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As far as my own two are concerned they have no monetary value to me whatsoever, the last time I thought of them as an amount of money was the day I paid for them.  If, God forbid I ever had to re-home them it would be because of a catastrophic event and something I could not remedy , my only concern would be their welfare.  Should anything happen to me their futures are secure anyway. 
Jenny

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Completely agree with you. x

 

[saraquele]

no living soul should think of there pet in monatry value , after all you dont with your kids .

my point of view is , just say you bought a pup off a breeder for say £400 ,

then through no fault of anyone the pup didnt fit in and went back to breeder .

its not the breeders fault so why should the breeder lose out by giving the money back , but IF its not the new owners fault then why should they lose out too ?

i dont think anyone should expect there full money back but if the pup was rehomed again then i think the breeder should re imburse the person SOME of the money after they recieved the second payment for the same pup ?

as stated earlier in a post after the breeders fees etc are taken out.

 

[saraquele]

Saraquele, thanks for your PM, I'm sorry that you've been PM'ing and had no response when the member has been online. I do sincerely hope the both of you can resolve your issues but preferably in private.
( I chose to reply on the forum rather than via PM as I felt your attempts to contact should be noted along with the fact you've had no response) I don't want anyone to be seen in a bad light here and I sincerely wish the two of you can recoup your friendship rather than fall out on an open forum.

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I'm just going to say summat here. How odd that the member has been online when she hasn't had an internet connection for some months now. So there is no point whatsoever in pm'ing her or writing anything about her on here. She can't read it.

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sorry i must be mistaken , i thought on her profile she was on on the 13th aug ??

 

[kim & Tilly]

no living soul should think of there pet in monatry value , after all you dont with your kids .
my point of view is , just say you bought a pup off a breeder for say £400 ,

then through no fault of anyone the pup didnt fit in and went back to breeder .

its not the breeders fault so why should the breeder lose out by giving the money back , but IF  its not the new owners fault then why should they lose out too ?

i dont think anyone should expect there full money back but if the pup was rehomed again then i think the breeder should re imburse the person  SOME  of the money after they recieved the second payment for the same pup ?

as stated earlier in a post after the breeders fees etc are taken out.

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I honestly dont think of my dogs in monetory value....

But, i couldnt afford to lose £400 if i returned a pup to the breeder, i wouldnt expect all the money back. ( guess that would depend on how long i had the pup, and what was wrong)

If the breeder was going to sell her on, or knew of a person who wanted a pup and passed their name on, then i would expect to get the money they paid, less a bit for the breeder back

Other wise why would i return the pup to the breeder in the first place, if i could find the pup a good home by myself??

If you returned a pup to a breeder would they then pass the pup on without charge????

 

[beaker]

ive always offered to take dogs i have bred back at ANY time during their lives,regardless of whether they are 14 weeks or 14 years, they have either lived out their days with me or i have found them good loving homes, i have never charged again for a pup.

i always offer something for the return of my dogs, the owners have accepted, or not depending on how £ mercenary they are.

there is a dog i bred a few years ago that i've been trying to get back as he is not in a good situation, i've offered 3 times the price i sold him for and if i ever got him back my one and only priority would be to find him a good home, i wouldn't dream of asking money for him... i helped him into this world and to me he is my responsibility till the day he dies

 

[saraquele]

ive always offered to take dogs i have bred back at ANY time during their lives,regardless of whether they are 14 weeks or 14 years, they have either lived out their days with me or i have found them good loving homes, i have never charged again for a pup.
i always offer something for the return of my dogs, the owners have accepted, or not depending on how £ mercenary they are.

there is a dog i bred a few years ago that i've been trying to get back as he is not in a good situation, i've offered 3 times the price i sold him for and if i ever got him back my one and only priority would be to find him a good home, i wouldn't dream of asking money for him... i helped him into this world and to me he is my responsibility till the day he dies

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the last sentence sums it ALL up :wub: :wub: :wub:

 

[Juley]

but what if you have paid out a large sum of money...
i paid £375 for tilly and £400 for bean...

what if it didnt work out between tilly and bean, why should i lose out £400 through no fault of my own. I would expect the next owner to pay as much as i did, or just a little less.

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Very mercenary!!!

Any breeder worth their salt should take a dog back and mine all go with a contract to say they MUST be returned to me. There is no hard and fast rule about refunds and each person must make their own mind up as to that. Also you would have to take into account the age/condition (both mental and physical) of the dog that is being returned, plus the reason.

Unfortunately, the older puppies get and lose their ahhhhhhhhhh value, they also lose their monetary value. So they certainly cannot be re-homed for their full 8 week old market value, not that I would want to sell a dog 'again' for full price anyway but, conversely, neither would I give a dog away. If people cannot afford to pay for a dog, they cannot afford its upkeep IMO.

People who do not breed seem to think that those who do make vast profits from selling puppies ..................... if only!! If I can cover my costs for producing that litter plus keep all my other dogs for a month or so, if everything went swimmily with the litter, I would consider myself very lucky!!

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I agree with this post completely. Personally, mine ( first litter I have bred) all went on a contract saying they MUST come back to me on a sliding scale of refund, depending on age. I am committed to the litter for their entire lifetime. Obviously, if the dog was going to a much loved other member of the family, that would be fine, providing we had the same written agreement. I agree that to some people the word FREE is an incentive to just have the dog for that reason and usually somebody would expect to pay something for the dog. Obviously, the home is by far the most important consideration, especially if the first home hasn't worked out. Hopefully the pup will get a lovely new home and the current owner will think very carefully before taking on another pup. Just my opinion.

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I think the important thing about a contract is that it demonstrates some level of trust between the breeder and new owner. Any buyer worth their salt would not have a problem signing a contract. When i bought Frankie from Juley the fact that she wanted me to sign was an indication that she was a decent breeder who cared about the puppies.

However, i think that we'd find that 'contracts' are not really worth anything in the eyes of the law - they just demonstrate the intentions of both parties. Let's face it, the breeder would not sell to the new owner if they thought for one second that the contract would not be honoured. It's all about trust, i don't think you would have any argument in law if someone sold the dog on without permission.

If a dog is returned to the breeder, i think a fair system would be to return any money that is recouped if the dog is rehomed - less any costs incurred in the mean time. I think it would be completely unreasonable to expect to get £450 back for a 3 year old dog for example. If the dog was not suitable to be rehomed, due to illness or injury for example, then i don't think the breeder should return any money. However, i think it would be very poor for someone to return a dog for these reasons.

I bought my two to show. However, first and foremost they are family pets who are very spoilt and loved. If they never did a thing in the show ring they'd stay here for life anyway. If and when i decide to have a litter, i would expect the same for my puppies. I would think that for this sort of reason some breeders prefer to sell their puppies to pet homes despite any amount of show potential.

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Pet homes 99% of the time for me , I think you can count on the fingers of one hand how many pups I have sold for showing

Richees case was a good one , went with 2 :b came back with one 4 weeks later , :rant: full refund , no hassle from me and now hes in a super pet home :huggles:

Many years ago I had a 9 year old back through marraige breakup , no money was offered and I rehomed him for free too . What ever is in the dogs best interest .

Contracts to return to breeder arnt worth the paper they are written on . I used to get mine to sign , but Caras owner passed her on when he emigrated :rant: and it was only a pure fluke that I managed to buy her back and now know where she is :sweating:

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I had a contract, after a lot of thought, because I wanted both parties to know that the pup/adult would always have a home here if necessary. I offered a sliding scale of refund as I didn't want anyone to feel that if it didn't work out early on they would lose out financially or that I would have wanted to re-sell their pup for my own gain. I also chose people who I felt were really committed to the pup.

Of the two being shown, one went as a pet who was later shown as he showed potential and his mum became interested and the other mum and I had a conversation about what would happen if he couldn't be shown at a later date. BOTH boys are much loved family members first and "show dogs" second.

I think the most important thing is the welfare and happiness of the dog and if the current owner has to re-home and has some-one in mind that is suitable then fine, BUT I feel with a contract, hopefully they will at least give me a say in the matter and let me know where the dog is. For me, the contract was mostly about putting in writing my committment to being prepard to take the dog back at any age. J

 

[EJW]

It's just not that simple.  Personally I wouldn't be thinking that I should get back my purchase price.  I don't think of dogs in that way as goods.  I personally wouldn't ask for any money back.

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I agre with you!

Fortunately I've never had to return a puppy! If I did it would be as a last resort & I certainly would not expect a refund!

 

[*Lesley*]

I Know breeders like dogs to come back to them, and I think that is a good thing if needed but if the worse happened and I had to rehome any of mine I would want to rehome them myself, I know them better than anyone else so I think I would be the best person to decide which type of home and environment they would be best suited to

If I had to rehome my husband then I would send him straight back to the breeder and I'd have to give her money cos I know for a fact she wouldn't want him :lol: :- " :teehee:

 

[kim & Tilly]

It's just not that simple.  Personally I wouldn't be thinking that I should get back my purchase price.  I don't think of dogs in that way as goods.  I personally wouldn't ask for any money back.

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I agre with you!

Fortunately I've never had to return a puppy! If I did it would be as a last resort & I certainly would not expect a refund!

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Of course it would be as a last resort but could you really afford to throw away hundreds of pounds.....

(god i sound like a money grabbing moo bag)

 

[Juley]

I Know breeders like dogs to come back to them, and I think that is a good thing if needed but if the worse happened and I had to rehome any of mine I would want to rehome them myself, I know them better than anyone else so I think I would be the best person to decide which type of home and environment they would be best suited to :D
If I had to rehome my husband then I would send him straight back to the breeder and I'd have to give her money cos I know for a fact she wouldn't want him :lol:   :- "  :teehee:

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I totally understand that and I would feel the same about mine, however, with the ones I bred, I would like to know where they were and I would like the owner to know that me having them back was an option. :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

I Know breeders like dogs to come back to them, and I think that is a good thing if needed but if the worse happened and I had to rehome any of mine I would want to rehome them myself, I know them better than anyone else so I think I would be the best person to decide which type of home and environment they would be best suited to :D
If I had to rehome my husband then I would send him straight back to the breeder and I'd have to give her money cos I know for a fact she wouldn't want him :lol:    :- "  :teehee:

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I totally understand that and I would feel the same about mine, however, with the ones I bred, I would like to know where they were and I would like the owner to know that me having them back was an option. :thumbsup:

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I agree Julie and I think it good that breeders offer that, I don't doubt that they would be found good homes going back to the breeder, it's just that I think I would the best person to do it for mine, not that I'm ever planning to god forbid :blink: I cried like a baby after fostering Meg and Bracken for 3 days when they went so I dont think I'm cut out for breeding anyway not if I have to home the puppies :b obviously some people wouldn't think they were the best people to find new homes and would be glad of the breeders help :thumbsup:

 

[jok]

I Know breeders like dogs to come back to them, and I think that is a good thing if needed but if the worse happened and I had to rehome any of mine I would want to rehome them myself, I know them better than anyone else so I think I would be the best person to decide which type of home and environment they would be best suited to :D
If I had to rehome my husband then I would send him straight back to the breeder and I'd have to give her money cos I know for a fact she wouldn't want him :lol:    :- "  :teehee:

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I totally understand that and I would feel the same about mine, however, with the ones I bred, I would like to know where they were and I would like the owner to know that me having them back was an option. :thumbsup:

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As i said in my first post on this topic, i think it is reassuring to the buyer to know that the breeder is committed to the future of the pup. Juley had a contract and when i got Holly, Jackie had it written on the 'instructions' that came with her. Therefore, two different ways but both demonstrated to me that they cared about the pups and wanted them to be returned to them should anything happen.

The sad fact is that some breeders wouldn't care less where the dog got passed onto should anything go wrong. We are largely assuming that the breeder would take the dog back. Unfortunately not everyone is as good as the breeders who have posted on this thread.

We've had people come on K9 wanting to rehome a dog who have been too frightened to contact the breeder. After i bought my Chloe i never heard from her breeder again, despite giving all our details, e-mails etc. Lived and learnt from that

 

[wild whippies]

Of course it would be as a last resort but could you really afford to throw away hundreds of pounds.....

In all honesty yes, if you commit to having a dog you are in my eyes willing to 'throw away' hundreds if not thousands of pounds. Hell if it doesn't work out and you take the puppy back and your out of pocket by £500 I think you've probably made a bloody good saving in the long run. (w00t)

To me when you buy a puppy, you aren't really buying a puppy in all technicality. To me your paying for the time and effort that the breeder has put into the litter, the fact you pay for the dog is a mere confirmation that you value the puppy's upbringing and are financially viable to it's upkeep.

I've given pups away to individuals who I know personally for the reason I know them well enough and I know for fact that they will value that puppy. A stranger is another matter and it's a matter of putting your money where your mouth is.

The devotion and love a dog gives is priceless. I suppose the closest thing that comes to it is the love of a partner but hey when our relationships don't work out we don't ask for our money back. We move on and invest into the next relationship and put it all down to experience.

 

[kim & Tilly]

Of course it would be as a last resort but could you really afford to throw away hundreds of pounds.....

In all honesty yes, if you commit to having a dog you are in my eyes willing to 'throw away' hundreds if not thousands of pounds. Hell if it doesn't work out and you take the puppy back and your out of pocket by £500 I think you've probably made a bloody good saving in the long run. (w00t)

To me when you buy a puppy, you aren't really buying a puppy in all technicality. To me your paying for the time and effort that the breeder has put into the litter, the fact you pay for the dog is a mere confirmation that you value the puppy's upbringing and are financially viable to it's upkeep.

I've given pups away to individuals who I know personally for the reason I know them well enough and I know for fact that they will value that puppy. A stranger is another matter and it's a matter of putting your money where your mouth is.

The devotion and love a dog gives is priceless. I suppose the closest thing that comes to it is the love of a partner but hey when our relationships don't work out we don't ask for our money back. We move on and invest into the next relationship and put it all down to experience.

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I paid out £375 and £400 for each of mine but in reality i have paid over £1000 so far with insurance/jabs/toys/food/coats/beds etc etc etc and will continue to pay out for as long as they are here.

But i still couldnt lose £400 without anything to show for it....

 

[*Lesley*]

I Know breeders like dogs to come back to them, and I think that is a good thing if needed but if the worse happened and I had to rehome any of mine I would want to rehome them myself, I know them better than anyone else so I think I would be the best person to decide which type of home and environment they would be best suited to :D
If I had to rehome my husband then I would send him straight back to the breeder and I'd have to give her money cos I know for a fact she wouldn't want him :lol:    :- "  :teehee:

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I totally understand that and I would feel the same about mine, however, with the ones I bred, I would like to know where they were and I would like the owner to know that me having them back was an option. :thumbsup:

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As i said in my first post on this topic, i think it is reassuring to the buyer to know that the breeder is committed to the future of the pup. Juley had a contract and when i got Holly, Jackie had it written on the 'instructions' that came with her. Therefore, two different ways but both demonstrated to me that they cared about the pups and wanted them to be returned to them should anything happen.

The sad fact is that some breeders wouldn't care less where the dog got passed onto should anything go wrong. We are largely assuming that the breeder would take the dog back. Unfortunately not everyone is as good as the breeders who have posted on this thread.

We've had people come on K9 wanting to rehome a dog who have been too frightened to contact the breeder. After i bought my Chloe i never heard from her breeder again, despite giving all our details, e-mails etc. Lived and learnt from that

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I agree with that too Jok I have had no contact with Callie and Siennas breeder and would not contact them after all this time,although I can't seem to shake lampy off :- " :teehee: on a serious note though I would be more than happy for Spry to go back to lampy should circumstances force it, but that would be the place I would rehome her to anyway because I'm pretty sure he would take care of her for me :huggles:

In fact I'd send them all to Lampys

 

[*Lesley*]

I don't think about what I paid for mine once it's paid, and I've got my puppy :wub: :wub:

I think what you pay for them is pretty cheap compared to what they cost you once you have them (w00t) :lol:

 

[kim & Tilly]

I seem to be coming over all wrong so im going to stop posting on this one :- "

 

[wild whippies]

I think what you pay for them is pretty cheap compared to what they cost you once you have them (w00t)   :lol:

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Exactly and technically your bank manager would see you had nothing to show for it but we know different!! :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

I think what you pay for them is pretty cheap compared to what they cost you once you have them (w00t)   :lol:

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Exactly and technically your bank manager would see you had nothing to show for it but we know different!! :thumbsup:

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My vet and his bank manager definatley do :lol: