i own litter brothers with sooty sam lines and also an 8 and half year old bitch who was one of the last litters from lord of the knight before he died my daughter also owns a sooty sam line bitch all of these are no bigger than 20 tts i have noticed recently that sooty sam line pups are getting a lot bigger though and my dog when bred from always throws a 22- 23 " pup even when lined to sooty sam lined bitches also small all our s race and do very well but this line was origanly bred for working and it does it very well too