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midlanderkeith said:
Vicky said:
I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.
both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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No what i meant was from postings Bean is the one getting all the flack, when it isn't all down to her.
 
I am very lucky yes, (you didnt really need to swear or write in big letters I would have understood what you meant :thumbsup: )I've put a lot of hard work into making it that way too,I've been tearing my hair out at some points as I'm sure lots of other whippet owners have too it's not all a bed of roses for anybody, but the rewards out weigh the bad times.

No one would dispute you being worried about the issues between Tilly and Bean, so why not just say that, the other things she does are normal things that puppies do not just coursing bred dogs all dogs, people have given alternatives but each time you are giving reasons not to take them Kim, from 12 weeks old you've told us what a pain she is, biting, jumping up chewing ect ect, have a look through your own posts you have been going to rehome her more than once,you've told us yourself you haven't had the time to give her like you did with Tilly, I trying to give you what you want, by saying rehome her,it seems to me thats the reassurance you were looking for the more people say it's right, makes it right :thumbsup:
 
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midlanderkeith said:
Vicky said:
I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.
both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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No you have got Kim wrong here ......She really wants to do well by her girls and has only asked for some help/advice ......We have these kind of new owners wanting advice for ever on this forum ......isn't this what we are here for ?? .....why do some get picked on and others helped ?? ....
 
midlanderkeith said:
Nicola said:
midlanderkeith said:
Vicky said:
I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.
both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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That's very unkind Keith :eek:

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Well i dont think so, for months shes been moaning about these dogs, coming on here for guidance, best thing she can do is rehome both these dogs, and get a budgie or summat, theyre making her life a misery, which in return will reflect on the dogs, yes, all in all one unhappy household. i repeat, some folks arent suitable to be dog owners.,

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I thought one of the purposes of K9 was to give advice and guidance.
 
~Sarah~ said:
midlanderkeith said:
Nicola said:
midlanderkeith said:
Vicky said:
I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.
both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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That's very unkind Keith :eek:

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Well i dont think so, for months shes been moaning about these dogs, coming on here for guidance, best thing she can do is rehome both these dogs, and get a budgie or summat, theyre making her life a misery, which in return will reflect on the dogs, yes, all in all one unhappy household. i repeat, some folks arent suitable to be dog owners.,

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I thought one of the purposes of K9 was to give advice and guidance.

Quite right. I don't want to fall out with you Keith, but you've asked for advice as well when your whippet was bullying your oldie retriever.

Let's leave Kim to have a think about it and decide what's for best without causing any more upset.
 
Nicola said:
~Sarah~ said:
midlanderkeith said:
Nicola said:
midlanderkeith said:
Vicky said:
I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.
both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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That's very unkind Keith :eek:

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Well i dont think so, for months shes been moaning about these dogs, coming on here for guidance, best thing she can do is rehome both these dogs, and get a budgie or summat, theyre making her life a misery, which in return will reflect on the dogs, yes, all in all one unhappy household. i repeat, some folks arent suitable to be dog owners.,

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I thought one of the purposes of K9 was to give advice and guidance.

Quite right. I don't want to fall out with you Keith, but you've asked for advice as well when your whippet was bullying your oldie retriever.

Let's leave Kim to have a think about it and decide what's for best without causing any more upset.

yes you are quite right, i listened to the advice, and i can now honestly say, everythings ok now, but with kim its been going on ages, and will never end till one of em or both are rehomed
 
I agree there is the possibility that there are a few issues here and I really don't think anyone should take offence. At the end of the day it's very easy to mis read a dogs behaviour the same as it's easy for a dog to misinterpret an owners. I do think a behavioural therapist should be brought into the equasion, I think only by doing this are you going to know what's gone wrong.
 
Vicky said:
midlanderkeith said:
Vicky said:
I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.
both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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No what i meant was from postings Bean is the one getting all the flack, when it isn't all down to her.



Haven't ploughed through it all so forgive me if i'm repeating someone else's advice. Think Vicky hit the nail on the head, all the bitch's we've had have had a spat. Dogs are a matriacal (sp) society & bitch's are always vying to be alpha. As Vicky says show them YOU'RE the alpha bitch. At the risk of sounding somewhat un-pc have you given any of them a clip? When they're cowering from you they won't have the sass to brawl each other,

Terry Smith
 
Terry & Sheila Smith said:
Vicky said:
midlanderkeith said:
Vicky said:
I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.
both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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No what i meant was from postings Bean is the one getting all the flack, when it isn't all down to her.



Haven't ploughed through it all so forgive me if i'm repeating someone else's advice. Think Vicky hit the nail on the head, all the bitch's we've had have had a spat. Dogs are a matriacal (sp) society & bitch's are always vying to be alpha. As Vicky says show them YOU'RE the alpha bitch. At the risk of sounding somewhat un-pc have you given any of them a clip? When they're cowering from you they won't have the sass to brawl each other,

Terry Smith

i would never ever agree with that :(
 
When Rose was alive all our bitches got on great as she was top bitch and they all knew it since we lost her we now have 3 bitches who have always lived together gone out together, who cant be left alone together as all hell breaks loose they are all now trying to be top bitch, they have to be seperated in the house, but arent to bad when out walking, hope things sort thereselves out soon otherwise i would seriously think about rehoming one.
 
~whitecross whippets~ said:
Terry & Sheila Smith said:
Vicky said:
midlanderkeith said:
Vicky said:
I don't know what to suggest, i think there are all kinds of issue's here.  I think both dogs are at fault and to me it sounds like you have no control over either of them (not just Bean).  Do any of them actually know that YOU are the boss and not them? They're running all over you from the sounds of things.
both dogs are at fault, i disagree, owner is at fault, some folks arent suitable as dog owners, and we have a typical example here

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No what i meant was from postings Bean is the one getting all the flack, when it isn't all down to her.



Haven't ploughed through it all so forgive me if i'm repeating someone else's advice. Think Vicky hit the nail on the head, all the bitch's we've had have had a spat. Dogs are a matriacal (sp) society & bitch's are always vying to be alpha. As Vicky says show them YOU'RE the alpha bitch. At the risk of sounding somewhat un-pc have you given any of them a clip? When they're cowering from you they won't have the sass to brawl each other,

Terry Smith

i would never ever agree with that :(

I agree, voice and body language can be used to much better effect than clipping a dog. Big voice, towering over them, even tiny Victoria Stillwell subdues a dog with her loud brash "BUBUBUBUB!!"s. It works for me :thumbsup:
 
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Well i dont think so, for months shes been moaning about these dogs, coming on here for guidance, best thing she can do is rehome both these dogs, and get a budgie or summat, theyre making her life a misery, which in return will reflect on the dogs, yes, all in all one unhappy household. i repeat, some folks arent suitable to be dog owners.,

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I thought one of the purposes of K9 was to give advice and guidance.







I agree - and I think it is absolutely heartless to be kicking someone when they are down :( :( - Kim is in a very upsetting situation and has asked for advice here, not to be slated and told she is unsuitable to be a dog owner. :(
 
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I have never had a problem with Tilly , when she was on her own, she was fine, the trouble started when bean arrived.

Mad bouncy puppy (thats not the problem) and older girl, tilly asserted herslf and bean was having none of it, so they had their spats...but not aggressive.

I have read The Dog Whisperer and have put the tips into practise, so dogs are not jumping up when we come throught the door, bean no longer nips as much due to using the shaker method.

The problem is now Tilly has biten Bean and drawn blood. While i wasnt there - ???? how do i deal with that???

Also how do i deal with tilly constantly bumping and pushing bean while out on a walk? pinning her down so she cant move. Last night she ripped Beans coat off.

Any ideas???

Ok so i have said i was thinking of rehoming Bean, the first time was because bean was nipping my daughter (at the end of the day she comes first) but problem sorted

Now its because Tilly has Hurt Bean. Its not beans fault, she is a lovely bouncy pup. It maybe Tilly and Bean may never get on. how do i stop Tilly from being a bully???

Lesley - sorry for my tone i was upset.

Midlander Keith - i have no time for you or your posts
 
Kim, so sorry you find yourself in this aweful situation. :(

I havnt any advice sorry , but admit when I got another puppy - this was always in the back of my mind - what would happen if they didnt get along, and I know this has been the case for some other K9'ers.

Thankfully they do get along fine, but I cannot imagine the dilemna you are now in.

Hope the situation is sorted one way or another, for the good of everyone concerned. :thumbsup:

and Kim, you will find Debbie is a minefield of good information. :thumbsup:
 
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Hi Kim, sorry you are having problems. I do think it is very important that both girls know that YOU are top dog. I think it is vital to watch them and see which of the two bitches is top. It may be that Bean will be top in the end. Then always treat them in that order. Feed the top dog first ( food down first), greet that one first, first off lead etc. I think if you can be very assertive with them then when you say NO, hopefully they will listen to you as pack leader. Also practise taking things from both dogs ( seperately). They should give things up to you, even treats, as YOU are leader. I teach mine this from a young age. Good luck with whatever you decide. :luck:
 
Actually Deb has got a nice trim figure :thumbsup:

Back on topic, I do think it would be worth getting some help from a vet or behaviourist. Most vets have one attached to the surgery or at least alist of recommended specialists. I am sure you can work this out Kim, I just think you might need an expert to give you some confidence and pointers.
 
I just want to say thank you for the good advice and help i have received and that the rehoming of any of my dogs will at at a very last result.

After i have demoted Tilly, and reinstated my authority!! we will see what happens

I will try and get some video footage of the problem when out for a walk, just so you can see what im talking about (whippets4kim has been there when it happens)

I love both my dogs and want the best for them
 
I would try a behaviourist. Follow what they suggest and see how you go. :luck:
 
Hi Kim

Please don't beat yourself up about this, I have always considered myself pretty good with dogs whatever the problem but I thought I was going to become unstuck with Sparky and it has taken time and perseverance and letting him know that I am top dog in this family, and things are now fantastic. What I am certain of is that if he had been in another home he would possibly have been re-homed. He has just taken time to grow up and know that life is better if I'm the boss.

Take the good advice offered and ignore the people who want to have a go at you, how many times do we hear of dogs who need help but no-one asked, you're asking for help Kim and I'm sure that whatever the outcome is you've given it a chance. There is so much valuable experience on this forum, I hope it all works out for you Tilly and Beanie.

Keith - back off, if you can't help what is a difficult situation then keep your opinions to yourself. On a site dedicated to dogs they must be our first priority, to have a go like that makes me despair.

Jenny

Kim, pm me if you want to chat.
 
I'm sorry about the problems you're having. I had a similar situation with my dogs, Alfie was my first and when I got a second dog he started to bully him. As I left to go out one day Alfie must have picked on Louis and they started a real scrap so I rushed back indoors and gave Alfie a bit of shake by the scruff of the neck (like a bitch would do to a pup). I also made sure that Alfie was fed last, had a treat last and things like that. It definitely helped the situation and he stopped bullying Louis. I now have 3 dogs and although Alfie likes to be the boss he does now realise that he shouldn't take it too far. Have you thought about obedience classes so that your dog gets used to be in close contact with others and maybe learns to listen to you more?
 

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