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[Strike Whippets]

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How many litters do any of you think is ok in a rough 12 - 18 month period from 1 breeder .......Just being nosy and all, Hannah ........

 

[lalena]

one!! more than that really runs a bitch down

 

[conway]

one!! more than that really runs a bitch down

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i agree :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

:cheers: ......I bred from my girl twice in this period but Inca was in top condition befor I ever did the second mating ............I would also like to know though ........How many litters do you think 1 small breeder should have as an average over a year or so (being it from different bitches and all) ???? ..........

 

[lalena]

one to two, really.anyone sensible wont flood the market, so to speak. many people breed when they want for themselves, and have homes lined up for the 'surplus' before even mating their bitches. breeding lots of litters is bad for any breed its harder to find so many good homes when large numbers of pups are being bred. this means that either the breeder faces taking back several pups, or the breeder wont, which means that these pups end up in rescue or worse

 

[Strike Whippets]

one to two, really.anyone sensible wont flood the market, so to speak. many people breed when they want for themselves, and have homes lined up for the 'surplus' before even mating their bitches. breeding lots of litters is bad for any breed   its harder to find so many good homes when large numbers of pups are being bred. this means that either the breeder faces taking back several pups, or the breeder wont, which means that these pups end up in rescue or worse

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I totally agree and did the same ......bred from Inca as I wanted a pup (I do have other bitches but they wern't suitable for breeding)...........I've only ever bred 2 litters in my life and kept 2 out of each litter as intended ...........I'm not looking at having another litter for about 4 years, but theres always a few people who bang out the puppies .........Just really wanted to know what people thought was an exceptable number of litters 1 breeder could have in a short amount of time .........I personally think as you said 1-2 litters that have been bred for a puppy to keep forever........... :thumbsup:

 

[lalena]

thats it, isnt it :thumbsup: a lot of people dont even bother to think about things, like is their bitch worth breeding from to begin with, or whether a stud, no matter how good he is, is the right one for that bitch to breed to the best of your ability, you have to consider these things. research family history, health problems etc, getting your girl as fit as possible, feeding her through pregnancy, while nursing a litter, and what of worming, jabs? is the dam up to date with these? or socialisation for the litter? imo, if you put that much effort in to a litter, you get buyers who will care for them as much as you do if you dont put the effort in, you get buyers who wont either

 

[Vicky]

Not just in ped whippets but other breeds too.

Some people are just obsessed with breeding, that's all there is to it - give em enough rope they'll hang themselves!

Remember - "Quality over Quantity"!!!!!!

 

[Strike Whippets]

thats it, isnt it :thumbsup: a lot of people dont even bother to think about things, like is their bitch worth breeding from to begin with, or whether a stud, no matter how good he is, is the right one for that bitch   to breed to the best of your ability, you have to consider these things. research family history, health problems etc, getting your girl as fit as possible, feeding her through pregnancy, while nursing a litter, and what of worming, jabs? is the dam up to date with these? or socialisation for the litter? imo, if you put that much effort in to a litter, you get buyers who will care for them as much as you do if you dont put the effort in, you get buyers who wont either

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Your right again .......Some people don't see this ..........Both of my litters were sooooo well socialised and the pedigrees reserched to the point of .......well obsession .......In our first litter we went to a dog who tied in with Inca, but was slower but he added the things Inca was lacking (like he ran lol) .........(oh and to top it all off Obi's Black :wub: .....PERFECT lol) ........Her 2nd litter was also line bred etc ...............They were near enough house trained at 5-6 weeks old ......Though it was knackering for Chris and myself we gave the pups our all -_- ......I've enjoyed raising both litters, and its fab seeing the puppies as they grow still being pleased to see us :huggles: :wub:

 

[Strike Whippets]

Not just in ped whippets but other breeds too.Some people are just obsessed with breeding, that's all there is to it - give em enough rope they'll hang themselves!

Remember - "Quality over Quantity"!!!!!!

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Your correct ........Lets hope they hang themselves though ........Who needs puppy farmers?? ...........Plus quality is sooooo much better than quantity :thumbsup:

 

[kim & Tilly]

I would really like to breed from Bean when she is 2/3, depending ofcourse on whether the time would be right so i could give all the time needed to bring the pups up right.

I would speak with Paul (beans Breeder) and see if he had any thoughts on which stud would be good for her, by then i would have an idea if she is any good at racing and stuff....make sure i had homes lined up and would keep a pup

I would only ever have one litter though

What do others think about people like me breeding?????

 

[wild whippies]

My own opinion is to ask yourself what is the purpose of you breeding a litter? Seeing as though the future offspring may contribute to the genepool of the breed I think it's imperative that you strive for the best quality, as Vicky has already stated. But also you are at the end of the day putting your dog at risk so I feel you should have personal justification for breeding your dog. When I say this I mean you yourself wish for a puppy from the litter for the purpose you feel fit as in racing / showing / pet etc. IMO if you don't keep a pup, then as a potential buyer, I would see that what's not good enough for you isn't good enough for me either.

I should add that I did breed a litter from my non KC reg bitch Buffy, my reasons being was that she would not tolerate another dog and I dearly wanted a dog for myself (Buffy was technically my ex-partners). My agenda was to produce a pet quality dog for myself and I also had homes waiting with 2 close friends and a relative. I kept 3 of the pups myself, and I feel most of the Ginpit would agree that they have turned out to be good club dogs in their own right both for racing and for training with other race bred dogs and most of all, both me and Buffy are very happy with them.

Finally, I did not want the other pups to be bred from in the future, their owners are of the same opinion but ironically the lack of KC papers probably guarantees this.

 

[~whitecross whippets~]

i agree....all puppy farmers should be shut down :angry:

puppy farmers in my opinion are breeders whose only interest is in making money! the welfare of their dogs is not important at all and they are not interested in the quality of the pups and in any problems after selling....

luckily both my pups are from great breeders who have given me lovely dogs and i know they are there night and day if i needed their advice even now :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

I agree with you Jacs ........Puppies should only be bred if the breeder actually feels they are A) booked/wanted puppies B) will improve their lines C) if the breeder dosn't keep 1 from that litter I really would queston WHY they bred that particular litter :thumbsup: ......but I guess there are always exceptions to the rule .......I hate nothing more though than seeing nearly full litters advertised in papers or say Epupz (sp never go on there) etc ......Knowing that the litter of puppies were bred first and homes considered afterwards

 

[Strike Whippets]

i agree....all puppy farmers should be shut down :angry: puppy farmers in my opinion are breeders whose only interest is in making money! the welfare of their dogs is not important at all and they are not interested in the quality of the pups and in any problems after selling....

luckily both my pups are from great breeders who have given me lovely dogs and i know they are there night and day if i needed their advice even now :thumbsup:

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I agree ALL puppy farmers should be shut down ........NAMED AND SHAMED is what I say ...........Glad you have dogs from such great breeders :thumbsup: .............I love nothing more than finding out about the pups I've bred most weeks ........Its great to have FULL contact with ALL of the owners of my pups and I love seeing all of the photos as they grow .........I do know of some breeders who have never made contact with the owners of puppies they've sold though

 

[~whitecross whippets~]

i agree....all puppy farmers should be shut down :angry: puppy farmers in my opinion are breeders whose only interest is in making money! the welfare of their dogs is not important at all and they are not interested in the quality of the pups and in any problems after selling....

luckily both my pups are from great breeders who have given me lovely dogs and i know they are there night and day if i needed their advice even now :thumbsup:

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I agree ALL puppy farmers should be shut down ........NAMED AND SHAMED is what I say ...........Glad you have dogs from such great breeders :thumbsup: .............I love nothing more than finding out about the pups I've bred most weeks ........Its great to have FULL contact with ALL of the owners of my pups and I love seeing all of the photos as they grow .........I do know of some breeders who have never made contact with the owners of puppies they've sold though

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good idea :thumbsup: unfortunately though i dont know any! :lol:

its a shame that some owners do not keep in contact with the breeder....but im lucky i suppose...even today i was asked for an update on one of my pups

 

[Roedeane]

From the other side of the coin ,when I have bought in a pup it's upsetting to find out that the breeder you thought cared doesn't want to know about any of the pups' show wins etc. I love hearing about the pups I breed for the whole of their lives :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

From the other side of the coin ,when I have bought in a pup it's upsetting to find out that the breeder you thought cared doesn't want to know about any of the pups' show wins etc. I love hearing about the pups I breed for the whole of their lives :thumbsup:

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I can imagine thats horrible ......Makes you wonder why they bred if they don't want to know how their pups go on and what they achieve .............

 

[beaker]

when i bred my last litter they wanted for nothing,

everything was planned down nearly a year beforehand, pedigree's researched in detail, (the pairing was an out cross so i needed as much knowledge of what was behind these dogs as possible).

i made sure the bitch's vaccinations and wormings were timed so as to offer as much protection to the pups as possible,

she had a worming program through her pregnancy,

i had large stocks of food, spanky new whelping box set up in my bedroom, enough vetbed to line the house, a medical kit any vet would be proud of, whelpi, colostrum, dopram, nutri drops, heating mats etc etc.

when the pups arrived i was still as nervous and excited as i was was when i first helped pups into the world when i was seven and helping my aunty whelp her springers.

seven pups were born easily and all were healthy, mum was fine and my friends nursemaid bitch who had helped raise lots of other dogs pups was put on stand down.

i had vetted the new owners as carefully as i could and all pups had been picked out by their owners at four weeks old. when the time came for them to leave they went with 2, 20kilo sacks of james wellbeloved, advice sheets,codes of conduct, bedding, toys,collars, coats, photographs of their siblings and their parents, lists of breed clubs, racing clubs and training venues local to them that i had pre researched, vet health certificates, insurance, wormers, they had been chipped and i had given them a tattoo voucher. i delivered the pups myself and they went with the assurance that i would always be on hand to help with anything during the pups life and that i would always take them back at any time.

all owners barring the two knob heads from liverpool have been great and all their pups are living happy lives, they have just had their fourth birthday and cards and pressies were exchanged.

If only i had had that crystal ball to warn me from the two knob heads :angry: i thought my babies were going to go to loving families, i even offered twice the purchase price to get them back when i realised they had lied.

the point of all this is that you can be the most caring cautious breeder, put everything you have into a litter but end up feeling like you failed completely.

it doesn't matter if you breed once every 10 years or once every 10 months, if you don't make sure your pups have everything, including decent new homes you shouldn't be breeding.

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

So what does constitute a puppy farmer? How many litters per year qualify? We once had 4 pups sold before we even went to the dog. We sold the last of them (from a litter of 6) at nearly 6 month's old. The potential owners all backed out. We weren't helped by an "expert" telling some of them b&w dogs "do nothing". True you should breed for quality but does every quality dog get it's just rewards? As the saying goes you know a dogs potential when it's won a couple of opens or a CC or two. Every mating is to some extent a leap of faith, anyone who tells you a 5 week old pup is going to be special is a fool or a liar. I usually promise they'll pee on the carpet & chew your best pair of shoes.

Terry Smth