British And American Whippets

[Ms Molly]

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Yep, as I said I want it all!!!

 

[T Hoare]

Well said Patsy. Yes indeedy--- we all want a whippet of the correct size. But by golly it is hard enough breeding good ones, let alone get one of perfect size.We want it all!!! But alas, sometimes we have to compromise.

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Hear hear, I second that.

I have a bitch that i would love to be an inch smaller but appart from cutting some of each leg, it ain't gona happen!!

 

[bertha]

Having a dog of nineteen and a half inches, he looks small in the ring but is the correct size, he has good bone and muscle tone.

I also race him, he has passed his first clearing trial and hopefully get cleared and I can get him passported. I shall be happy for him to succeed in both fields. It's possible but will be a real challenge.

 

[dessie]

at what point though does the line get crossed with heights? surely we sould e trying to keep the size correct too along with other faults?  :thumbsup:

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Who says we don't? I certainly think about it when planning a mating, alongside all the other considerations like temperament, conformation and movement and then the nitty gritty bits like mouth, ears, tails, feet, etc etc

 

[posh totty]

at what point though does the line get crossed with heights? surely we sould e trying to keep the size correct too along with other faults?  :thumbsup:

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Who says we don't? I certainly think about it when planning a mating, alongside all the other considerations like temperament, conformation and movement and then the nitty gritty bits like mouth, ears, tails, feet, etc etc

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simply by seeing the size rise over the years :thumbsup:

 

[patsy]

Returning to the size and measuring debate. Who amongst us remembers Gladys Sage who when judging would sometimes have the wicket ,set to the height in either dogs or bitches just stood on the table, I never saw her actually measure a dog. When I showed my dogs in the U.S my AM CH Fairway Riptide was measured in the ring but measured in.On the lure coursing front, I lure coursed my dogs in California and Texas and really enjoyed it and the dogs loved it.

Nicky

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Sorry Nicky never remember Glad with the measure, Gillian Usher had the measure on the table set at the correct height, never saw her actually use it on a dog though.

 

[doris]

Has size only become an issue in recent years?

I thought that there had always been big 'uns and little 'uns and some inbetween :- "

 

[Ms Molly]

Yes, Doris you got it in one!!

 

[jenmb116]

I love to watch nature shows and for my money, wolves and wild dogs have gaits that would never pass muster in any show ring. Most wolves are very east/west in front and they move with their heads lowered in a skulking manner.

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If you watch wild canids trot, they don't move much like any breed standard description.  This, more than anything else, shows me that most of our valuations on show ring movement are much more aesthetic than functional. :teehee:

I agree absolutely and it leaves me feeling very uneasy about what we are doing to dogs.

Somebody, often with no real understanding of anatomy, described the breeds long time ago and we go on quoting them as if that was a divine truth. So much damage has been done to so many breeds by trying to conform the dogs to various myth.

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This little thread made me think of a photo I had come across in the past,

Red Wolf Trotting

Interesting...

Jenn

 

[jenmb116]

I know the photos from the January circuit are no longer on the EWhippetzine, but here is the link if you haven't seen them. Lots of examples of different types and size variations in the line-ups...and alot of really cold Whippets, those show grounds are notorious for being very cold and windy, even in FL! I enjoy looking at pictures from shows, especially those that I can't go too, so I thought I'd add this link. It would be interesting to hear opinions...though having seen many of those Whippets in person, I would have to say that some are certainly not photographed to an advantage haha...still good to see anything though!

Fun In Florida

Have enjoyed this discussion so far, spent hours getting up to date..Hope to see some of you all at the Atlanta National!

Jenn

 

[patsy]

I know the photos from the January circuit are no longer on the EWhippetzine, but here is the link if you haven't seen them. Lots of examples of different types and size variations in the line-ups...and alot of really cold Whippets, those show grounds are notorious for being very cold and windy, even in FL! I enjoy looking at pictures from shows, especially those that I can't go too, so I thought I'd add this link. It would be interesting to hear opinions...though having seen many of those Whippets in person, I would have to say that some are certainly not photographed to an advantage haha...still good to see anything though!
Fun In Florida

Have enjoyed this discussion so far, spent hours getting up to date..Hope to see some of you all at the Atlanta National!

Jenn

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One of my dreads is judging the breed on a cold windy day, some will stand up to the conditions some will not, but it is the same for them all. We are lucky in England because we have wet weather rings, at some shows all the rings are under canvas the trouble with these is that they can be a wind tunnel even on a nice day with a bit of breeze then they would be better completely outside with the sun on their backs, compared to most countries we are very lucky in England to have this provided.

I have seen the photo's before on Ezine and I am sure without the wind some of the toplines would not be correct.

 

[jenmb116]

I know the photos from the January circuit are no longer on the EWhippetzine, but here is the link if you haven't seen them. Lots of examples of different types and size variations in the line-ups...and alot of really cold Whippets, those show grounds are notorious for being very cold and windy, even in FL! I enjoy looking at pictures from shows, especially those that I can't go too, so I thought I'd add this link. It would be interesting to hear opinions...though having seen many of those Whippets in person, I would have to say that some are certainly not photographed to an advantage haha...still good to see anything though!
Fun In Florida

Have enjoyed this discussion so far, spent hours getting up to date..Hope to see some of you all at the Atlanta National!

Jenn

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One of my dreads is judging the breed on a cold windy day, some will stand up to the conditions some will not, but it is the same for them all. We are lucky in England because we have wet weather rings, at some shows all the rings are under canvas the trouble with these is that they can be a wind tunnel even on a nice day with a bit of breeze then they would be better completely outside with the sun on their backs, compared to most countries we are very lucky in England to have this provided.

I have seen the photo's before on Ezine and I am sure without the wind some of the toplines would not be correct.

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Oh I totally agree, and you can see that it only made the bad toplines worse, I was just pointing out something I had observed. I know some of the whippets pictured to have...well, closer to flat toplines, that in these pictures look very extreme.

I dread having to show Whippets in the early morning, or on cold days period...we always joke about the IG-A-Whippets...

Jenn

 

[Scudder]

It would be interesting to hear opinions...though having seen many of those Whippets in person, I would have to say that some are certainly not photographed to an advantage haha...still good to see anything though!
Fun In Florida

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I had 2 dogs at that show and the photographer picked the coldest, windiest day to take pictures of what was a [mostly] glorious weather 3 week show circuit. I think judging these dogs by that particular days pictures would be completely unfair and it is certainly not a true representation of overall American whippet style.

Kristen

 

[patsy]

It would be interesting to hear opinions...though having seen many of those Whippets in person, I would have to say that some are certainly not photographed to an advantage haha...still good to see anything though!
Fun In Florida

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I had 2 dogs at that show and the photographer picked the coldest, windiest day to take pictures of what was a [mostly] glorious weather 3 week show circuit. I think judging these dogs by that particular days pictures would be completely unfair and it is certainly not a true representation of overall American whippet style.

Kristen

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In America you certainly have your dogs photographed a lot more than we do. On a cold day when they are not preforming we would opt out for photo's except if you got a group placing.

 

[Scudder]

In America you certainly have your dogs photographed a lot more than we do. On a cold day when they are not preforming we would opt out for photo's except if you got a group placing.

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As I understand it, in the UK, the ringside photographers usually ask permission of the judge or exhibitors about picture taking? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Its not unusual for ringside to take lots of unsolicited photos here in the US. Half the time we don't know about it until they've been posted somewhere. Usually they are good. Sometimes however...

On that particular day, it wasn't the official show photographer taking pictures and for the life of me I can't imagine why they would be taking photos of whippets in competition when it surely wouldn't show them at their best for all the world to see.

I just remember thinking "of all the days..."

Kristen

 

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Returning to the size and measuring debate. Who amongst us remembers Gladys Sage who when judging would sometimes have the wicket ,set to the height in either dogs or bitches just stood on the table, I never saw her actually measure a dog. When I showed my dogs in the U.S my AM CH Fairway Riptide was measured in the ring but measured in.On the lure coursing front, I lure coursed my dogs in California and Texas and really enjoyed it and the dogs loved it.

Nicky

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Sorry Nicky never remember Glad with the measure, Gillian Usher had the measure on the table set at the correct height, never saw her actually use it on a dog though.

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You are probaly right Patsy ( I should know better ,should nt I) maybe Gladys was stewarding for Gillian!

Nicky

 

[T Hoare]

Returning to the size and measuring debate. Who amongst us remembers Gladys Sage who when judging would sometimes have the wicket ,set to the height in either dogs or bitches just stood on the table, I never saw her actually measure a dog. When I showed my dogs in the U.S my AM CH Fairway Riptide was measured in the ring but measured in.On the lure coursing front, I lure coursed my dogs in California and Texas and really enjoyed it and the dogs loved it.

Nicky

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Sorry Nicky never remember Glad with the measure, Gillian Usher had the measure on the table set at the correct height, never saw her actually use it on a dog though.

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You are probaly right Patsy ( I should know better ,should nt I) maybe Gladys was stewarding for Gillian!

Nicky

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When didn't Gladys steward :lol: She always made sure there no more than a hairs width between dogs whilst you were waiting in the ring.

I do remember Sheleigh Thompson having the measure set ' for her own purposes' at SWKA.

 

[UKUSA]

Right enough Tracy . Gladys ran the ring with military precision.

On the photo front, again its a whole different ball game to here . Again I say unless its changed, the photographer is called to the ring as soon as B.O.B is judged and you have your photos done if you are W.B, W.D, B.O.B or B,O.W. You would ask the photographer to send you two photos, one of which you would send to the judge with a thank- you note. That way the judge will hopefully remember you the next time they judge in your neck of the woods.

Nicky

 

[dolly]

Returning to the size and measuring debate. Who amongst us remembers Gladys Sage who when judging would sometimes have the wicket ,set to the height in either dogs or bitches just stood on the table, I never saw her actually measure a dog. When I showed my dogs in the U.S my AM CH Fairway Riptide was measured in the ring but measured in.On the lure coursing front, I lure coursed my dogs in California and Texas and really enjoyed it and the dogs loved it.

Nicky

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Sorry Nicky never remember Glad with the measure, Gillian Usher had the measure on the table set at the correct height, never saw her actually use it on a dog though.

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You are probaly right Patsy ( I should know better ,should nt I) maybe Gladys was stewarding for Gillian!

Nicky

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When didn't Gladys steward :lol: She always made sure there no more than a hairs width between dogs whilst you were waiting in the ring.

I do remember Sheleigh Thompson having the measure set ' for her own purposes' at SWKA.

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That was Gillian, tracey, Shelagh measured every single whippet !!!

 

[patsy]

Returning to the size and measuring debate. Who amongst us remembers Gladys Sage who when judging would sometimes have the wicket ,set to the height in either dogs or bitches just stood on the table, I never saw her actually measure a dog. When I showed my dogs in the U.S my AM CH Fairway Riptide was measured in the ring but measured in.On the lure coursing front, I lure coursed my dogs in California and Texas and really enjoyed it and the dogs loved it.

Nicky

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Sorry Nicky never remember Glad with the measure, Gillian Usher had the measure on the table set at the correct height, never saw her actually use it on a dog though.

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You are probaly right Patsy ( I should know better ,should nt I) maybe Gladys was stewarding for Gillian!

Nicky

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When didn't Gladys steward :lol: She always made sure there no more than a hairs width between dogs whilst you were waiting in the ring.

I do remember Sheleigh Thompson having the measure set ' for her own purposes' at SWKA.

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That was Gillian, tracey, Shelagh measured every single whippet !!!

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She sure did, and it proved that Jester went well under the measure