Bean And Tilly Again

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if some of your response is aimed at me,i didn't suggest anywhere that talking to a dog would stop a fight,but if you have control the fight shouldn't start in the first place.

Most fights are the fault of owners putting the dogs in that position in the first place.

If two dogs are fighting of course you step in and seperate them,bit stupid to suggest otherwise but you do not ever have to hit them even once.

I have in the past had to seperate two fighting terriers and got badly bitten but i still seperated them without hitting either and re-established control without any "physical threat" and the fight was never repeated.

Everyones opinion is equally valid and different methods work for different people and their animals.

My methods are totally effective with my current five dogs but i have to admit personally i would never keep two intact bitches of any breed together but again that is my opinion and my choice.

If a person chooses to hit their dog, i feel rather sorry that they are unable to make their dog understand what is expected of it and personally think if a person needs to use physical punishment,they have really lost control.

I repeat this is simply my experience and my opinion which like the rest of you,i am entitled to and i will not enter into this thread again,all i wanted was to offer my advice and i have done so.

I wish Kim all the very best and truly hope she can resolve the problems she has with her dogs.

 

[~whitecross whippets~]

if some of your response is aimed at me,i didn't suggest anywhere that talking to a dog would stop a fight,but if you have control the fight shouldn't start in the first place.
Most fights are the fault of owners putting the dogs in that position in the first place.

If two dogs are fighting of course you step in and seperate them,bit stupid to suggest otherwise but you do not ever have to hit them even once.

I have in the past had to seperate two fighting terriers and got badly bitten but i still seperated them without hitting either and re-established control without any "physical threat" and the fight was never repeated.

Everyones opinion is equally valid and different methods work for different people and their animals.

My methods are totally effective with my current five dogs but i have to admit personally i would never keep two intact  bitches of any breed together but again that is my opinion and my choice.

If a person chooses to hit their dog, i feel rather sorry that they are unable to make their dog understand what is expected of it and personally think if a person needs to use physical punishment,they have really lost control.

I repeat this is simply my experience and my opinion which like the rest of you,i am entitled to and i will not enter into this thread again,all i wanted was to offer my advice and i have done so.

I wish Kim all the very best and truly hope she can resolve the problems she has with her dogs.

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toatally agree!

i have dealt with some very nasty dogs in my life...the worst being a 13 stone rottie that i had to restrain whilst being pts ( it had just taken a childs arm off ) .... physically hurting any dog would have never helped me... in fact with the wrong dog it could have put me in serious danger....i am no pc queen....but i think promoting violence towards anything or anyone is a sign of our weakness

 

[~Helen~]

Not sure if anyone's posted this link: Jan Fennel dog listener - inter-dog aggression

 

[trac]

Just posted a big long reply then had a power cut  :rant:   :lol:
I'll post what i do Kim, works for me, might not work for you or others.

1.  I don't let off dogs together when they're all fired up, dogs going full pelt at 30+mph (ok 20mph if your name's Ziggy) is just not good, you're asking for fighting or a serious injury.  They all go off individually until they've calmed down a bit, then they'd get let off together, anyone buggering about goes straight back on the lead and get told off (i make sure they know i mean business too).  All mine know i'm the boss, not one of them takes the ****, bad recall is a major pet hate and they know they just wouldn't get away with it.  I also make a point of calling them back individually every so often for a reward (only a simple ear tickle or a pat), i find that they'll come back themselves now if i haven't done it for a while.

2.  Bowl swapping is a big no no.  I'd have world war three in my house if i allowed that, not only that but it encourages dogs to scoff their food so that they can get to the others.  All mine have their own place and they get fed in a certain order (nothing to do with hierachy - in fact i'd go as far as to do it in the opposite order) Cara 1st, Ella 2nd, Ziggy 3rd, Jude 4th, Kit 5th.  I stay with them whilst they eat and once they've finished the bowls get taken up straight away. SIMPLE!

3.  Growling / Snapping at kids and they get a FIRM no, slap or they get held down on the floor, easily nocks them down a peg or two if they start getting cocky.

If you get into a routine of keeping on top of them you make things so much simpler for yourself, it's pretty much like a baby, get it into a routine and it's a piece of cake compared to struggling and doing things as it's needed.

When we were training our Springer pups someone said "give them an inch and they'll take a mile"  it's worth keeping in mind!

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snap!! we had a big power cut at 5-00 p.m & then again at 7.00

 

[kris]

if some of your response is aimed at me,i didn't suggest anywhere that talking to a dog would stop a fight,but if you have control the fight shouldn't start in the first place.my response wasnt aimed at you or anyone else come to that.but if you feel the need to reply to my post thats fine. :thumbsup: the fights i have had with my bitches have all been when i wasnt present.no fighting ever occurred when i was present.the fights usually started when the dogs were all loose together in the gardens.i did have a large number of bitches,not one or two.every persons experiences are different,i based my reply on MY  experiences not yours. 

Most fights are the fault of owners putting the dogs in that position in the first place.all my dogs were expected to run together and to be sociable together  even if not friendly.they were brought up in a pack situation and were expected to be able to fit in with that pack.

 

If two dogs are fighting of course you step in and seperate them,bit stupid to suggest otherwise but you do not ever have to hit them even once.again i based my reply on my own experiences.when two large aggressive breeds are having a go,then sometimes you have to reinforce your separation of the fight and your dominance of the situation with more than strong words.i defy you to try to separate two dobermann bitches or terriers come to that without getting physical with them

 

I have in the past had to seperate two fighting terriers and got badly bitten but i still seperated them without hitting either and re-established control without any "physical threat" and the fight was never repeated.

good for you.fortunately when ive separated my bitches ive never been bitten.maybe you could elaborate on how you did this?id like to know cos as long in the tooth as i am and as many dogs ive trained over 30 years plus in the dog game im always willing to learn from a younger member who has something relevant to say :thumbsup:

Everyones opinion is equally valid and different methods work for different people and their animals.

of course.also different breeds need different handling.what works with a whippet wouldnt work with a rottweiller say

My methods are totally effective with my current five dogs but i have to admit personally i would never keep two intact  bitches of any breed together but again that is my opinion and my choice.all my bitches and my males were entire.the stud dogs were never allowed to meet for obvious reasons,but all my bitches of different breeds and ages were  allowed to mingle freely.only VERY occasionally was there any trouble :thumbsup:

 

If a person chooses to hit their dog, i feel rather sorry that they are unable to make their dog understand what is expected of it and personally think if a person needs to use physical punishment,they have really lost control.we obviously then differ on this one.i wont bore you with repeating my reasons why but will just refer you to my previous post

 

I repeat this is simply my experience and my opinion which like the rest of you,i am entitled to and i will not enter into this thread again,all i wanted was to offer my advice and i have done so.thats good of you,im glad you did post some advice to help kim :thumbsup:

 

I wish Kim all the very best and truly hope she can resolve the problems she has with her dogs.well heres one we both agree on! :huggles:

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oh bugger!sorry ive tried to put your parts in black and mine in red whippets rule but im not so good with a pc as most folk on here!ive tried editing it twice and its still come in all red so i give up! :wacko:

 

[kim & Tilly]

[SIZE=14pt]Right spoke to a profensional yesterday and im happy to say [/SIZE]

 

Bean wont be going anywhere

 

and after the wonderfull advice, im am sure i will be able to sort things out

 

Thanks

 

[quintessence]

I'm so pleased for you Kim, it does get better, no that's not right, it gets wonderful.

Jenny

 

[EMILY]

Great news Kim - best of luck with your two lovely girls. :huggles:

 

[Zephyr]

Good luck, Kim, Tilly and Bean :luck: :luck: :luck:

Hard work, but worth it :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Janimal]

[SIZE=14pt]Right spoke to a profensional yesterday and im happy to say [/SIZE] 

Bean wont be going anywhere

 

and after the wonderfull advice, im am sure i will be able to sort things out

 

Thanks

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Ill bet you are very releived..... I do hope things continue to work out well for you and the dogs. :luck:

 

[~Sarah~]

[SIZE=14pt]Right spoke to a profensional yesterday and im happy to say [/SIZE] 

Bean wont be going anywhere

 

and after the wonderfull advice, im am sure i will be able to sort things out

 

Thanks

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That's wonderful news Kim. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I have been away visiting my daughter and grandson for the weekend, so I am just catching up. So pleased that the thread is back on track with constructive advice from knowledgeable people. I really hope you can work things out for Tilly and Bean.

 

[whippynit]

Just to say hope everything works out for the best for you and your dogs, Looks like things are starting to look up. Good luck :luck: :luck: :cheers:

 

[whippetmad]

good news,hope everything works out well for you and the girls :luck:

 

[trac]

good luck :luck: :luck: :cheers:

 

[~Helen~]

That's fantastic news :thumbsup:

 

[Joanna]

Really pleased it is working out for you and the family. You've had a difficult few months, but I think if you peer closely, there may just be a ray of sunshine coming through the clouds

 

[kris]

great news.best of luck with them :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[Trish]

all the best kim with your two :thumbsup:

 

[Tesa]

[SIZE=14pt]Right spoke to a profensional yesterday and im happy to say [/SIZE] 

Bean wont be going anywhere

 

and after the wonderfull advice, im am sure i will be able to sort things out

 

Thanks

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Thank god for that Kim. :thumbsup: :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[jools]

I'm really pleased for you - and your girls , I can't imagine how distressing it must be for your dogs not to get on - makes me realise how lucky I am with my gang :luck: :luck: