Loss Of Forty Pound Class

[wild whippies]

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By an extra class, do people mean another class somewhere between 40 and 55lb? I can see the sense in that and it's more cost effective with regards to trophies in the short term. I honestly don't know who put the.proposal through but I have noticed in recent times it's been one ht for 40's and sometimes 4 x no limits.Thing is, if it's all gone through it'll be hard to overturn unless an overwhelming majority can be shown at AGM or the cost implication to the BWRA?

Can't help but feel this is a matter of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted for those who feel strongly about it. I don't mind to be honest and the rule certainly will effect us.

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or feels more like 40 to 45 then up to 55??????????

Don't know David. If an extra class was introduced it would need to be somewhere in the middle like 48lb? Clashes with the NNWRF though. Trying to split 23lb (32lb to 55lb) equally either between 3 or 4 classes whilst maintaining the current scratch classes just won't go. Plus the fact weight over bigger dogs becomes less of a physical discrepancy when you look at the dogs and I'd think it was only fair for that too to be put into the equation.

Like I said, I do think the 55lb / No Limit class was getting big compared to the 40lb and 36lb classes and it makes sense to equalise the competition between scratch dogs. Whether altering the 40lb class to 45lb or adding another class, the outcome is similar in that they should be equally competitive which is why I didn't have a strong opinion on the matter either way.

Height wise, Avit was probably an extremely small 40lber but what he lost in height he made up for in width and length of back. Even so his ideal racing weight was never 40lb. I do feel for you because it is frustrating, especially when you feel compelled to withdraw for your own dogs safety. BUT fact is these weight rules can change over time to suit the majority and we're all just privy to luck on whether our dogs ideal racing weights fit in with the classes available.

 

[wild whippies]

By an extra class, do people mean another class somewhere between 40 and 55lb? I can see the sense in that and it's more cost effective with regards to trophies in the short term. I honestly don't know who put the.proposal through but I have noticed in recent times it's been one ht for 40's and sometimes 4 x no limits.Thing is, if it's all gone through it'll be hard to overturn unless an overwhelming majority can be shown at AGM or the cost implication to the BWRA?

Can't help but feel this is a matter of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted for those who feel strongly about it. I don't mind to be honest and the rule certainly will effect us.

You know me Jac,don't agree in overturning a majoritys vote.It's been voted in therefore it should stand.

Everyyear we all have a discussion on the proposals,and what went through etc,and as we all know there is a reps meeting to discuss the proposals.We can't expect reps to know our reaction to if we think a proposal should or could be altered or for that matter an alternetive proposal going out to the membership to vote on.Maybe we ought to know what the proposals are before the vote and then if an alternative is thought of this can be put forward to the rep who inturn could let the commitee know.Then possibly an alternative could go to the vote also.Just a thought

lol bloody hell Karen when should we start doing this in may to be voted on in nov !!

lol! She has got a point though. Seen lots of heated debates on here well after a decision has been made.

What I think would be sensible is for people to post their proposals on an open forum like K9 prior to submitting them. It would save a lot of hassle because any flaws that have been overlooked could be given a better chance of being highlighted. It would help Reps is demonstrating or arguing whether a proposal is workable or not and anyone considering submitting the proposal would have a better insight into whether it was worth their effort.

Not everyone can travel to meetings but internet access is avilable to the masses through either their homes, mobile phones, local libraries, friends etc.

It's not like we don't know who puts proposals through or who seconds them etc anyway so it's not like there's a need for anonyminity.

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

maybe if more people had returned there proposal votes thing might of been different.
301 sent 153 returned, poor return a smidge over 50% very poor response.

but the folks that did take time to return this issue still had 3 to 1 for.

it will suit some folks,and wont others.

but its impossible to please everyone :wacko:

the fed do yd lb up to 35, i did ask if a 36 scr could be introduced. but they they think be to much up to 35, 36scr, 40 . (so he only races fed champs).

our bentley is 35 wouldnt run him ydlb , as i like to keep him scr . +he wouldnt have a hope in hell in catching 31 lber. think there will be more folks like myself with a 35lber :thumbsup:

well said dave if you dont vote you dont have a say.

would be interesting to see how many of the 153 that were scr racers

your right john if you dont vote you dont have a say BUT IF YOU RECEIVE NO POSTAL VOTE FORMS HOW DO U VOTE AS IM SURE THIS HAS HAPPENED. (w00t)

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

maybe if more people had returned there proposal votes thing might of been different.
301 sent 153 returned, poor return a smidge over 50% very poor response.

but the folks that did take time to return this issue still had 3 to 1 for.

it will suit some folks,and wont others.

but its impossible to please everyone :wacko:

the fed do yd lb up to 35, i did ask if a 36 scr could be introduced. but they they think be to much up to 35, 36scr, 40 . (so he only races fed champs).

our bentley is 35 wouldnt run him ydlb , as i like to keep him scr . +he wouldnt have a hope in hell in catching 31 lber. think there will be more folks like myself with a 35lber :thumbsup:

BUT DID ALL MEMBERS RECIEVE A FORM. :teehee: :teehee:

 

[JOHNG]

if 1 or 2 scratch racers put them selves forward as reps then things like this could be discussed at the reps meeting, i would be willing to stand down for our region if anyone is interested, ( we can only do what we think is right ) :thumbsup:

from what i can see on here there is only a couple of scr racers that are against it

like i say if you dont vote you have no say.

 

[DavidH]

maybe if more people had returned there proposal votes thing might of been different.
301 sent 153 returned, poor return a smidge over 50% very poor response.

but the folks that did take time to return this issue still had 3 to 1 for.

it will suit some folks,and wont others.

but its impossible to please everyone :wacko:

the fed do yd lb up to 35, i did ask if a 36 scr could be introduced. but they they think be to much up to 35, 36scr, 40 . (so he only races fed champs).

our bentley is 35 wouldnt run him ydlb , as i like to keep him scr . +he wouldnt have a hope in hell in catching 31 lber. think there will be more folks like myself with a 35lber :thumbsup:

BUT DID ALL MEMBERS RECIEVE A FORM. :teehee: :teehee:

who didnt :wacko:

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

if 1 or 2 scratch racers put them selves forward as reps then things like this could be discussed at the reps meeting, i would be willing to stand down for our region if anyone is interested, ( we can only do what we think is right ) :thumbsup:
from what i can see on here there is only a couple of scr racers that are against it

like i say if you dont vote you have no say.

YES BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A VOTE JOHN LIKE I SAY DID ALL MEMBERS RECIEVE A FORM.. :thumbsup:

 

[hellbound]

By an extra class, do people mean another class somewhere between 40 and 55lb? I can see the sense in that and it's more cost effective with regards to trophies in the short term. I honestly don't know who put the.proposal through but I have noticed in recent times it's been one ht for 40's and sometimes 4 x no limits.Thing is, if it's all gone through it'll be hard to overturn unless an overwhelming majority can be shown at AGM or the cost implication to the BWRA?

Can't help but feel this is a matter of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted for those who feel strongly about it. I don't mind to be honest and the rule certainly will effect us.

You know me Jac,don't agree in overturning a majoritys vote.It's been voted in therefore it should stand.

Everyyear we all have a discussion on the proposals,and what went through etc,and as we all know there is a reps meeting to discuss the proposals.We can't expect reps to know our reaction to if we think a proposal should or could be altered or for that matter an alternetive proposal going out to the membership to vote on.Maybe we ought to know what the proposals are before the vote and then if an alternative is thought of this can be put forward to the rep who inturn could let the commitee know.Then possibly an alternative could go to the vote also.Just a thought

lol bloody hell Karen when should we start doing this in may to be voted on in nov !!

lol! She has got a point though. Seen lots of heated debates on here well after a decision has been made.

What I think would be sensible is for people to post their proposals on an open forum like K9 prior to submitting them. It would save a lot of hassle because any flaws that have been overlooked could be given a better chance of being highlighted. It would help Reps is demonstrating or arguing whether a proposal is workable or not and anyone considering submitting the proposal would have a better insight into whether it was worth their effort.

Not everyone can travel to meetings but internet access is avilable to the masses through either their homes, mobile phones, local libraries, friends etc.

It's not like we don't know who puts proposals through or who seconds them etc anyway so it's not like there's a need for anonyminity.

see Karen now if you put it like this i would have said what a brill idea lol she's going to kill me tomorrow lol good idea Jac as you no sitting in the reps meeting its sometime hard to understand the proposals thats why this year the proposer had to be at the meeting !!

 

[JOHNG]

if 1 or 2 scratch racers put them selves forward as reps then things like this could be discussed at the reps meeting, i would be willing to stand down for our region if anyone is interested, ( we can only do what we think is right ) :thumbsup:
from what i can see on here there is only a couple of scr racers that are against it

like i say if you dont vote you have no say.

YES BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A VOTE JOHN LIKE I SAY DID ALL MEMBERS RECIEVE A FORM.. :thumbsup:

as far as i know they did,but if anyone did'nt all they had to do was pick up the phone or contact there reginal rep.

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

if 1 or 2 scratch racers put them selves forward as reps then things like this could be discussed at the reps meeting, i would be willing to stand down for our region if anyone is interested, ( we can only do what we think is right ) :thumbsup:
from what i can see on here there is only a couple of scr racers that are against it

like i say if you dont vote you have no say.

YES BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A VOTE JOHN LIKE I SAY DID ALL MEMBERS RECIEVE A FORM.. :thumbsup:

as far as i know they did,but if anyone did'nt all they had to do was pick up the phone or contact there reginal rep.

IM ONLY INTERESTED JOHN BECAUSE IVE RUN OUT OF POKER CHIPS LOL SO IF PEOPLE HAVNT HAD THE OPPOTUNITY TO VOTE CAN THEY STILL HAVE A VOTE

 

[D.Dan]

if 1 or 2 scratch racers put them selves forward as reps then things like this could be discussed at the reps meeting, i would be willing to stand down for our region if anyone is interested, ( we can only do what we think is right ) :thumbsup:
from what i can see on here there is only a couple of scr racers that are against it

like i say if you dont vote you have no say.

YES BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A VOTE JOHN LIKE I SAY DID ALL MEMBERS RECIEVE A FORM.. :thumbsup:

as far as i know they did,but if anyone did'nt all they had to do was pick up the phone or contact there reginal rep.

i dont even know who my regional rep is,none of these proposals were put to me before the propasals were put up.

 

[JOHNG]

if 1 or 2 scratch racers put them selves forward as reps then things like this could be discussed at the reps meeting, i would be willing to stand down for our region if anyone is interested, ( we can only do what we think is right ) :thumbsup:
from what i can see on here there is only a couple of scr racers that are against it

like i say if you dont vote you have no say.

YES BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A VOTE JOHN LIKE I SAY DID ALL MEMBERS RECIEVE A FORM.. :thumbsup:

as far as i know they did,but if anyone did'nt all they had to do was pick up the phone or contact there reginal rep.

i dont even know who my regional rep is,none of these proposals were put to me before the propasals were put up.

iohn noble - debbie savage & myself

 

[sherry]

i wish there was still a no limit class thankfully there still is in the fed. bwra cud have maybe done 36lb say 40lb, 50lb and no limit that way not stopping anyone from running then maybe do away with supreme scratch i dunno??? :wacko:

 

[kate lynch]

WEYY MY STUIES BACK ON FORM :thumbsup: o

although im really sick of hearing about this i do beleive that some sad people have just ruined a sport thats suppose to be 'fun' espcially for me and other that have this weight dog it wont be fun for us if our dog gets bouled into by a dog 10lb or more heavier then them :blink:

pffftt cba to argue with anyone not worth it just spoiling somethign i enjoy and look farward to now when it comes to bwra events ill just be hoping that our dogs dont get hurt because of sum persons discions on rules :rant:

however ill look farward to club opens and fed )

 

[smile]

erm ,excuse me i have seen a 16lb run of for supreme with a 32lb. having been in the sport over 28 years,i certainly dont think it safe or fair to run in supreme scratch,but no one FORCES us to run in it.my point is why get rid of a wheight class,that has been going well for over a decade.its only the supreme scratch that causes concern,but that is down to owners choice :rant:

Ive also seen light weight heavy weight run off for supreme many times over the past 35years but not off levels like the post stated totally agree supreme scratch should be scrapped

 

[JOHNG]

WEYY MY STUIES BACK ON FORM :thumbsup: o
although im really sick of hearing about this i do beleive that some sad people have just ruined a sport thats suppose to be 'fun' espcially for me and other that have this weight dog it wont be fun for us if our dog gets bouled into by a dog 10lb or more heavier then them :blink:

pffftt cba to argue with anyone not worth it just spoiling somethign i enjoy and look farward to now when it comes to bwra events ill just be hoping that our dogs dont get hurt because of sum persons discions on rules :rant:

however ill look farward to club opens and fed )

kate rodger is 40lb so he is bang in the middle of the weight group ( upto 45lb ) and now you won't have to watch is weight so much :thumbsup:

 

[kate lynch]

maybe he is uncle john but hes bang on or under most of the time, maybe it is just 5lb ontop of his weight BUT

Take M2G anne may come to an open over weight which would normally take him to the up to 40lb which wasnt bad but now it would be 45lb and i mean everyone gets out weighed sometimes WE ARE NOT PERFECT although some people think they are, this dog and others like it should not have to endure all off them dogs in non supremes

 

[Paws123]

Always guaranteed at come January every two years its the same topic and debate regarding the recent proposals

Personally i don't think this years proposals and the dates to have them in by was advertised enough, also always wonder why if something has worked for many years without any hiccups or distress to the sport & dogs why some people would want to change it...unless its for the health or safety issues

Seems to me some people just propose cause its that time of year again ..and guess what its the scr racing yet again that's been highlighted ..if something runs for years unbroken why break it now ?

If people are worried the jump between 40lb and 55lb is to large add another class or loss the 36lb class and add the 47lb so it read ..yard a lb up to 32lb ..40lb 47lb 55lb

Secondly imo they are a waste of time , effort and money , one or two lines long no explanation as to why the prosper thinks there pro would be workable, sometimes at first glance they look good ,read well then after re-reading and spending a little time considering the changes it would make to the sport it becomes more and more unworkable (not all but some)

Regional members meetings is the way forward a set date etc for each region ..these could take place at a local wrc club ..surly as with most clubs the members always have a good old chin wag before or after racing ...Any proposals could be wrote down by a rep and signed for by the member proposing it and seconded by another ..notes kept from the meetings along with any new proposals ...on which the reps can then hand over at rep meeting who can decide between them if there workable or not

They could be discussing and vote at the agm with the members present (this is however how events , dates and tracks are decided)

Also like Jac's idea re: internet proposal debate i think the feed back would be very successful

 

[Paws123]

JUST HAD SOMETHING POINTED OUT TO ME BY MY DEAR HUBBY

So would like to add that in no way did i aim my post at any one proper this year or any other year

Ive said loads of times in general chat to others this or that could be changed for the better of the sport but usually after a healthy lengthly debate with others

my idea thrown about its not been workable ....this is why i think regional members and reps meetings would work

How ever one proposal i did want to put in and tbh never got around to it for unseen reasons was that the BWRA make all dogs completing on the bends over 12months instead of there puppy's age limit 8/9 months

i do believe that is a safety issues and there's no puppy racing on bends ever ..i think the earliest Ive ever seen in any open is yearling racing

 

[gabbitas31]

maybe if more people had returned there proposal votes thing might of been different.
301 sent 153 returned, poor return a smidge over 50% very poor response.

but the folks that did take time to return this issue still had 3 to 1 for.

it will suit some folks,and wont others.

but its impossible to please everyone :wacko:

the fed do yd lb up to 35, i did ask if a 36 scr could be introduced. but they they think be to much up to 35, 36scr, 40 . (so he only races fed champs).

our bentley is 35 wouldnt run him ydlb , as i like to keep him scr . +he wouldnt have a hope in hell in catching 31 lber. think there will be more folks like myself with a 35lber :thumbsup:

BUT DID ALL MEMBERS RECIEVE A FORM. :teehee: :teehee:

who didnt :wacko:

I've been a member since i started racing and I've NEVER received any voting papers of any kind since joining. :lol: so where was my voting form please? :wacko: :wacko: