Bean And Tilly Again

[jok]

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quite frankly i think it's disgusting the way this thread is panning out. Why do people have to get so rude, it is completely unnecessary.

Kim, im lucky that my three get on fantastically but here are a few tips i can share for what they're worth.

1. My three are fed after we (the people) have eaten our dinner. They are all fed in different areas. Frankie gets his bowl down first in the kitchen, then i go into the utility and put Chloes bowl down and lastly i put Holly's in the crate and shut her in. They all know the drill - the girls go and wait in their respective places when i start to put Frankie's down. By sticking to the same routine they all know where they are and there is no chance of any disagreements over food.

2. I believe ample exercise is important. I walk mine as close to getting up time as i can. Therefore the excess energy is spent and there is no naughtiness around the house.

3. At the moment i would not let your two have free running time together. Let them off one at a time. When you start to notice an improvement in their behaviour maybe have a short period off the lead together, but at the end of a long walk when they are both tired.

4. If they do get over exuberant around the house call them to you immediately and stop the behaviour. YOU are in charge. Seperate them and make them have quiet 'time out' to calm down. Only when they are calm should you let them back in with the rest of the family.

5. Training classes are absolutely fantastic. Chloe was a difficult youngster but by taking her to classes regularly she has turned into a fantastic bitch. It will also give you chance to work one on one with each of your girls and exert your authority. I'd take them alternate weeks so you can just concentrate on one.

6. If you want to make a go of it keeping Bean, pull out all the stops to make things work. Best of luck to you :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[Tony Taylor]

I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.

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both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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No what i meant was from postings Bean is the one getting all the flack, when it isn't all down to her.

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Haven't ploughed through it all so forgive me if i'm repeating someone else's advice. Think Vicky hit the nail on the head, all the bitch's we've had have had a spat. Dogs are a matriacal (sp) society & bitch's are always vying to be alpha. As Vicky says show them YOU'RE the alpha bitch. At the risk of sounding somewhat un-pc have you given any of them a clip? When they're cowering from you they won't have the sass to brawl each other,

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i would never ever agree with that

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Well I agree with Vicky and Terry but didn't respond to this thread since the outcome from certain quaters would be all to predictable.

Interestingly both these people have had households with multiple dogs present for many years and AFAIK don't have and haven't had problems. Since they both have the requiste experience perhaps others should take notice.

I won't stand for kennel fighting, which is what this is. If you don't clamp down early a feud will develope and you won't be able to control the situation. Having experience of dogs that are both willing and capable of killing others in kennel fights I find the prevelant PC attitude risible. Fat lot of use are shakers and harsh words when dogs are ripping lumps out of each other.

Fact is dog hierachy isn't based around PC rules and there can only be one boss in the household and that ought to be the owner. Those that can't bring themselves round to controling their charges for emotive reasons perhaps are unsuitable as dog owners.

So to repeat the advice from Vicky and Terry; show these two who's boss in whatever way they understand.

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i will NEVER agree that hitting a dog is appropriate....but i dont agree with hitting kids either

but everyone has a different way and each to their own...its just my opinion :thumbsup:

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I'm sure that rescue societies get plenty of work caused by PC owners inabilty to control their charges and then dumping "problem" dogs that in truth are problems of their own making Certain dogs in certain situations require a physical approach. If two dogs are intent on a kennel fight all the bleatings a bleeding liberal heart can muster won't stop them.

Children are somewhat different fron dogs in that in the main part they are capable of understanding explanations and their family hierachy isn't based on physical superiority to anything like the same extent as a dog pack . Most children never need to be physicaly restrained or punished. Never the less if a child believes you have the will to carry out that sanction it won't intiate it.

 

[~whitecross whippets~]

I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.

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both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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No what i meant was from postings Bean is the one getting all the flack, when it isn't all down to her.

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Haven't ploughed through it all so forgive me if i'm repeating someone else's advice. Think Vicky hit the nail on the head, all the bitch's we've had have had a spat. Dogs are a matriacal (sp) society & bitch's are always vying to be alpha. As Vicky says show them YOU'RE the alpha bitch. At the risk of sounding somewhat un-pc have you given any of them a clip? When they're cowering from you they won't have the sass to brawl each other,

Terry Smith

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i would never ever agree with that

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Well I agree with Vicky and Terry but didn't respond to this thread since the outcome from certain quaters would be all to predictable.

Interestingly both these people have had households with multiple dogs present for many years and AFAIK don't have and haven't had problems. Since they both have the requiste experience perhaps others should take notice.

I won't stand for kennel fighting, which is what this is. If you don't clamp down early a feud will develope and you won't be able to control the situation. Having experience of dogs that are both willing and capable of killing others in kennel fights I find the prevelant PC attitude risible. Fat lot of use are shakers and harsh words when dogs are ripping lumps out of each other.

Fact is dog hierachy isn't based around PC rules and there can only be one boss in the household and that ought to be the owner. Those that can't bring themselves round to controling their charges for emotive reasons perhaps are unsuitable as dog owners.

So to repeat the advice from Vicky and Terry; show these two who's boss in whatever way they understand.

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i will NEVER agree that hitting a dog is appropriate....but i dont agree with hitting kids either

but everyone has a different way and each to their own...its just my opinion :thumbsup:

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I'm sure that rescue societies get plenty of work caused by PC owners inabilty to control their charges and then dumping "problem" dogs that in truth are problems of their own making Certain dogs in certain situations require a physical approach. If two dogs are intent on a kennel fight all the bleatings a bleeding liberal heart can muster won't stop them.

Children are somewhat different fron dogs in that in the main part they are capable of understanding explanations and their family hierachy isn't based on physical superiority to anything like the same extent as a dog pack . Most children never need to be physicaly restrained or punished. Never the less if a child believes you have the will to carry out that sanction it won't intiate it.

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fear is very effective im sure with both children and dogs.... i dont agree and never will...lets just agree to disagree :thumbsup:

 

[dolly]

im sure there is someone here who needs therapy and it aint Kim :- "

 

[doris]

good old afyn, you have a disgusting mouth for a woman

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I'd be delighted if someone said this about me (w00t)

anything a man can do . . . . . . . :thumbsup:

 

[jeanyg]

Good luck with what ever you do :luck:

Never had bitches but have four dogs....who have learnt to live together (w00t)

Feeding seperately and in different rooms helps.

Either longer walks where they both stay on leads until manners are learnt.

All my family feed my muttleys....think it is good practise.

Taking one out at a time to let them have a quick run can help.

Stop beating yourself up....you are trying to sort it

You are the boss

I have dotted around the house....plant sprayers filled with water and if things get a bit rowdy i spray the dogs with the water.....these days all I have to do is pick it up and point :- " .......which is rare these days.

My latest addition is a rescue...who has been with us for approx 3 months...it does get easier .....but then being slightly bonkers helps

 

[Strike Whippets]

Back on topic .......I'll post you Anns phone number Kim ......shes BRILLIANT .......It'll benifit Tilly more than Bean though :thumbsup: .......and thanks for your vote of confidence Rae :huggles:

 

[wild whippies]

Some more good constructive posts appearing, ( I ignore the tripe) I think Joks statement about establishing and maintaining a routine is really important too. Your feeding routine is very similar to mine. I also think your of the same mind as me in that you need to track back a bit first re-establishing your own hierachy with the dogs individually on walks (hence me suggesting seperate walks and drumming in recall) and then as Tony says how to deal with the situation if when you do take them out together they kick off. I don't think there is anything wrong with chastising a dog, unlike children they have little understanding of a situation. Dogs have evolved into different breeds to meet man's demands and fit their chosen purpose, it is a well said comment that the dogs should be 'working' to please you.

I also think as Jok said participating in acts where your dogs are acting under your instruction are worthwhile too. I did an awful lot of junior handling as a child and you'd be surprised how much more assertive a child can be with an animal so I think this or even your daughter trapping / handling your dogs at racing are all good ideas and they will form a mutual respect for each other. You may wish to leave establishing your childs heirachy on a one to one basis with the dogs until you've got your own fully established though, especially if there's been growling / biting involved but for the meantime ensure situations are supervised closely.

 

[Juley]

I have been a member on here since 2001 and have never said a bad word to or about anyone. I ignore the posts I don't want to read or find offensive. I have, however, taken the time to look back through Keith's topics and have found a large number of them to be about parts of his anatomy and underwear. Also, he continually "flames" on posts like these instead of either making useful suggestions or remaining quiet. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, but name calling and outright disgusting remarks have no place on a forum like this. Keith, I believe that you posted once of at least one young granddaughter, who you seemed very proud of. Do you honestly think that the sort of posts you have been posting are what you would want her to read. If you wish to think badly of Kim, that is of course your right, but please keep your nasty comments to yourself. I am saddened that what has always been such a lovely forum should have sunk to this unpleasantness.

 

[quintessence]

Right everyone Keith says he's gone and lets hope that's it, I have watched him offend so many people and done nothing about it but today couldn't stand it any longer when he had a go at Debs again.

Let's now concentrate all our energies in helping Kim, she has asked for help and K9 can really show its mettle and do its best for her. I will be for ever grateful for the help given to me by K9 members when I was at my lowest, let's do it for Tilly and Beanie.

Jenny

 

[Zephyr]

I have been a member on here since 2001 and have never said a bad word to or about anyone. I ignore the posts I don't want to read or find offensive. I have, however, taken the time to look back through Keith's topics and have found a large number of them to be about parts of his anatomy and underwear.  Also, he continually "flames" on posts like these instead of either making useful suggestions or remaining quiet.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, but name calling and outright disgusting remarks have no place on a forum like this.  Keith, I believe that you posted once of at least one young granddaughter, who you seemed very proud of. Do you honestly think that the sort of posts you have been posting are what you would want her to read. If you wish to think badly of Kim, that is of course your right, but please keep your nasty comments to yourself. I am saddened that what has always been such a lovely forum should have sunk to this unpleasantness.

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Well put, Juley, I couldn't agree more.

 

[mazza]

I have been a member on here since 2001 and have never said a bad word to or about anyone. I ignore the posts I don't want to read or find offensive. I have, however, taken the time to look back through Keith's topics and have found a large number of them to be about parts of his anatomy and underwear.  Also, he continually "flames" on posts like these instead of either making useful suggestions or remaining quiet.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, but name calling and outright disgusting remarks have no place on a forum like this.  Keith, I believe that you posted once of at least one young granddaughter, who you seemed very proud of. Do you honestly think that the sort of posts you have been posting are what you would want her to read. If you wish to think badly of Kim, that is of course your right, but please keep your nasty comments to yourself. I am saddened that what has always been such a lovely forum should have sunk to this unpleasantness.

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Well put, Juley, I couldn't agree more.

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He threatened to leave before in his earlier days of K9, when he pretended to be hurt by a post. When we all thought he was quite amusing then with some of his witty posts, he gained a few friends but time goes on and he's shown his true colours.

I for one became bored with his chauvanistic remarks , more than once he slyly calls females wenches and more. Got fed up reading his smutty posts, I now ignore his posts as they are usually belittling or insulting.

Keith is an attention seeker and the only way for him to get someones attention is to be rude.

Goodbye Keith.

Now lets get back on topic.

 

[jools]

I am extremely pleased to see the back of Keith - fingers crossed. In between the offensive and vulgar posts from him there have been some fascinating and useful advice which I am sure will help more than just Kim.

:luck: Kim, you obviously want to sort out the problems you have with the girls. :luck:

 

[kim & Tilly]

I am extremely pleased to see the back of Keith -  fingers crossed. In between the offensive and vulgar posts from him  there have been some fascinating and useful advice which I am sure will help more than just Kim.:luck: Kim, you obviously want to sort out the problems you have with the girls. :luck:

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Yep that is my top priority, i have had some great ideas, and some wonderful and kind PM's :huggles:

 

I still may take 'someone' up on Beanie having a holiday, just so i can work on tilly one to one...but i think i may be able to work things out, if i work really hard with both of them... o

 

Took advice when feeding tonight, bean had hers in the dish in the cage locked in and tilly had hers in the kitchen, when they had both finished took the bowls away (tilly would have normally had what bean left) threw away the little that was left...end off

 

At tea tonight (fish and chips) would have normally given them the left overs, nope went in the bin - tillys face was

 

Made them sit to come in from outside o

 

Have been seperating them if they fight :sweating:

 

and now they are curled up on Deb's snuggle bed snoring :wub:

 

God knows what tomorrow will bring :sweating:

 

[Strike Whippets]

BRILLIANT .....You'll be suprised how a few changes can sort out a pack ...... :luck: you know where we are :thumbsup:

 

[kim & Tilly]

BRILLIANT .....You'll be suprised how a few changes can sort out a pack ...... :luck:   you know where we are  :thumbsup:

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Small steps...hannah :cheers:

And i now have people i can ring

and a places for her to go if things dont work

Feel a bit better

 

[Strike Whippets]

BRILLIANT .....You'll be suprised how a few changes can sort out a pack ...... :luck:   you know where we are  :thumbsup:

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Small steps...hannah :cheers:

And i now have people i can ring

and a places for her to go if things dont work

Feel a bit better

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Glad you feel a bit better ....... :thumbsup: .....I'll give Bean a place anyday .......

 

[jok]

I am extremely pleased to see the back of Keith -  fingers crossed. In between the offensive and vulgar posts from him  there have been some fascinating and useful advice which I am sure will help more than just Kim.:luck: Kim, you obviously want to sort out the problems you have with the girls. :luck:

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Yep that is my top priority, i have had some great ideas, and some wonderful and kind PM's :huggles:

 

I still may take 'someone' up on Beanie having a holiday, just so i can work on tilly one to one...but i think i may be able to work things out, if i work really hard with both of them... o

 

Took advice when feeding tonight, bean had hers in the dish in the cage locked in and tilly had hers in the kitchen, when they had both finished took the bowls away (tilly would have normally had what bean left) threw away the little that was left...end off

 

At tea tonight (fish and chips) would have normally given them the left overs, nope went in the bin - tillys face was

 

Made them sit to come in from outside o

 

Have been seperating them if they fight :sweating:

 

and now they are curled up on Deb's snuggle bed snoring :wub:

 

God knows what tomorrow will bring :sweating:

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May seem like small, simple steps but they are very important ones and im sure that you will see improvement if you stick at it. Fingers crossed for you Kim :huggles:

 

[whippetmad]

i hope everything goes right for you Kim :luck: :luck: there is a awful lot of good advice from alot of sensible nice peeps :wub: :wub:

I can't believe how rude a certain person has been to you and Debs,i think "someone" needs to get a life!!!!

 

[jue332]

Hope everything works out for you Kim, good luck :luck: :luck: :luck: