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[debbie]

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i always got my pups going early, but are now wary after what happened to my little louise, who,ll never beforgotten i started mason going, took him to robert last month and was told to put him away till after xmas as he is still growing so i have , he is nearly a year old now

 

[peacock_phil]

I doubt whether it will stop people having pups ready at 6/7mths David but it will mean that the likelihood of pups being schooled properly is improved and people are under less pressure to rush their youngsters.
If nothing else it means that a pup will race on the club handicap or in grouped trials for a few weeks or a few months in order to get the hang of things and so when in a puppy race will behave correctly and pose less of a danger to the other pups  :thumbsup:

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thats it no dog is ready at 6/ 7 months,they still pups and should be treat as pups.

not trimed down to race weight. (not set up)

ask anybody that check dogs,1 in our area thinks most of whippet racers are idiots

starting dogs before they are set up,bring dogs back far to early after injury.he cannot be arced with some of them. they know what they are talking about.

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David I for one agree 100 per cent pups are run far to early behind the lure,

there bones are far to soft and not ready to be placed under such stress,and if there muscles dont go(thay tear)or there bones

fracture and or break. :rant:

 

[weathergirls]

I agree puppies are too young at 8 months think a good age as John proposed is 10 months however think think the 14 months and the yearlings age group contadicts itself my reason for voting against it as at present from 12months they can run as adults

maybe it would be better to scrap puppy/yearlings and have a nursery stakes class 10 to 14month and restrict the entry into adult racing to 14month

 

[kenny m]

never ran mine till 10 month,people will say you leave it to long but we have never had any problems,think there 1st pupy race 11month, our flybabys first race was up scotland she hadnt had a jacket or a muzzle on,and she flew,but the next week she was in with dogs with far more exsperiance ,no problems,touch wood.i think,a bit common sense,and you wont go far wrong,no,2 dogs are the same :thumbsup:

 

[JoJess]

I would say depends on the training of the whippet and its abilitys, we had one race in her first puppy race at 8 month and win it, but she was trained at the clubs twice a week and so we knew she was ready, had others that needed longer and would not have put them in a race untill I knew or sure they were ready......... too many pups get injured so would say listen to the older members they wont tell you wrong your pup is precious to everyone )

 

[tinarpoole]

GOOD SUBJECT ON AGE OF PUPS FOR SCHOOLING HAVE SEEN SO MANY GOOD PROSPECTS RUINED BY GETTING INJURED AND OVER RACED WHEN TOO YOUNG.IMO YOU MUST USE COMMON SENSE THE BIGGER THE DOG THE MORE TIME IT WILL NEED.GREYHOUND BLOOD REQUIRES MORE TIME THAN NORMAL NON PEDIGREE BREEDING.BITCHES ARE NORMALLY MORE MATURE THAN DOGS.THERE ARE OBVIOSLY EXCEPTIONS AND I REMEMBER THE INCOMPARABLE ANOTHER MAID FIGHTING BUT STILL SLAUGHTERING A TOP CLASS FIELD OF 110 DOGS AT LEICESTER TIGERS AT BARELY 10 MONTHS

 

[sherry]

GOOD SUBJECT ON AGE OF PUPS FOR SCHOOLING HAVE SEEN SO MANY GOOD PROSPECTS RUINED BY GETTING INJURED AND OVER RACED WHEN TOO YOUNG.IMO YOU MUST USE COMMON SENSE THE BIGGER THE DOG THE MORE TIME IT WILL NEED.GREYHOUND BLOOD REQUIRES MORE TIME THAN NORMAL NON PEDIGREE BREEDING.BITCHES ARE NORMALLY MORE MATURE THAN DOGS.THERE ARE OBVIOSLY EXCEPTIONS AND I REMEMBER THE INCOMPARABLE ANOTHER MAID FIGHTING BUT STILL SLAUGHTERING A TOP CLASS FIELD OF 110 DOGS AT LEICESTER TIGERS AT BARELY 10 MONTHS

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HAVE HAD 4 WITH GHD BREEDING 2 OF THEM RUNNING BY 9 MONTHS OLD ONE OF THOSE WAS MICKEY WHIZZ WHO WON LOADS AND RACED UNTIL HE WAS 4. EVERY DOG IS DIFFERENT ONE OF THE 4 THAT IVE HAD WITH GHD IN THEM DIDNT START RUNNING TILL HE WAS 15 MONTHS. JUST BECOZ ONE DOG ISNT READY TILL ITS 14 MONTHS OR HOWEVER OLD DOESNT MEAN ANOTHER WONT B. WE HAVE A RULE @ THE RISING SUN THAT U CANT SCHOOL A PUP UNTIL ITS 6 MONTHS. MOST PEOPLE WAIT TILL AFTER THIS. SOME PEOPLE DONT LET THEIR DOGS OFF LEADS ME MINES OFF @ 13 WEEKS OLD EACH TO THEIR OWN.

 

[rodders]

Just read Lindas breakdown of drug testing costs,looks like it will cost £18 on top of membership costs with BWRA,if it's voted back in

 

[JOHNG]

i personally think its up 2 each individual when they start schooling their own dog i wudnt wait till a pup that was ready imo i wudnt wait till it was 10 months old regardless if thats when i cud run it or not. its up 2 u not who checks your dogs, not the bwra etc etc. example my dogs mickey whizz racing all the way @ 8 months old scottish derby r up 18 months old. whisper whizz didnt start racing properly till he was 15 months old, nikki whizz 9 months old all big dogs all different. if this comes in u r only going to have 3 months of yearling racing 15 to 18 months and u cud b racing a 10 month old pup with a 14 month old yearling. think about it very carefully.

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carol you think about it carefully, the way it is at the moment a pup as to be 8 month to run at a bwra event , dogs are being schooled at 5/6month to get them ready for these events, which is far too young my proposal will give the the dogs a lot more time to be schooled properly,and i think the clubs should have a age limit at which you can school a pup,i have seen a lot of puppies break legs and tibia crest injuries by being to young.

 

[JOHNG]

GOOD SUBJECT ON AGE OF PUPS FOR SCHOOLING HAVE SEEN SO MANY GOOD PROSPECTS RUINED BY GETTING INJURED AND OVER RACED WHEN TOO YOUNG.IMO YOU MUST USE COMMON SENSE THE BIGGER THE DOG THE MORE TIME IT WILL NEED.GREYHOUND BLOOD REQUIRES MORE TIME THAN NORMAL NON PEDIGREE BREEDING.BITCHES ARE NORMALLY MORE MATURE THAN DOGS.THERE ARE OBVIOSLY EXCEPTIONS AND I REMEMBER THE INCOMPARABLE ANOTHER MAID FIGHTING BUT STILL SLAUGHTERING A TOP CLASS FIELD OF 110 DOGS AT LEICESTER TIGERS AT BARELY 10 MONTHS

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HAVE HAD 4 WITH GHD BREEDING 2 OF THEM RUNNING BY 9 MONTHS OLD ONE OF THOSE WAS MICKEY WHIZZ WHO WON LOADS AND RACED UNTIL HE WAS 4. EVERY DOG IS DIFFERENT ONE OF THE 4 THAT IVE HAD WITH GHD IN THEM DIDNT START RUNNING TILL HE WAS 15 MONTHS. JUST BECOZ ONE DOG ISNT READY TILL ITS 14 MONTHS OR HOWEVER OLD DOESNT MEAN ANOTHER WONT B. WE HAVE A RULE @ THE RISING SUN THAT U CANT SCHOOL A PUP UNTIL ITS 6 MONTHS. MOST PEOPLE WAIT TILL AFTER THIS. SOME PEOPLE DONT LET THEIR DOGS OFF LEADS ME MINES OFF @ 13 WEEKS OLD EACH TO THEIR OWN.

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you've been very lucky carol,i raced for 35 year and never had a dog break a leg or had a tibia crest injury,by being patient and not too keen to get them going :- "

 

[stuart worcs]

im just an observer stu runs the dogs i dont go that often

but my opinion

why not leave the ages as it is now

but have the puppy racing over shorter distances

in weight classes ?

100 yards or so

if its a stupid suggestion

im sorry and will leave it to the experts

chez & norman lol

 

[kipper fluke]

If a dog is going to break its leg/neck or anything else for that matter it can do it just as easily whilst out for a bit of exercise on the beach or in a field--

As i found out with Barney(OurMan Flint)---just unlucky same as some of us---

I have always had mine running at six months old without any problems even now all those who raced are still good for one run on the track --Crystal-Bay is still used to train pups to pass when required at over 12 years of age --Kipper still enjoys a run as does Fluke at 9 years of age and Coral still is competing at 8 years old --tell me some others at thier ages that are -------Plus enjoying every minute of it.

Perfect example of running them early and they had 55 Champions over the years the ran whippets were Steve and Julie---always ready at an early age --but done properly plus they knew if the dog was able --

Waterford was running on bends at six months and is still able too ----just luck of draw ---

Injuries unfortunately are a fact of life some get a lot others get none--

biggest cause whilst racing is dogs not being totaly fit-----or warmed up correctly---prior to racing

or interference from other dogs whilst running-- finishing first on lure and being hit up back end by other dogs--Kickboards are another cause -

just my own view on this --

steve

 

[Fleesh]

If a dog is going to break its leg/neck or anything else for that matter it can do it just as easily whilst out for a bit of exercise on the beach or in a field--
As i found out with Barney(OurMan Flint)---just unlucky same as  some of us---

I have always had mine running at six months old without any problems even now  all those who raced are still good for one run on the track --Crystal-Bay is still used to train pups to pass when required at over 12 years of age --Kipper still enjoys a run as does Fluke at 9 years of age and Coral still is competing at 8 years old --tell me  some others at thier ages that are -------Plus enjoying every minute of it.

Perfect example of running them early and they had 55 Champions over the years the ran whippets were Steve and Julie---always ready at an early age --but done properly plus they knew if the dog was able --

Waterford was running on bends at six months and is still able too ----just luck of draw --- 

Injuries unfortunately are a fact of life some get a lot others get none--

biggest cause whilst racing is dogs not being totaly fit-----or warmed up correctly---prior to racing

or interference from other dogs whilst running-- finishing first on lure and being hit up back end by other dogs--Kickboards are another cause -

just my own view on this --

steve

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Connor's Lass 7yrs old, 2 toes off, 3 litters of pups, and off for a trip out to the Superleagues next Saturday for a bit of fun :thumbsup: Been racing since she was 9mths old . All mine did the bends before 12mths with no problems (Connor's Lass raced on the bends aged 12mths in the days when there was no bend yearling racing, nobody had anything to say about running 12/13mths with adults on the bends then), depends how you bring them up, whether they're schooled properly and more importantly whether the dogs they run with are honest and schooled properly.

Mine aren't ready as quick as Steve's are but they're ready when they can do it safely and without causing a danger to themselves or other dogs :thumbsup: . Though I do think if it stops people trying to rush mentally immature puppies into races at 8mths then it may be a good thing, they're not all ready to go at that age and forcing one pup into racing at 8mths just because another (and possibly even larger) pup is ready is not good.

 

[Trojan]

Will it make a difference to the way they are trained or will people just wait longer and still train them the same? My opinion is that its not so much the age the pups are started at but more to the point 'how' they are trained if started at an early age or later they still need to be trained properly before goin into races! If pups are from 10-14 it doesnt mean puppy racing will be any better as people may well leave them to 9 months and still do the same amount of training in the last month to rush them to be ready for 10 months to me a pup is up to 12 months then an adult. Yearlings (12-18) in theory is a good idea but to be honest the amount competing in lots of the yearling races, makes me wonder if yearlings are worth it. At 15months would it not be better in with adults opposed to keep having solo's in a yearling class and if the age range changes to 14-18 months that would make less dogs eligible for yearlings. :blink:

Injuries happen to both pups and adults alike and come sadly with the hobby, the thing needed is lots of good :luck: and sensible training :- "

 

[sherry]

maybe i have been lucky when training pups young or ive been able 2 know myself if they r ready or not. but i still wudnt want to race a 10 month old pup with a ( technically) 14 month old adult ( yearling)

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

NOT HAD OWT YET

 

[dart]

Will it make a difference to the way they are trained or will people just wait longer and still train them the same?  My opinion is that its not so much the age the pups are started at but more to the point 'how' they are trained if started at an early age or later they still need to be trained properly before goin into races!  If pups are from 10-14 it doesnt mean puppy racing will be any better as people may well leave them to 9 months and still do the same amount of training in the last month to rush them to be ready for 10 months to me a pup is up to 12 months then an adult.  Yearlings (12-18) in theory is a good idea but to be honest the amount competing in lots of the yearling races, makes me wonder if yearlings are worth it. At 15months would it not be better in with adults opposed to keep having solo's in a yearling class and if the age range changes to 14-18 months that would make less dogs eligible for yearlings. :blink:
Injuries happen to both pups and adults alike and come sadly with the hobby, the thing needed is lots of good  :luck: and sensible training :- "

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I HAVE BEEN THINK ABOUT THIS AND I CHANGE MY MIND FEW TIMES I AGREE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING UNFAIR TO RUN 14 MONTH OLD AGAIIN 10 MONTH PUPS BIG DIFFERENTS AT 14 MONTHS OLD BITCHS WIN OPENS.IF IT ISN;T BROKE DON;T FIX IT.

 

[mutley]

would not dream of starting a pup off till at least 8 month .bigger dogs especially with more greyhound in them, again not until at least 9 to 11 months ,but everyone is different in there views .luck has a lot to do with it also but growth plates are like the name says growth they need the time to do so imo )

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pACePi441ds

 

[sherry]

well we will all get our vote ( when i get my form) and @ the end of the day it onlya applies to the bwra not clubs or n.n.w.r.f events etc