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In my opinion its the breeding that wants controlling....not the advertising.

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i agree janis totally :thumbsup:

 

[WIGGY]

we had a call from a lady who had one of my pups who was 12 weeks old she said she was rehoming her as she nipped. i explained that they all nip from time to time when they are babies. but if she would like some help rehoming her i would be glad to help.{a man who also had a pup from this litter desperatly wanted two little girls but i only had one available when he took his little girl. he woud have jumped at the chance of having this little girl to join her sister} but the lady insisted that she wanted to find her own home, saying she only called me incase i saw the ad. so sometimes breeders cant help even if they want to.i know i could have found the pup a perfect home the same day.

 

[Nicola]

In my opinion its the breeding that wants controlling....not the advertising.

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i agree janis totally :thumbsup:

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I can't help feeling that it's the ease of being able to advertise pups on the web that has helped to promote so much breeding..... :- "

I'm not against E-Pupz per se...it used to be quite difficult getting hold of a pup and probably caused a lot of heartache to people/families wanting a certain breed of pup in the past. I didn't know anything about ringing breed club secretaries when I first started to look for a whippet and the web wasn't in existence back then. I ended up ringing numbers from a KC list of recently registered litters, and some of the frosty responses from breeders almost put me off. Typical responses were:

They're all sold!.....end of conversation/phone put down.

How did you get hold of my number?.....(in a non too friendly tone)

I can understand why potential owners turn to the web these days, but by the same token it's made the search process so much easier, so much so that anyone can advertise these days and sell a litter. Catch 22 really :wacko:

 

[Janimal]

I cant see how ease of advertising on the web/internet could possibly promote breeding. :unsure:

What real difference is there...to the written adverts you see in lets say for example Pets at Home...or even some Dog Magazines....people still have to get in touch by phone and physically see the pup to have one in the first place.

surely this is exactly the same as Internet advertising.

and Ill bet maybe some of the older breeders, wouldnt possibly have a clue how to use the internet.

 

[k4tie-d]

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I can understand why potential owners turn to the web these days, but by the same token it's made the search process so much easier, [b)
so much so  that anyone can advertise these days and sell a litter. Catch 22 really[/b] :wacko:

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im not so sure, i look at epupz and the other sites and thing oh my god! i would hate to have a litter of puppys, look what they would have to compete against for the best homes

i think it would put people of more than make them think let have a litter :blink:

 

[Nicola]

I really do feel there has to be a link. Look at Ebay. So many people are having a go at running their own businesses through E-bay now. A friend of ours sells kayaks through Ebay. They'd never have considered this before because they'd never have been able to advertise so cheaply, widely and easily. I'm not knocking this...well done, that's what I say.

But if it can be done for these sort of commodoties, it can be done with dog breeding as well. (w00t) So many peole view the web. It's so easy to mention you have a litter on a website :- " , and get a number of queries as a result. Before you would have had to advertise in a specialised paper/magazine and even then that wasn't a guarantee your litter would get seen. You'd have had to join a breed club and earn your dog merit before a litter would be recommended by a breed club secretary.

I'm honestly not against epupz...I'm glad it's easier for people to find a pup of their chosen breed, I am really. However, all I'm saying is that I feel strongly that there is a link between how easy it is to get your litter seen now , and how many people are having a go at breeding. Yes, you still have to get people to view your litter in person etc, but the initial risk of not being able to sell your pups has been greatly reduced by the sheer fact that you can now show photos of them countrywide with very little effort. Local adverts in shops/local papers wouldn't attract anywhere near the coverage that the web does.

 

[k4tie-d]

I really do feel there has to be a link. Look at Ebay. So many people are having a go at running their own businesses through E-bay now. A friend of ours sells kayaks through Ebay. They'd never have considered this before because they'd never have been able to advertise so cheaply, widely and easily. I'm not knocking this...well done, that's what I say.
But if it can be done for these sort of commodoties, it can be done with dog breeding as well. (w00t)   So many peole view the web. It's so easy to mention you have a litter on a website :- " , and get a number of queries as a result. Before you would have had to advertise in a specialised paper/magazine and even then that wasn't a guarantee your litter would get seen. You'd have had to join a breed club and earn your dog merit before a litter would be recommended by a breed club secretary.

I'm honestly not against epupz...I'm glad it's easier for people to find a pup of their chosen breed, I am really. However, all I'm saying is that I feel strongly that there is a link between how easy it is to get your litter seen now , and how many people are having a go at breeding. Yes, you still have to get people to view your litter in person etc, but the initial risk of not being able to sell your pups has been greatly reduced by the sheer fact that you can now show photos of them countrywide with very little effort. Local adverts in shops/local papers wouldn't attract anywhere near the coverage that the web does.

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i see what you mean now nicola,

i think maybe you are right then. :b

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[davethehorse]

I really do feel there has to be a link. Look at Ebay. So many people are having a go at running their own businesses through E-bay now. A friend of ours sells kayaks through Ebay. They'd never have considered this before because they'd never have been able to advertise so cheaply, widely and easily. I'm not knocking this...well done, that's what I say.
But if it can be done for these sort of commodoties, it can be done with dog breeding as well. (w00t)   So many peole view the web. It's so easy to mention you have a litter on a website :- " , and get a number of queries as a result. Before you would have had to advertise in a specialised paper/magazine and even then that wasn't a guarantee your litter would get seen. You'd have had to join a breed club and earn your dog merit before a litter would be recommended by a breed club secretary.

I'm honestly not against epupz...I'm glad it's easier for people to find a pup of their chosen breed, I am really. However, all I'm saying is that I feel strongly that there is a link between how easy it is to get your litter seen now , and how many people are having a go at breeding. Yes, you still have to get people to view your litter in person etc, but the initial risk of not being able to sell your pups has been greatly reduced by the sheer fact that you can now show photos of them countrywide with very little effort. Local adverts in shops/local papers wouldn't attract anywhere near the coverage that the web does.

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I agree with all of what you have said Nicola - without the web advertising I am sure there wouldnt be anywhere near as many having a go at breeding as there are currently as its made it so much easier to find buyers than would have been the case before the net. However competition to sell is now very high and many I fear will end up with pups they are struggling to sell and where these will eventually end up I dread to think.

I dont have a problem with owners with a bitch trying their hand at breeding as we have done with Kiah but there are probably too many at it now and the bubble will burst quickly if demand for the pups isnt there - we will see but I fear the RSPCA etc will be reporting a big influx of unwanted pups or young dogs soon.

 

[JAX]

I really do feel there has to be a link. Look at Ebay. So many people are having a go at running their own businesses through E-bay now. A friend of ours sells kayaks through Ebay. They'd never have considered this before because they'd never have been able to advertise so cheaply, widely and easily. I'm not knocking this...well done, that's what I say.
But if it can be done for these sort of commodoties, it can be done with dog breeding as well. (w00t)   So many peole view the web. It's so easy to mention you have a litter on a website :- " , and get a number of queries as a result. Before you would have had to advertise in a specialised paper/magazine and even then that wasn't a guarantee your litter would get seen. You'd have had to join a breed club and earn your dog merit before a litter would be recommended by a breed club secretary.

I'm honestly not against epupz...I'm glad it's easier for people to find a pup of their chosen breed, I am really. However, all I'm saying is that I feel strongly that there is a link between how easy it is to get your litter seen now , and how many people are having a go at breeding. Yes, you still have to get people to view your litter in person etc, but the initial risk of not being able to sell your pups has been greatly reduced by the sheer fact that you can now show photos of them countrywide with very little effort. Local adverts in shops/local papers wouldn't attract anywhere near the coverage that the web does.

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I agree with all of what you have said Nicola - without the web advertising I am sure there wouldnt be anywhere near as many having a go at breeding as there are currently as its made it so much easier to find buyers than would have been the case before the net. However competition to sell is now very high and many I fear will end up with pups they are struggling to sell and where these will eventually end up I dread to think.

I dont have a problem with owners with a bitch trying their hand at breeding as we have done with Kiah but there are probably too many at it now and the bubble will burst quickly if demand for the pups isnt there - we will see but I fear the RSPCA etc will be reporting a big influx of unwanted pups or young dogs soon.

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Thats why , if you do breed a litter you should be quite prepared to have a pup back at anytime , if you cant or wont then you shouldnt be breeding at all .Will the majority advertised on Epuz take them back ?

Recently a friend of mine told a top breeder that they would be rehoming a dog bred by them as he wasnt suitable for showing and they thought they would like to know , `Oh we arnt bothered what you do with him once hes gone from us , do what you like with him ` :rant: :rant:

 

[Suzycbee]

I really do feel there has to be a link. Look at Ebay. So many people are having a go at running their own businesses through E-bay now. A friend of ours sells kayaks through Ebay. They'd never have considered this before because they'd never have been able to advertise so cheaply, widely and easily. I'm not knocking this...well done, that's what I say.
But if it can be done for these sort of commodoties, it can be done with dog breeding as well. (w00t)   So many peole view the web. It's so easy to mention you have a litter on a website :- " , and get a number of queries as a result. Before you would have had to advertise in a specialised paper/magazine and even then that wasn't a guarantee your litter would get seen. You'd have had to join a breed club and earn your dog merit before a litter would be recommended by a breed club secretary.

I'm honestly not against epupz...I'm glad it's easier for people to find a pup of their chosen breed, I am really. However, all I'm saying is that I feel strongly that there is a link between how easy it is to get your litter seen now , and how many people are having a go at breeding. Yes, you still have to get people to view your litter in person etc, but the initial risk of not being able to sell your pups has been greatly reduced by the sheer fact that you can now show photos of them countrywide with very little effort. Local adverts in shops/local papers wouldn't attract anywhere near the coverage that the web does.

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I agree with all of what you have said Nicola - without the web advertising I am sure there wouldnt be anywhere near as many having a go at breeding as there are currently as its made it so much easier to find buyers than would have been the case before the net. However competition to sell is now very high and many I fear will end up with pups they are struggling to sell and where these will eventually end up I dread to think.

I dont have a problem with owners with a bitch trying their hand at breeding as we have done with Kiah but there are probably too many at it now and the bubble will burst quickly if demand for the pups isnt there - we will see but I fear the RSPCA etc will be reporting a big influx of unwanted pups or young dogs soon.

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Thats why , if you do breed a litter you should be quite prepared to have a pup back at anytime , if you cant or wont then you shouldnt be breeding at all .Will the majority advertised on Epuz take them back ?

Recently a friend of mine told a top breeder that they would be rehoming a dog bred by them as he wasnt suitable for showing and they thought they would like to know , `Oh we arnt bothered what you do with him once hes gone from us , do what you like with him ` :rant: :rant:

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I can only speak for myself, I have a responsibility for our puppies for their whole life and will take a pup back if their owner can no longer keep them. I won't be posting any more pictures of my puppies on here.

 

[*dejavu*]

Well, when you have total novices breeding their first ever litter & dont frankly have a clue, advertising on here for £650 a pup, which is way above what most reputable show folk that have a wealth of experience would be charging it makes you realise that these sort of sites are nothing more than a money making venture for those that are out to make a quick buck. :- "

 

[June Jonigk]

Well, when you have total novices breeding their first ever litter & dont frankly have a clue, advertising on here for £650 a pup, which is way above what most reputable show folk that have a wealth of experience would be charging it makes you realise that these sort of sites are nothing more than a money making venture for those that are out to make a quick buck.  :- "

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I'm not sure where your information is coming from, but you won't find litters for £650 advertised on here - advertising of puppies is against K9 rules :thumbsup:

 

[June Jonigk]

I really do feel there has to be a link. Look at Ebay. So many people are having a go at running their own businesses through E-bay now. A friend of ours sells kayaks through Ebay. They'd never have considered this before because they'd never have been able to advertise so cheaply, widely and easily. I'm not knocking this...well done, that's what I say.
But if it can be done for these sort of commodoties, it can be done with dog breeding as well. (w00t)   So many peole view the web. It's so easy to mention you have a litter on a website :- " , and get a number of queries as a result. Before you would have had to advertise in a specialised paper/magazine and even then that wasn't a guarantee your litter would get seen. You'd have had to join a breed club and earn your dog merit before a litter would be recommended by a breed club secretary.

I'm honestly not against epupz...I'm glad it's easier for people to find a pup of their chosen breed, I am really. However, all I'm saying is that I feel strongly that there is a link between how easy it is to get your litter seen now , and how many people are having a go at breeding. Yes, you still have to get people to view your litter in person etc, but the initial risk of not being able to sell your pups has been greatly reduced by the sheer fact that you can now show photos of them countrywide with very little effort. Local adverts in shops/local papers wouldn't attract anywhere near the coverage that the web does.

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I agree with all of what you have said Nicola - without the web advertising I am sure there wouldnt be anywhere near as many having a go at breeding as there are currently as its made it so much easier to find buyers than would have been the case before the net. However competition to sell is now very high and many I fear will end up with pups they are struggling to sell and where these will eventually end up I dread to think.

I dont have a problem with owners with a bitch trying their hand at breeding as we have done with Kiah but there are probably too many at it now and the bubble will burst quickly if demand for the pups isnt there - we will see but I fear the RSPCA etc will be reporting a big influx of unwanted pups or young dogs soon.

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Thats why , if you do breed a litter you should be quite prepared to have a pup back at anytime , if you cant or wont then you shouldnt be breeding at all .Will the majority advertised on Epuz take them back ?

Recently a friend of mine told a top breeder that they would be rehoming a dog bred by them as he wasnt suitable for showing and they thought they would like to know , `Oh we arnt bothered what you do with him once hes gone from us , do what you like with him ` :rant: :rant:

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This is the gripe I have with so called "breeders". It gets me that someone can call themselves a breeder - and it's alright for them to breed as a business, to make money. BUT, if someone on here wants to breed one pet litter, because of the love they have for their own dog - they get shouted down as overpopulating the whippet world. It really is double standards sometimes. OK gripe over

 

[Suzycbee]

I really do feel there has to be a link. Look at Ebay. So many people are having a go at running their own businesses through E-bay now. A friend of ours sells kayaks through Ebay. They'd never have considered this before because they'd never have been able to advertise so cheaply, widely and easily. I'm not knocking this...well done, that's what I say.
But if it can be done for these sort of commodoties, it can be done with dog breeding as well. (w00t)   So many peole view the web. It's so easy to mention you have a litter on a website :- " , and get a number of queries as a result. Before you would have had to advertise in a specialised paper/magazine and even then that wasn't a guarantee your litter would get seen. You'd have had to join a breed club and earn your dog merit before a litter would be recommended by a breed club secretary.

I'm honestly not against epupz...I'm glad it's easier for people to find a pup of their chosen breed, I am really. However, all I'm saying is that I feel strongly that there is a link between how easy it is to get your litter seen now , and how many people are having a go at breeding. Yes, you still have to get people to view your litter in person etc, but the initial risk of not being able to sell your pups has been greatly reduced by the sheer fact that you can now show photos of them countrywide with very little effort. Local adverts in shops/local papers wouldn't attract anywhere near the coverage that the web does.

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I agree with all of what you have said Nicola - without the web advertising I am sure there wouldnt be anywhere near as many having a go at breeding as there are currently as its made it so much easier to find buyers than would have been the case before the net. However competition to sell is now very high and many I fear will end up with pups they are struggling to sell and where these will eventually end up I dread to think.

I dont have a problem with owners with a bitch trying their hand at breeding as we have done with Kiah but there are probably too many at it now and the bubble will burst quickly if demand for the pups isnt there - we will see but I fear the RSPCA etc will be reporting a big influx of unwanted pups or young dogs soon.

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Thats why , if you do breed a litter you should be quite prepared to have a pup back at anytime , if you cant or wont then you shouldnt be breeding at all .Will the majority advertised on Epuz take them back ?

Recently a friend of mine told a top breeder that they would be rehoming a dog bred by them as he wasnt suitable for showing and they thought they would like to know , `Oh we arnt bothered what you do with him once hes gone from us , do what you like with him ` :rant: :rant:

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This is the gripe I have with so called "breeders". It gets me that someone can call themselves a breeder - and it's alright for them to breed as a business, to make money. BUT, if someone on here wants to breed one pet litter, because of the love they have for their own dog - they get shouted down as overpopulating the whippet world. It really is double standards sometimes. OK gripe over

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Absolutely I also think that if someone buys a puppy they should look after it for life and not get rid of it because it is "unsuitable" for a certain thing. Its like me deciding to get rid of our little black whippy as his colouring clashes with the dining room carpet after all so he's got to go!!

As regards breeding, well I love my dog and the puppies too and will probably need some sort of psychotherapy when they go to their new homes just to get me over it!

 

[davethehorse]

This is the gripe I have with so called "breeders".  It gets me that someone can call themselves a breeder - and it's alright for them to breed as a business, to make money.  BUT, if someone on here wants to breed one pet litter, because of the love they have for their own dog - they get shouted down as overpopulating the whippet world.  It really is double standards sometimes.  OK gripe over 

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Spot on there June :thumbsup: Over supply usually means one thing - lower prices, which is probably one of the main reasons why they dont like it IMO :thumbsup:

 

[davethehorse]

Well, when you have total novices breeding their first ever litter & dont frankly have a clue, advertising on here for £650 a pup, which is way above what most reputable show folk that have a wealth of experience would be charging it makes you realise that these sort of sites are nothing more than a money making venture for those that are out to make a quick buck.  :- "

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Everyone who breeds a litter has to start somewhere; i.e. have their first litter, I dont agree it means you "dont have a clue" about it, ours is a first litter but we read up, got advice and were well prepared :thumbsup:

 

[whippetsrus]

I found Jinny and Ella on Epupz so I'm glad it exists :thumbsup:
I'm not sure, but I think the objection is that alot of "puppy farmers" tend to use it for advertising their litters :unsure:

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I have no problem with epupz. IMO it is the responsibility of the person purchasing to ensure they ask the right questions and to vet the seller properly. If they are in any doubt they can always walk away.

I don't consider epupz any different than advertising your litter in a shop window or a newspaper and I see plenty of that around. I would imagine with the increase in the number of litters of puppies, generally people have to use as many ways of advertising as possible.

As for the ten week old puppy not going back to is breeder. It does make me cross that they bought the pup in the first place, surely this could have been picked up by the breeder before the dog was purchased. How much vetting was actually done by the breeder. As far as returning him to the breeder was concerned, if I had to re-home one of mine, god forbid, I could not guarantee he would be returned to his breeder. I would want to ensure that the home he went to was suitable and as much as anyone can determine for the rest of his life. In most cases a breeder will not have seen the dog since he was 8 weeks old. Even if they look after it for a period to see what it is like this cannot tell them all the information of the intervening years. The only way I could determine the best outcome for my dog is by doing it myself. When I buy a puppy I purchase it on the principle that it will be with me for the rest of it's life and I am responsible for all its bills and welfare.

Just my opinion.

 

[whippetsrus]

Well, when you have total novices breeding their first ever litter & dont frankly have a clue, advertising on here for £650 a pup, which is way above what most reputable show folk that have a wealth of experience would be charging it makes you realise that these sort of sites are nothing more than a money making venture for those that are out to make a quick buck.  :- "

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I'm not sure where your information is coming from, but you won't find litters for £650 advertised on here - advertising of puppies is against K9 rules :thumbsup:

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Yes it is, but what about when leads are gained when people show their litters of lovely, gorgeous puppies. In a direct sense it is not advertising but then how many sales go through as a result.

 

[Suzycbee]

I found Jinny and Ella on Epupz so I'm glad it exists :thumbsup:
I'm not sure, but I think the objection is that alot of "puppy farmers" tend to use it for advertising their litters :unsure:

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I have no problem with epupz. IMO it is the responsibility of the person purchasing to ensure they ask the right questions and to vet the seller properly. If they are in any doubt they can always walk away.

I don't consider epupz any different than advertising your litter in a shop window or a newspaper and I see plenty of that around. I would imagine with the increase in the number of litters of puppies, generally people have to use as many ways of advertising as possible.

As for the ten week old puppy not going back to is breeder. It does make me cross that they bought the pup in the first place, surely this could have been picked up by the breeder before the dog was purchased. How much vetting was actually done by the breeder. As far as returning him to the breeder was concerned, if I had to re-home one of mine, god forbid, I could not guarantee he would be returned to his breeder. I would want to ensure that the home he went to was suitable and as much as anyone can determine for the rest of his life. In most cases a breeder will not have seen the dog since he was 8 weeks old. Even if they look after it for a period to see what it is like this cannot tell them all the information of the intervening years. The only way I could determine the best outcome for my dog is by doing it myself. When I buy a puppy I purchase it on the principle that it will be with me for the rest of it's life and I am responsible for all its bills and welfare.

Just my opinion.

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I agree with you. Once a puppy is sold it becomes the buyer's property. I would just offer the safety net of taking the pup back if necessary, by so doing I am doing the best I can for the pups. It is our responsibility in the first place to source the best possible homes we can, which should help negate the possibility of a problem later on.

 

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