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[05whippet]

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Yes that's right I didnt say ALL or SOME - I was obviously talking about the type of place Caroline had referred to and you choose to put words in my mouth (w00t) There are some good pet shops that give good advice, but in my experience they are few and far between.

I know from going out to so called breeders of Budgies,rabbits & hamsters etc to pick up [SIZE=14pt]and buy [/SIZE]their surplus that they either don't want or can't sell, that the conditions that some of the animals were in and how they were kept was not how I would keep any animal nor would the Pet Shop either!! And there are an awful lot of breeders of small animals that are in it solely for the profit and could'nt care less what happens to the poor animal either!!! Most good Pet Shops also offer a follow up system and are always on hand for advice,I wonder how many breeders of hamsters or rabbits are too??

PS I don't know what sort of Pet Shops that you have where you live but I have NEVER been in a Pet Shop that does'nt sell animals. :blink:

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You bought animals from poor conditions to sell in your pet shop?

If the public went to these bad breeders they may not buy from them having seen the conditions, and this would hopefully encourage them to brush up their act. Admittedly some would still buy as they would feel that they were 'rescuing' them.

All of the reputable rabbit breeders that I know will be on hand for advice for the rest of the rabbit's life and will take it back if there is a change in circumstance, and the rabbits go away with a care sheet. I dont know any hamster breeders so can't comment at all.

The only pet shops that I can think of that sells animals near me is Pets at Home and a small garden centre - the rest only sell food and toys etc.

Getting back to the puppies - perhaps trading standards would be interested if they thought the puppies were being sold with false pedigree's or something similar? I wouldnt be suprised if these poor puppies were from puppy farms How about holding a demonstration outside the store? :- "

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No Rae!! Sorry my fault, maybe I never worded that correctly :b We did go out to people who rang us saying that they had some hamsters rabbits etc and we would go out and have a look and if they were in poor conditions we DID NOT buy them,I was only pointing out that there are people out there as I am sure you are aware of that quite willingly make a buck out of anything..they may as well be dealing in used cars!! the fact that it is a live animal makes no difference! All I am saying is that from my point of view and I can only talk about the Pet Shop that I ran,we had very good staff who knew a lot about what they were selling.Obviously England is different then to N.I as we still have a lot of rabbit breeders and other small animal breeders who advertise in the local press and will happily sell you a rabbit etc with no thought to how it will be looked after,I hasten to add that there are still good breeders who ARE willing to offer after care etc but they are few and far between.And the majority of our Pet Shops still do sell small animals altho a lot of them have been put of business by Jollyes and PAH.Out of curiosity does your Jollyes over there not sell small animals either??

And I never put words into your mouth Rae?? I feel that you are just looking to turn this into an argument,which I am not prepared to get into,I think we should just leave it here don't you and agree to differ on this.

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Yes - it's a huge subject and an emotive one. I'm not looking for an argument o

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I agree VERY emotive!! but at least we all have our hearts in the right place and just want what is best for the animals! :huggles:

 

[jools]

Couldn't someone make a quick phone call to the relevant authority and ask them to check that the licensing is correct for this garden centre to sell puppies?

 

[Janimal]

There are two local pet shops to me - and both of them dont sell animals - they only sell animal supplies.

They do have adverts in the windows for Dog Breeders, Rabbit breeders etc - this is much more acceptable, in my opinion.

 

[beaubeau]

There are two local pet shops to me - and both of them dont sell animals - they only sell animal supplies.
They do have adverts in the windows for Dog Breeders, Rabbit breeders etc - this is much more acceptable, in my opinion.

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Pet shops and disreputable breeders (which can include) Kennel owners, or private individuals buying in puppies and selling from home i.e third parties, will sell to anyone at any time.

This trade is all about the 'cute' factor. Unsold puppies clutter up the shop/premises. This all costs the Pet Shop License Holder - they rely on a quick turnover which keeps the profits high.

We are constantly being told by local councils up and down the country that they can no longer keep pace with the ever-growing number of strays in our towns and cities.

If you visit a dog pound these days you might be surprised just how many pure bred dogs there are to be found there, along with first generation crosses as well as puppies.

Many pure bred dogs are there because their owner bought them on IMPULSE and did not go into any detail or thought about what that particular breed required.

Some of these dogs are purchased from the high street - the pet shop outlets. The philosophy is that you walk in off the street and walk out with your new pet. Every breed is or has been on sale in these places. There is also the promise that if they have not got what you want they will acquire it for you.

All the animals sold from these outlets come from Puppy Farms. The shop will tell you, "We don't buy from Puppy Farms. All our dogs are bred exclusively for us!" Yes, they are. It's called a Puppy Farm!

In May '99 the Breeding and Sale of Dogs (Welfare) Bill had its final reading. It then had to go to the House of Lords for their say on how each of the clauses will be met and carried out by local authorities. (this has since become an Act and puppy farming is getting more wide spread - not less) comment added 2004

It could have, and should have, wiped out Puppy Farming full stop. Instead it has delivered pathetic measures that any puppy farmer with half a brain will find ways around (and is finding ways round 2004). Puppy farming is bigger then ever and more and more animals are suffering.

It is the Local Authorities who are left to 'police and monitor' the pet shops selling animals. The new Bill will give them the power to check where the puppies were bred, that the puppy is no less than eight weeks old when its arrives at the shop and that all puppies are wearing an identification collar and tag relating to when and where they were born. The puppies must also have been seen and given a clean bill of health by a Vet.

When the pet shop license comes up for renewal then a detailed inspection can be called for before granting the license - again by a veterinary surgeon or practitioner.

There are also regulations regarding the breeding bitches:-

no bitch to be bred from under the age of one;

and no breeding bitch to have more than six litters in her lifetime.

A little long but interesting. Maybe tell your local rescue centre and see what they say about it !!

This is from HOPE http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/hopeuk/what_is_hope_you.htm

 

[beaubeau]

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/puppy_alert/petshops.htm

not sure if this link will work :rant:

 

[05whippet]

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/puppy_alert/petshops.htm
not sure if this link will work    :rant:

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God,according to that list..London seems VERY popular for Pet Shops selling pups.

I honestly did'nt think that Pet Shops did that anymore? I thought it had all stopped,shows how uninformed I am.