and hearing what is being read out can be difficult at times. So the idea of the draw being done in public with someone typing in as its drawn seems a sensible idea if and when it can be done, templates all set up on laptops only need dogs names typed in easy and if any of you are like Elise and can assimilate information quickly you can write your own and be sorting your dogs sooner :thumbsup:

 

[JOHNG]

nothing has changed for years why give people stress with a open draw.seed your dog at the weigh in and let the organiziers get on with in peace as johng states and always has been .

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It sounds to me like your picking the corn up again David may be the person/persons throwing it should answer members them selfs :thumbsup: members would respect them more.

What stress would this cause

The way i see it is people are questioning the committee's over the way

the draws are been done better to do the draw in public in-sead of members having doubts :thumbsup:

Over the past 2 years how many times have you been to a event and heard

people commenting on that the draws fixed , how comes there dogs always gets its

side.

JOHNG

waste of time you would be there all day

Wrong if it had been a few years ago then yes it would of

but not now printers are 4 times faster than they used to be

and highgate let you use there printers witch prints @ 100 ppm (pages per minute)

to my account 300 programs printed in 4 Min's max

Be interesting to see who comments on k9 on Sunday night about the draw, traps & seeding

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You're well informed about the Highgates printer :lol: you should turn up at our saturday nights racing and do our program's for us :lol: by the way, your geography not very good :lol:

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Would think it prints faster than that our own fed little printer does about 80 sheets a minute

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Whos the Sharpest pencil in the box?

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another one who as plenty to say but won't put his/her identity to the posts

 

[sadieandco]

Whos the Sharpest pencil in the box?

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Good point there always need a spare pencil in case lead breaks or goes blunt - being an ex shorthand typist first rule of dictation spare pencil :thumbsup:

 

[rob67]

Perhaps the idea of an open draw is a good idea, maybe the offer of the laptop and printer are also good ideas, maybe not at a championship event for the first time tho. I presume the BWRA reps have access to the BWRA committee, why dont those members concerned about the draw ask their reps to speak with the committee about draw before sun if people are so concerned about these championships. I dont have a problem with change but in this case i think the BWRA committee should be allowed to get on with the task in hand and if people feel the need, have reps there to observe the draw, not to suggest how to do it.

chris.

 

[JOHNG]

Perhaps the idea of an open draw is a good idea, maybe the offer of the laptop and printer are also good ideas, maybe not at a championship event for the first time tho. I presume the BWRA reps have access to the BWRA committee, why dont those members concerned about the draw ask their reps to speak with the committee about draw before sun if people are so concerned about these championships. I dont have a problem with change but in this case i think the BWRA committee should be allowed to get on with the task in hand and if people feel the need, have reps there to observe the draw, not to suggest how to do it.
chris.

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well said chris

to many people have a lot to say on telling the committee's on what & how to run the open's but are not willing to do the job themselves ,just be greatfull these people are willing to the job, or in my opinion there might be 1or 2 vacancies on either committee

 

[Paws123]

I still can not see why numbers for draw can not be drawn at weigh in --all put into relevant classes
-then sorted lowest to highest or vice versa job done no need for any other draw and every one has picked out their own numbers-- even could get a volunteer to shout out number with corresponding dog/bitch first out seeded to get it chosen side--  if none in race seeded /no problems no need to have any /all just run from there traps they drew

for their dog/bitch ---so luck of draw will out--fair play at its best ---there for all to see--

-- applied with a little commonsense over and done with rather quickly --

steve

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because you wouldnt know at the beginning of race day how many dogs were in each class...some owners have 2 dogs in same weight group would end up in same race.. you would only be able to give the owner 2 numbers following each other.

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20 dogs i would say be well over max dogs in each class.

Numbers 1-20 on page (20 numbers in bag) draw out number dogs name at side of number, just go down sheet first four heat 1, 2nd 4 heat 2 etc, again if seedings are there first on sheet has the priority for traps. If an owner has more than 1 dog in class chances of them drawing consecutive number not too probable if they did just do as you would in a draw take the dog below that could go in race and change !! (or has that just buggered up luck of the draw by changing one although we do separate owners dogs anyway :blink: )

I think all these things have been tried and tested over time and i do appreciate both sides of the coin some people would be far happier seeing or hearing at least the draw done publicy, but then if you are a worker then sometimes its very difficult to concentrate with all thats going on around. To be fair i have to say enjoyed the draw being done in public and writing my own programme last week stops you being bored whilst waiting for programmes to come out but the noise factor and hearing what is being read out can be difficult at times. So the idea of the draw being done in public with someone typing in as its drawn seems a sensible idea if and when it can be done, templates all set up on laptops only need dogs names typed in easy and if any of you are like Elise and can assimilate information quickly you can write your own and be sorting your dogs sooner :thumbsup:

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Durrr i get what you are saying now give number per class not per full entry's lol

 

[Paws123]

Perhaps the idea of an open draw is a good idea, maybe the offer of the laptop and printer are also good ideas, maybe not at a championship event for the first time tho. I presume the BWRA reps have access to the BWRA committee, why dont those members concerned about the draw ask their reps to speak with the committee about draw before sun if people are so concerned about these championships. I dont have a problem with change but in this case i think the BWRA committee should be allowed to get on with the task in hand and if people feel the need, have reps there to observe the draw, not to suggest how to do it.
chris.

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well said chris

to many people have a lot to say on telling the committee's on what & how to run the open's but are not willing to do the job themselves ,just be greatfull these people are willing to the job, or in my opinion there might be 1or 2 vacancies on either committee

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Have to agree ..

Although this topic started off on good footing its now going off topic

Who mentioned public draws .. i don't know how other committee members are seeing it , but i have to say i am starting to wonder if members are questioning my honesty again ...had this at the end of last year with Com's dogs weights

But as i have said i have no problem with doing open draws when possible as long as theres no noise , its not the easies task to do in the first place

 

[jasper.]

WHY DONT ALL THE SC RACERS PREE ENTER NOW, THEN WE CAN HAVE THE DRAW OUTCOME SENT TO US... THIS WILL SAVE THE STRESS ON THE DAY, AND TIME TOO...

E,G

NO LIMIT

R.?

B......

W....

B. ....

O. ....

HEAT 2

R.?

B. ...

W. ...

B. ....

O. ...

 

[Karen-Coral]

thanyou Sadie/Kim or karen for putting it into braille for Dee to understand ---lol

bet its as clear as mud now ---

steve

 

[milly]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

WHY DONT ALL THE SC RACERS PREE ENTER NOW, THEN WE CAN HAVE THE DRAW OUTCOME SENT TO US... THIS WILL SAVE THE STRESS ON THE DAY, AND TIME TOO...
E,G

NO LIMIT

R.?

B......

W....

B. ....

O. ....

HEAT 2

R.?

B. ...

W. ...

B. ....

O. ...

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:lol: :lol: :thumbsup: