I Can't Keep Clara Or My Puppy Byron Any More...

[dawn]

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many of us believe what you've said in the second statement - plus many of us think that if people are prepared to pay for a puppy they will value it more, and take better care of it than someone who is looking to get one for nothing.

That is exactly the point I was trying to make Lana. Sorry if it didn't read like that.

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So then, why is Rosalind wrong in asking money for the little fella? She's only doing exactly what we do as breeders.

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A home should be the most important, I am not saying she should not charge for the pup it is the amount she is asking.

As breeders we are used to vetting people when it comes to finding homes for our puppies, when it comes to rehoming dogs or puppies it is a whole different ball game.

The pup has already had 2 homes in its short life and surley to find a happy stable home it what you want not free loaders or time wasters, it is finding the right balance between charging too much and a fee that makes sure he doesnt fall into the wrong hands. A donation to a rescue is a good idea or just a small fee that puts off the free loaders.

 

[Veredon]

The 'Price' thing is a funny Disscussion!

It doesn't bother me when potential new owners of pups ask about price....They are paying a lot of Money and may need time to Organise their Finances to pay for the pup.

On the other hand when I buy stock in (Usually from the same breeder) its one of the fisrt things I ask.Maybe I just couldn't afford one of those pups and it just saves embarrasment later.

I agree with you Aslan.

 

[LasVegasNo1]

From a pet buyers perspective of course price is important. When we were looking for a pup we had to consider the price. We don't have money to burn, but on the other hand we knew we'd be paying out a few hundred for the pup of our choice. We'd done our research and figured we would be paying between £250-£350 for a Whippet pup. However we had all agreed seeing as Alfie would be a family pet between the three of us we would go thirds on him. After location, yes shock horror we wanted to know the price, not how many rosettes the mother/father had achieved or his 'pedigree' because to us that didn't and still doesn't matter. All that mattered was the pup was healthy, happy and his mother & father were the same. Then after visiting the pup and feeling happy about the environment the pup was in we could make our decison.

Reading Rosalind's first post it appears she has rehomed Clara with Scott for free? Hardly the actions of a money-hungry person?? Yet Scott is the first person to have a bash at her?

 

[bardmand]

Is this really just a classic debate over the English being too embarrassed to talk about money when it comes down to it?
People who ask the price first may just want to get the embarrassing bit out of the way - some people are just like that and there are probably cultural differences between different areas of the country anyway; it's the done thing in some situations to get money talk out of the way first, it doesn't necessary mean anything sinister. Anyone who's had a dog before knows that most of the cost is in feeding, vet's bills etc, but we all probably have a special contingency fund for our animals, and like to know how big a dent the purchase is going to make in this, esp. if we have other dogs/cats.

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Being English has nothing to do with it.

Anyone who really wants a whippet should have done the research before enquiring about one so SHOULD know how much they are likely to cost. If a whippet is really the dog for them then the price should not make a difference.

If money is an issue then they should not be contemplating having a dog anyway, we all know the cost of unexpected vets bills.

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As for me, if whippets were priced in the same range as chihuahuas and sphynx cats are in Norway these days, I would have to save up for it, I admit. Not because I would not be able to raise the cash if need be, but because it would be irresponsible of me, as it would make it harder for me to find the money for vet insurance, quality food etc.

So, yes, in my case money is an issue to a certain extent. I'm sorry if that disqualifies me as a pet owner in your eyes, fortunately there are others who think otherwise.

 

[LasVegasNo1]

It doesn't bother me when potential new owners of pups ask about price....They are paying a lot of Money and may need time to Organise their Finances to pay for the pup.

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Exactly Ozzy we had to have the money ready in the bank before we collected Alfie, we didn't just have it lying around the house!

 

[anslinmcg]

He has had all his vaccinations, and has almost finished his course of worming tablets, and is microchipped (I can supply the documentation for transferral of registered owner) and we would throw in some of his favourite toys and things- but to cover the costs of these, and bearing in mind we paid £250 for him only 7 weeks ago, plus we have paid for his vets' consultations, jabs & worming tablets we would really need to be paid a similar £250 by the new owner.

Having watched the whole sorry situation all day, I would like to say that £250+ for all the jabs, chipping etc can be a lot of money for some people, I know have been there. But if someone is prepared to pay Ros and give Byron a good loving home what is the issue here?? Unless we know peoples financial situation should we comment on whether they want or need to recover the money.

Clara has been given away and no doubt there is a lot of sadness in this move.

I can understand everyone's views, but at the end of the day there is a little puppy who needs a new home...............

 

[BeeJay]

>As breeders we are used to vetting people when it comes to finding homes for our puppies, when it comes to rehoming dogs or puppies it is a whole different ball game.

Why? Isn't it the same thing.

Dawn you said this earlier. So why doesn't it apply to this pup. Just because his first owners can't keep him anymore doesn't mean that he should be cheaper. There is nothing wrong with him. Everything that you said below still stands surely. Then you were linking good homes with ability to pay the running costs of a dog.

>Anyone who really wants a whippet should have done the research before enquiring about one so SHOULD know how much they are likely to cost. If a whippet is really the dog for them then the price should not make a difference.

If money is an issue then they should not be contemplating having a dog anyway, we all know the cost of unexpected vets bills.

 

[Rosalind]

I am very sorry if I have offended anybody- but please note, I am not just concerned with the money (if I came across that way in my post, then I apologise, but I was typing it very late at night, and looking back at the post, there are several things I would have changed or rephrased.)

Firstly, I did ask Jill, who owns Byron's mum, if she could have him back, but as you know, Jill's lurcher Jack died recently, and her remaining 2 whippets Buffy (Byron's mum) and Toby (Byron's litter brother) are still adapting to the new situation, so we agreed that she could not take Byron. Yes, Susan said she could collect Byron, but I was under the impression that this was a suggestion, as I never actually spoke to Susan myself, no date had been set and no arrangements were made. I honestly didn't realise that Susan expected to find a new home for Byron herself, which is why I wrote what I did here on K9. Incidentally, I have never been in contact with Susan except for sending her some photos for a whippet magazine.

A lot of you have condemned me for mentioning money, so please let me explain why I did so. We (my parents and me) have spent at least a couple of hundred pounds on Byron- not including the £250 that we paid Jill. My parents are both pensioners, and I have never been able to work because I have several different long-term illnesses, so I live solely on state disability benefits, which are paltry. Byron was paid for with money that we had saved up, and that is why we decided to mention the subject of payment in my post. The £250 mentioned is an "ideal" amount, set so that nobody tries to get hold of Byron on a whim, because if we had said "free to a good home", then someone out there might just have seen my post and thought that if a puppy was going for free, then they might decide to offer to take him on the spur of the moment, with no prior thought. (I don't mean that there are "shady" characters here as regulars on K9 who would do that, but we all know that people are often directed here from Google or whatever, who just want a puppy- any puppy- there and then.) If the prospective new owner(s) are absolutely ideal, then of course we wouldn't say "no"- we'd work something out with them! If we can recoup some of the money that we paid, then great- but if not, and Byron gets a loving home, then that's OK too. The money is not the issue- it would just be helpful.

Some of you have queried why we took Byron on in the first place, since Daisy and Clara had had fights before. Just to clarify this, Daisy and Clara did have fights before Byron arrived, yes, but there were only a couple of fights in the last 4 years or so, (before the recent problems, and the arrival of Byron,) and the rest of the time they absolutely loved each other, and were the best of friends. When we decided to take on Byron, they had lived in peaceful domestic bliss for nearly 3 years, so we had no reason to think that there would be any problems. In fact, when Clara went to live on a trial basis with Jo and Scott last week, Daisy was upset and pining for her sister, despite the fact that they would try and kill each other if left together, and that Clara had inflicted serious wounds on Daisy!

I hope that this post has clarified some of the issues, and that those who have been angry with me realise that myself and my parents are not money-obsessed monsters, just people looking for a good home for Byron, who live on a tight budget. A big "thank you" goes out to everyone who has been understanding and supportive of our situation.

Update! We have just had an offer of a home for Byron from a member of K9, and we have agreed that they are just what Byron needs! I am not going to say who they are just yet, but they are going to get in touch with me tonight to properly talk it through, and I will let you know what's going on when everything has been decided!

 

[Veredon]

[SIZE=14pt]The very best of :luck: :luck: to Byron in his new Home.[/SIZE]

 

[LasVegasNo1]

That's great news Rosalind :thumbsup:

I'm sure nearly everyone on K9 has either bought or sold a puppy so I really can't understand the fuss? (w00t)

I hope all goes well with this secret K9'er :teehee: and we get to see Byron in his new home soon :huggles:

 

[Janimal]

It doesn't bother me when potential new owners of pups ask about price....They are paying a lot of Money and may need time to Organise their Finances to pay for the pup.

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Exactly Ozzy we had to have the money ready in the bank before we collected Alfie, we didn't just have it lying around the house!

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Yes I definitely asked the price from Breeders when I rang looking for a puppy - some of them were well over £450 and I didnt want to pay that sort of money - I think its only natural to ask the price for a puppy when you are wanting to buy one --- its like anything you would buy - something in your price range.

Anyway I hope Byron finds a lovely new home soon - Good Luck Rosalind. :luck: :thumbsup:

 

[BeeJay]

Fingers crossed that whoever it is will turn out to be the perfect forever home for Byron.

 

[*Lesley*]

If as breeders we gave our pups away Lesley who knows where they would end up. Some people would take anything for free and sell it on, choose how nice they sounded. God knows where they would end up, at least if we charge for them people who are out to make a quick buck would think twice.We always vet our potential new owners thoroughly and if we had any doubts about them they would not be having one of our pups. If for any reason they do need to rehome a dog we have bred, it is written into our puppy contracts that it comes back to us. Responsible breeders take responsibilty for the dogs they have bred for the duration of the dogs life.

Well said Dawn I think you sum it up perfectly.

anyway i've got a transit I paid £4500 for 2 years ago I now dont want it so i'm just off to get my money back from the dealer armed with the replys to this thread from K9 members, i'm sure after reading them the dealer will feel sorry for me and give me a full refund! come on wake up everyone and join the real world.

I can't help wondering why scott was so annoyed this morning??? He has helped this lady out so knows the situation and says he has bitten his tongue for long enough so maybe he knows more of what has been going on than the rest of us.I don't know scott personally but he dosn't strike me as the sort of guy who would be so abrubt without good reason????

precisley

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Actually as I hope dawn already knows and as helen said I am not suggesting that breeders give their puppies away what i am saying if my post was read properly is that if money was unimportant there would be no charge for pups they would just go to good homes through a vetting process surely, When I got callie I paid the top end price for her and had no idea that 2 days later i would be getting Sienna which I skint myself to do by the way, because contrary to popular belief we are not all priveledged to be able to buy something (even if we really want it )without checking our bank balance first.

You dissapoint me Mark thats's a typical Breeder talking,I mean come on who's being unrealistic now, you can hardly liken a living animal to a transit van, do whippets depriciate in value because the unfortunate owners circumstances force them to rehome them?

Not all breeders follow their pups progress and I don't think they would all be happy to get them back and I am sure they wouldn't give them away if they did

I think some of us have missed the point of what Rosalind must be going through even if there is more to this she is still losing her lovely pets, put yourself in her shoes and have a bit of compassion, and try reading her posts and seeing the pictures she has put on before this unfortunate turn of events to see if she will be upset about this

 

[Rosalind]

Reading Rosalind's first post it appears she has rehomed Clara with Scott for free? Hardly the actions of a money-hungry person?? Yet Scott is the first person to have a bash at her?

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Yes, Clara has been rehomed with Jo and Scott for free, plus at the moment, we are still paying for Clara's insurance, regular heart medication and vets' fees. I am really sorry that Scott feels so angry with me, but he knows our situation, and he also knows that my parents are living off meagre pensions, and that I am disabled and unable to work, so I feel that maybe he was a bit too quick to comment.However, seeing as Scott and Jo are having a really hard time due to the trouble with Diesel, I will not hold it against him at all. I know how I feel when any of my pets are ill.

I hope that this isn't going to affect our friendship with Jo.

 

[Joanna]

I am really pleased that Byron has found a new home.Hope all goes well for your future and the little mans. Best wishes for a speedy recovery for Daisy.

With regard to your original post, I think some-times it is wiser to not to put sensitive details on an open forum. A brief out-line of the situation and your contact details may have been more tactful and less embarassing for you, Jill and Susan. You have also posted a lot of info about Scott and Jo which they may not appreciate Hind-sight is a wonderful thing :thumbsup:

 

[Mark Roberts]

You dissapoint me Mark thats's a typical Breeder talking,I mean come on who's being unrealistic now, you can hardly liken a living animal to a transit van, do whippets depriciate in value because the unfortunate owners circumstances force them to rehome them?

Yes they do loose value "thats a fact of life" no one is going to pay the price of an 8 week old pup for an older pup or adult dog. (that is a fact)

As for the typicle breeder talking comment? well all I can say is you realy must get to know me better? anything I write is factual from experiance not emotional.

Not all breeders follow their pups progress and I don't think they would all be happy to get them back and I am sure they wouldn't give them away if they did

As you know we do follow the progress of pups we breed and are always willing to take a pup back or find it a suitable home if need be (as we have done in the past) and yes some breeders WILL pass an older pup/adult they have taken back free to a suitable home (as we also done in the past)

Ok not all breeders would but thats not the issue in this thread is it? the issue was should an owner expect to recoup all their cost if they are selling a pup on which they have purchased and then for what ever reason no longer want or are able to keep, and the truthfull/realistic answer is NO! they cant.

 

[*Lesley*]

I am really pleased that Byron has found a new home.Hope all goes well for your future and the little mans. Best wishes for a speedy recovery for Daisy.
With regard to your original post, I think some-times it is wiser to not to put sensitive details on an open forum. A brief out-line of the situation and your contact details may have been more tactful and less embarassing for you, Jill and Susan. You have also posted a lot of info about Scott and Jo which they may not appreciate   Hind-sight is a wonderful thing :thumbsup:

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Why should Rosalind be embarrassed the embarrassing thing is the way the whippet police acted on this forum :angry:

 

[LasVegasNo1]

As I  have stated before, I have no wish to be brutal, but it is fairly obvious that some of Rosalind's post was inappropriate, and led to this whole episode turning into a row.

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I didn't find any of Rosalinds post inappropriate, what I did find inappropriate was the following post which was extremely insensitive in the circumstances.

 

[~Helen~]

If Byron has a home, and it looks like he does HURRAY! then perhaps this thread should be closed and the discussion taken to a new thread. This one has been well and truly hijacked by a discussion about money - which is fine, and very interesting from my point of view because it's fascinating and enlightening to see both sides. But surely this isn't the right place.

edited to say I removed the rubbish "joke" :- "

 

[Susan]

Im glad Byron has a nice new home,,,Yes I know who is getting him,,but cant say yet :- " .

Jill bred a bonny litter of pup's, put her heart and sole into everyone,,,gave them the best start in life and get's slatted for the price. People seem to forget the strain and money that goes into breeding a litter of pup's,,,Saying nomore