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[wild whippies]

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I seem to be coming over all wrong so im going to stop posting on this one :- "

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No Kim your raising a good point and one that you had the courage to speak out with. In fairness if you didn't post then people wouldn't see breeders opinions on this.

 

[BeeJay]

I think what you pay for them is pretty cheap compared to what they cost you once you have them (w00t)   :lol:

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Exactly and technically your bank manager would see you had nothing to show for it but we know different!! :thumbsup:

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Agreeing with both of you. :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

I seem to be coming over all wrong so im going to stop posting on this one :- "

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You would be well within your rights to sell yours if you wanted Kim because they are your dogs and it would be your choice I don't think anyone would disagree with that, it's just that not everyone would thats all, we're all different, I suppose when I first got mine I would have wanted to get some of my money back but it's a lot more complcated than that now, Iwould be so gutted I dont think I would think about it

 

[JAX]

On the defence of other breeders , I email , and send birthday :- " cards to all of my pups for at least 3 years :wacko: and christmas cards every year.

Some I get no `feedback` at all but I asume /hope that all is well and they are just too busy enjoying their whippets from me . One lady who had one of Libbees brothers emailed me out of the blue asking about weight etc, all is well , she just never felt she need ed to be in constant touch with me , but the good thing is that she knows where I am should she need me :huggles:

 

[kim & Tilly]

I seem to be coming over all wrong so im going to stop posting on this one :- "

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You would be well within your rights to sell yours if you wanted Kim because they are your dogs and it would be your choice I don't think anyone would disagree with that, it's just that not everyone would thats all, we're all different, I suppose when I first got mine I would have wanted to get some of my money back but it's a lot more complcated than that now, Iwould be so gutted I dont think I would think about it

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There is no way i would pass one of my dogs on now, they are part of the family and any faults they have are my fault......im reading Jan Fennell at the mo...I will work hard with my dogs and make sure i have trained them.

I guess im talking more in the first one /two weeks of getting a pup...

 

[Juley]

I can see your point Kim, which is why I had a sliding scale of refund as I didn't want a young pup "sold on" without my knowledge. If the dog came back later and I re-homed, then I would pass on any money less any expenses. If a dog came back at a later stage, I may well feel that I would have to keep him ( all the rest of the litter were male (w00t) ). As I would be taking on the Vet bills and care of the dog for his remaining years I wouldn't expect to have to give a refund as well. Its good to share opinions.

Edited to add that I do feel that sometimes to charge a small amount for an older dog means the new owner has somehow shown a real committment to that dog, not just beacuse its free. Does that make sense?

 

[wild whippies]

On the defence of other breeders , I email , and send birthday :- "  cards to all of my pups for at least 3 years  :wacko: and christmas cards every year.

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And how nice it is to get pikkies and e-mails etc off them! :wub: All you doggie owners get e-mailing your breeders right now!!

 

[jok]

On the defence of other breeders , I email , and send birthday :- "  cards to all of my pups for at least 3 years  :wacko: and christmas cards every year.
Some I get no `feedback` at all    but I asume /hope that all is well and they are just too busy enjoying their whippets from me  . One lady who had one of Libbees brothers emailed me out of the blue asking about weight etc, all is well , she just never felt she need ed to be in constant touch with me , but the good thing is that she knows where I am should she need me  :huggles:

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I can understand that lots of people don't feel the need to be in constant contact. I think it would be nice if they could sent a picture at christmas or birthday for example though.

I can't imagine the likes of puppy farms wanting adult dogs back. There are plenty out there that don't care what happens to their pups.

This is an interesting thread, a healthy discussion with no one falling out :thumbsup:

 

[kim & Tilly]

I can see your point Kim, which is why I had a sliding scale of refund as I didn't want a young pup "sold on" without my knowledge.  If the dog came back later and I re-homed, then I would pass on any money less any expenses.  If a dog came back at a later stage, I may well feel that I would have to keep him ( all the rest of the litter were male  (w00t) ).  As I would be taking on the Vet bills and care of the dog for his remaining years I wouldn't expect to have to give a refund as well.  Its good to share opinions.
Edited to add that I do feel that sometimes to charge a small amount for an older dog means the new owner has somehow shown a real committment to that dog, not just beacuse its free.  Does that make sense?

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Im glad you can see where im coming from......i dont want to sound like money is all i think about....

 

[wild whippies]

Im glad you can see where im coming from......i dont want to sound like money is all i think about....

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In all honesty I don't think anyone who's a regular on here would ever think that of you Kim, we see the effort and devotion you put into your dogs. :huggles:

 

[kim & Tilly]

Im glad you can see where im coming from......i dont want to sound like money is all i think about....

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In all honesty I don't think anyone who's a regular on here would ever think that of you Kim, we see the effort and devotion you put into your dogs. :huggles:

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Aaaawwwww thank you, that means a lot :huggles: that really does

 

[wild whippies]

Another thing I feel I should add is although I feel it's perfectly acceptable to refuse to offer a refund, I recon a LOT of devoted breeders will come up with the cash if they can.

A while back on here I was faced with the situation and I asked others what they felt, I told people what the owners explanation for return was (something that I feel holds a lot of weight on whether the breeder chooses to offer a refund) and in the end even though it was reluctance, I drove 150 miles to get my pup back and paid her in full. Yip it vexed me but I got the pup and I got him rehomed with a relative and I wouldn't accept a penny.

So to summarise out of a litter of 8 pups, I gave one away to a friend I hold dear to my heart, I gave one away to an aunt, sold 2 discounted to a close friend and kept 3 for myself. My bank manager >> :blink:

 

[chelynnah]

Just another side of the coin here (sorry if it's been addressed already), and playing devil's advocate...

So - I pay £400 for a dog. Within a week (and after paying for jabs) I realise it's not a good fit with the dogs I have, so fo th pup's safety I return it to the breeder as agreed - pup is now 9 weeks old. The breeder sells the pup within another week or two for the same price they sold me. They have now made money twice on the dog - with maybe a small expense in that week or two that they had it.

So are you saying that it's right that the breeder can make the same money twice on one dog, and not refund any of my money, but *I* would be money grubbing expecting a refund (even if a partial one).

In the case I just described I'd think it would be the breeder....

Personally I like Juley's idea of a sliding scale and in writing so people know what to expect. I also think that a week or two is reasonable to refund someone's money (and when I breed I will still stand by that) if things don't work out because it's a bad fit or whatever. I'd rather be out of pocket a bit myself as the breeder and positive the pup has ended up in the right home, than to have someone NOT return it to me because I wouldn't refund their money - or at least part of it.

just something to think about.

Wendy

 

[saraquele]

Just another side of the coin here (sorry if it's been addressed already), and playing devil's advocate...
So - I pay £400 for a dog.  Within a week (and after paying for jabs)  I realise it's not a good fit with the dogs I have, so I return it to the breeder for it's own safety as agreed - pup is now 9 weeks old.  The breeder sells the pup within another week or two for the same price they sold me.  They have now made money twice on the dog - with maybe a small expense in that week or two that they had it.

So are you saying that it's right that the breeder can make the same money twice on one dog, and not refund any of my money, but *I* would be money grubbing expecting a refund (even if a partial one). 

In the case I just described I'd think it would be the breeder....

Personally I like Juley's idea of a sliding scale and in writing so people know what to expect.  I also think that a week or two is reasonable to refund someone's money (and when I breed I will still stand by that) if things don't work out because it's a bad fit or whatever.  I'd rather be out of pocket a bit myself as the breeder and positive the pup has ended up in the right home, than to have someone NOT return it to me because I wouldn't refund their money - or at least part of it.

just something to think about.

Wendy

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YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH :thumbsup:

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[kim & Tilly]

Just another side of the coin here (sorry if it's been addressed already), and playing devil's advocate...
So - I pay £400 for a dog.  Within a week (and after paying for jabs)  I realise it's not a good fit with the dogs I have, so fo th pup's safety I return it to the breeder as agreed - pup is now 9 weeks old.  The breeder sells the pup within another week or two for the same price they sold me.  They have now made money twice on the dog - with maybe a small expense in that week or two that they had it.

So are you saying that it's right that the breeder can make the same money twice on one dog, and not refund any of my money, but *I* would be money grubbing expecting a refund (even if a partial one). 

In the case I just described I'd think it would be the breeder....

Personally I like Juley's idea of a sliding scale and in writing so people know what to expect.  I also think that a week or two is reasonable to refund someone's money (and when I breed I will still stand by that) if things don't work out because it's a bad fit or whatever.  I'd rather be out of pocket a bit myself as the breeder and positive the pup has ended up in the right home, than to have someone NOT return it to me because I wouldn't refund their money - or at least part of it.

just something to think about.

Wendy

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^^^^^ and you said it so much better than my 300 posts (w00t) :- " :thumbsup:

 

[BeeJay]

>So - I pay £400 for a dog. Within a week (and after paying for jabs) I realise it's not a good fit with the dogs I have, so fo th pup's safety I return it to the breeder as agreed - pup is now 9 weeks old.

Puppies are puppies they fit in, they adapt. If a pup's safety is threatened then that will be because the new owner hasn't accurately assessed their other dogs.

If I was in that position I would be very, very embarassed that I'd failed to accurately assess my existing dogs temperaments. It would be my fault. Not the fault of the puppy or the breeder.

So they've vaccinated the puppy. Their choice I can think of a lot of whippet breeders who wouldn't be at all happy about that having been done at all or so young. So that IMO shouldn't even come into the matter.

Now how about this for a thought. How much is a puppy's company worth in terms of money? How much is sitting around watching a puppy play or playing with a puppy worth? How much is having a puppy snuggle up on your lap and go to sleep or snuggle up under your chin and make that little uff uff noise and sigh in contentment worth.

If you try to put a monetary value on that bit of entertainment how much should an ex owner be giving to the breeder when they take the puppy back.

Another thing that hasn't been taken into account is this. A puppy leaves a breeder and it's a happy, bouncy, out going, confident dog. Things don't work out. The breeder gets back a nervous, hand shy puppy who runs away and hides shivering and shaking in fear if a voice gets raised. The breeder may also have to keep the pup to assess it and to rehab it before even thinking about finding it another home. How much money should that owner have got back?

If people are wanting to consider puppies as goods that they can get their money back for if things don't work out. Then they should also remember that the puppy is second hand and might even be damaged goods.