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Nina true to form! how many years you been breeding igs sorry forgot youve already told us a zillion times why have you started to put smilies on the end of your insults but you are getting better last time you called me a "moronic cabbage"






I've not changed my opinion, just wish you were clued up about what you posted about beforehand as its sooo boring dealing with these posts.

Carry on tho Masta, guess you have the "entertainment value" (w00t)
 
nina said:
Nina true to form! how many years you been breeding igs sorry forgot youve already told us a zillion times why have you started to put smilies on the end of your insults but you are getting better last time you called me a "moronic cabbage"

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I've not changed my opinion, just wish you were clued up about what you posted about beforehand as its sooo boring dealing with these posts.

Carry on tho Masta, guess you have the "entertainment value" (w00t)





He cooks a mean BBQ :thumbsup:

Here here ;)
 
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nina said:
Nina true to form! how many years you been breeding igs sorry forgot youve already told us a zillion times why have you started to put smilies on the end of your insults but you are getting better last time you called me a "moronic cabbage"

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I've not changed my opinion, just wish you were clued up about what you posted about beforehand as its sooo boring dealing with these posts.

Carry on tho Masta, guess you have the "entertainment value" (w00t)





i think ive won you over

:clown: :clown: :clown:
 
come on nina,we all know you love intelligent conversation.ooops,sorry there was me getting masta mixed up with albert einstein :oops:
 
masta;what would it take to get a little kiss from you?

nina:chloroform o:)
 
Okay. these are the health problems in question:

"PRA: This disease causes blindness in affected IGs between 3-5 years old. PRA is a recessive disease so it is possible to breed two healthy IGs together and still produce a PRA positive offspring. This means that responsible breeders must not only test the parents' eye health, but also study and research the pedigrees behind the prospective parents to minimize the risk of combining two high probability carriers.

There are many other eye problems that are widespread among all the dog breeds. IGs used for breeding should have an annual exam done by a veterinary ophthalmologist (this is an eye specialist - an exam done by a normal veterinary surgeon is not sufficient evidence to clear an IG for breeding).

Autoimmune Thyroiditis: This condition is very widespread amongst all dog breeds; the IG is no exception. Thyroid and thyroid hormone malfunction can cause a vast array of medical complaints in the IG. Not much is known about the inheritance of this disease and there are contributing environmental and stress factors but fortunately we now have a good blood test (TgAA) that is able to diagnose this condition before clinical symptoms become obvious.

Patella Luxation: This condition refers to dislocating knee caps in the hind legs. There are various grades of patella luxation but all are an unsoundness. IGs used for breeding should have sound patellas determined by a veterinary exam.

Seizures: We don't know what causes these. There are different types, can range from mild to severe, and they may have multiple causes. Unfortunately, there are no pre-breeding diagnostic tests for this problem and it is widespread throughout the gene pool. Obviously no IG with a history of seizures should be bred.

Fractures: It is possible that most IGs fracture by accident rather than as the result of a genetic disorder. Young IGs don't know their own limitations and even the healthiest, sturdiest IG can fracture. However, some unfortunate IGs seem to have extra fragile legs; the legs may have trouble healing and they may rebreak easily even with the best of care. We don't know why this is. It is possible there is a genetic basis for this problem."

PRA, though not unknown in whippets is thankfully rare; ditto luxating patellas and seizures. There is thought to be a genetic component to IG fractures, but I cannot see that crossing with whippets would exaccerbate this. Autoimmune disease; the test they mention only identifies anti-thyroid antibodies before symptoms, it does not identify the genetic component, so carriers will be missed anyway. So, apart from personal distaste, I cannot see why such a out cross could be anything other than beneficial to these puppies health quite frankly. We are lucky in whippets to have a healthy breed that has historically had a wide genepool, in which extreme linebreeding has not been widely practiced until recently; it's a shame that the same cannot be said of Iggies. By the time a breed needs costly health screening it is in genetic freefall :(
 
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Okay. these are the health problems in question:
"PRA: This disease causes blindness in affected IGs between 3-5 years old.  PRA is a recessive disease so it is possible to breed two healthy IGs together and still produce a PRA positive offspring. This means that responsible breeders must not only test the parents' eye health, but also study and research the pedigrees behind the prospective parents to minimize the risk of combining two high probability carriers.

There are many other eye problems that are widespread among all the dog breeds.  IGs used for breeding should have an annual exam done by a veterinary ophthalmologist (this is an eye specialist - an exam done by a normal veterinary surgeon is not sufficient evidence to clear an IG for breeding).

Autoimmune Thyroiditis:  This condition is very widespread amongst all dog breeds; the IG is no exception.  Thyroid and thyroid hormone malfunction can cause a vast array of medical complaints in the IG. Not much is known about the inheritance of this disease and there are contributing environmental and stress factors but fortunately we now have a good blood test (TgAA) that is able to diagnose this condition before clinical symptoms become obvious. 

Patella Luxation:  This condition refers to dislocating knee caps in the hind legs.  There are various grades of patella luxation but all are an unsoundness. IGs used for breeding should have sound patellas determined by a veterinary exam.

Seizures:  We don't know what causes these.  There are different types, can range from mild to severe, and they may have multiple causes.  Unfortunately, there are no pre-breeding diagnostic tests for this problem and it is widespread throughout the gene pool.  Obviously no IG with a history of seizures should be bred.

Fractures:    It is possible that most IGs fracture by accident rather than as the result of a genetic disorder.  Young IGs don't know their own limitations and even the healthiest, sturdiest IG can fracture.  However, some unfortunate IGs seem to have extra fragile legs; the legs may have trouble healing and they may rebreak easily even with the best of care.  We don't know why this is.  It is possible there is a genetic basis for this problem."

PRA, though not unknown in whippets is thankfully rare; ditto luxating patellas and seizures. There is thought to be a genetic component to IG fractures, but I cannot see that crossing with whippets would exaccerbate this. Autoimmune disease; the test they mention only identifies anti-thyroid antibodies before symptoms, it does not identify the genetic component, so carriers will be missed anyway. So, apart from personal distaste, I cannot see why such a out cross could be anything other than beneficial to these puppies health quite frankly. We are lucky in whippets to have a healthy breed that has historically had a wide genepool, in which extreme linebreeding has not been widely practiced until recently; it's a shame that the same cannot be said of Iggies. By the time a breed needs costly health screening it is in genetic freefall  :(

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Well you obviously know very little about IG's.

Good guesses for run of the mill breeds, keeep researching :thumbsup:
 
Well Nina, if you know so much, inform us? Please as much technical medical detail as you have, in all seriousness. We are all here to be educated :thumbsup:
 
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You have missed the 3 main things that only serious breeders would everr know about.

You have quoted crap that relates to many breeds.

This is what i mean when i say know what you are talking about & know your lines.
 
nina said:
You have quoted crap that relates to many breeds.

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Well, ItalianGreyhound.org quotes crap as well then, and adds some more crap about Von Willebrands and Liver shunts, sorry left those out. Again, not diseases found that often in whippets so unlikely you're doubling up on them.

italian greyhound breeding ethics

Still waiting for you to inform us, I didn't realise it was a guessing game.

Funny how you have to resort to insult when someone disagrees with your view. Sorry, you do that every time though don't you...
 
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Hun, i'm not insulting anyone just saying until you know what the hell you are talking about best shut the f*** up rather than look any more of a prat :thumbsup:
 
nina said:
Hun, i'm not insulting anyone just saying until you know what the hell you are talking about best shut the f*** up rather than look any more of a prat  :thumbsup:
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How charming of you to prove my point so eloquently...
 
Well you know what i said about entertainment value, ................carry on (w00t)
 
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