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i think the average price for a whippet from a good breeder is around the £400/450 mark, i would personally never pay any more than that show/working or racing bred.

from what i gather though and my own research most (stress the word most not all) of the pups priced over this are maybe not from the most reputable of breeder and most (again MOST) you can see repeat adds month after month for more and more puppies,

it is quite easy for these people to claim showing parents and champion pedigrees to the unsuspecting pet owners who come to view them, and the fact that more often than not i hear of people buying cockerpoos and labradoodles for the "bargin" price of upwards of £800 means that more and more people are thinking that £600 for a "Pure bred" KC registered "show quality" whippet pup is a good price.

so arguing that its the show faternaty who bump up the price, to me is a little unfair, as to me its the back yard breeders and farmers who charge the over inflated prices as there pups are "show quality"

just to add i dont show, or work my dogs, so this is just my take on the higher pricing in some adverts.

 

[DarrenG]

so those of you that show and have bred litters how much do you charge for a pup?

 

[Clueless]

Sighthound....the clue is in the name.
Its like going to the super market...picking up a orange...it looks like an orange..peals like an orange..but is tasteless and definitely no real orange.

What is it then?

It's an orange.

Just like whippets, there are different types of orange with different tastes to suit. :thumbsup:

I'd be interested to see what constitutes a whippet?

Clueless? (w00t)

I said it was tasteless....somthings missing or is it missing.Just by showing alone one would never know.

If you're selling it as an orange then it is an orange that is why we have trading standards. A pedigree whippet is just that, that's why we have The Kennel Club - Simples

Were have you been....if only things were that simples.

 

[quintessence]

so those of you that show and have bred litters how much do you charge for a pup?

Just had a look at a well known site and puppies seem to be priced anywhere up to £600. £450 seems to be an average price. I haven't heard of puppies going for more than £600 but then I don't know what everyone charges, although I would suspect not. If you break down £450 do you think that is excessive for 12-15 years, I know I don't. My dogs are shown as and when I am able to, which at the moment is not very often, the rest of the time they get on with life the way most whippets do, in a minute we will be off up to the South Downs, if they see something they will chase it, if not they will root about in a companionable silence. That is the way whippets have behaved in my family for the last fifty years. I don't begrudge paying £450 for a dog, indeed I know people who pay more than that for a handbag, what I am getting cannot be measured in £'s and to do so insults these little dogs who for such a long time have adapted to whatever we ask of them.

Jenny

 

[JAX]

so those of you that show and have bred litters how much do you charge for a pup?

£450.00 and I only have a litter when I want one for myself , Last litter sept 2008 :thumbsup:

 

[rls22]

so those of you that show and have bred litters how much do you charge for a pup?

£450 for us too and always with the intention of keeping a puppy ourselves.

 

[DarrenG]

so those of you that show and have bred litters how much do you charge for a pup?

Just had a look at a well known site and puppies seem to be priced anywhere up to £600. £450 seems to be an average price. I haven't heard of puppies going for more than £600 but then I don't know what everyone charges, although I would suspect not. If you break down £450 do you think that is excessive for 12-15 years, I know I don't. My dogs are shown as and when I am able to, which at the moment is not very often, the rest of the time they get on with life the way most whippets do, in a minute we will be off up to the South Downs, if they see something they will chase it, if not they will root about in a companionable silence. That is the way whippets have behaved in my family for the last fifty years. I don't begrudge paying £450 for a dog, indeed I know people who pay more than that for a handbag, what I am getting cannot be measured in £'s and to do so insults these little dogs who for such a long time have adapted to whatever we ask of them.

Jenny

sonuds like a pretty good life

 

[Clueless]

£450 upwards :blink:

 

[wild whippies]

i have been looking at and for the right whippet type for me for a good bit now to have as a second dog, i did not wont a dog out of some think that has just been bred for showing or by some one just trying to make money from just OK dogs that have never seen any think, non ped racers are good well bred dogs but it ant my thing, i was looking for a whippet from workers to do a bit with my self but i wonted it to look like a whippet not to big as some of them are over 21" or 22" just to big for me as a second dog and not wot i my self would call a whippet. after a good long look about over the net at working type shows specking to lads that are working there dogs and people that i trust, i have had a bitch pup out of Darren's litter, i have been out with this dog and he is a true worker i have never seen the bitch work but from wot i have been told from the lads that i trust she is a good one plus a few of them working lads have had pups out of the same litter or from Darren's sonny. i can see why lads are wanting to use him he can and will bring a lot to the table. a dog like this in my eyes deserves to be bred from. he is out there doing it day in day out a hell of a lot more them most whippets that are being bred from he is all so a nice type just the right size for wot i wont and has got a good ped. so i can not see any think wrong with breeding whippets like his.

No-one so far has actually said he is wrong. By all accounts their owners are happy with their pups so they're meeting their purpose. Whether they will go on to be excellent working dogs is yet to be seen because a) they are pups and b) judging how good a working dog really is difficult because they are rarely pitted against one another at a competitive level. The fact is though it really doesn't matter so long as the owner is happy with their dog. :thumbsup:

actually I do compete with him in the field

also Mally that so many of you on here seem to swoon over and hang on every word challenged me if you remember and he lost his bottle in the end, my dog is out there every week being compared against other whippets, last weekend 4 others came with their dogs, this weekend 2 others came it is like this EVERY weekend and odd nights through the week, many have seen Sonny work this is why they want his pups, because he is doing what whippets were originally bred to do, put food on the table, infact with witnesses on EVERY occassion over 7wks Sonny caught 501 lamped rabbits these witnesses were Karl Hennig and Nigel Lawrence and Michael Gardiner all members on Poachers rest this is why his pups are sold before they are weaned and I can say hand on heart nearly everyone that has used Sonny over a bitch has kept a pup back, but hey as wildwhippies said if you only want a pet you want one such as what us workers breed personally I think its good for the breed that pups are spoken for before they are born/weaned can some of these pups from the adverts of show winning parents that are still for sale at 16+wks honestly say the pup is getting ALL the one on one attention it deserves?But heyho its a better pup because it comes from parents that are doing an un natural thing ....SHOWING.Whippets are designed to run so pups from parents that are good in the field are far nearer to what the original breeders wanted.I think more people probably keep whippets for sport than showing and even more keep them just for pets, so WHY do the show fraternity believe they should have the monopoly?

Anyway STILL no one has answered, if it isnt about money why are most show pups £600+ ea and not £100ea

as for paper hanging well thats even worse in the non peds is it not?

as for people who have working dogs moretoniacarol there seems to be far more cruelty cases reported from well known show breeders and judges than there does the working fraternity , how many times do you hear on the news of successfull show knls(all breeds) being prosecuted for keeping incredible numbers of dogs in cages throughout their houses.

Darren just because your dog has worked doesn't mean all it's offspring willl be excellent workers. A pup can have generations of competant parentage but still be sub standard purely because of luck. Anyone who's bred dogs for a reasonable period of time knows this.

Secondly I said if I wanted a pet I would probably get a pup from you purely because of the price. YOU was the one comparing your pups in a market of show pups for sale. It was only after that you mentioned your dog works and the bitches it lined are working bitches so your post was answered on the face value it was presented with.

But FWIW, personally, if I wanted a working dog, I would buy a lurcher. A dog that is being bred for purpose without the restriction of a breed standard is in my opinion always going to be a better dog. It may not have the advantages of a whippet (easy clean coat, aesthetics, etc) but the odds of a pup being competant if not excellent at it's purpose are statistically higher.

With regards to your comment about 'paper hanging', I don't understand what you mean by this term but if your implying folk are lying about their breeding you would most definately be wrong. All the dogs registered are subject to DNA testing.

I (yet again) get the feeling this isn't a discussion, it's a ''big up my dog'' thread and really can't be doing with such self promotion. Seeing as though it's claimed all pups have been sold based on observation of their parents working abilities, I fail to see the need for such topics. Let your dogs do the talking Darren.

 

[Clueless]

No show breeder can guarantee all the pup's in a litter are going to be showing quality...if this is so would you still sell pup's for £450 + to pet home's.

One minute your saying there are no guarantee's in a whippet pup being a worker.Then you say you would have a lurcher which the same idea aplies.So how statisticly do you have more chance of a worker with a lurcher over a whippet.

Would show whippet's not be sold based on observation...The differance is observing Darren's dogs you get to see what's on the inside aswell as what is on the outer.

 

[DarrenG]

i have been looking at and for the right whippet type for me for a good bit now to have as a second dog, i did not wont a dog out of some think that has just been bred for showing or by some one just trying to make money from just OK dogs that have never seen any think, non ped racers are good well bred dogs but it ant my thing, i was looking for a whippet from workers to do a bit with my self but i wonted it to look like a whippet not to big as some of them are over 21" or 22" just to big for me as a second dog and not wot i my self would call a whippet. after a good long look about over the net at working type shows specking to lads that are working there dogs and people that i trust, i have had a bitch pup out of Darren's litter, i have been out with this dog and he is a true worker i have never seen the bitch work but from wot i have been told from the lads that i trust she is a good one plus a few of them working lads have had pups out of the same litter or from Darren's sonny. i can see why lads are wanting to use him he can and will bring a lot to the table. a dog like this in my eyes deserves to be bred from. he is out there doing it day in day out a hell of a lot more them most whippets that are being bred from he is all so a nice type just the right size for wot i wont and has got a good ped. so i can not see any think wrong with breeding whippets like his.

No-one so far has actually said he is wrong. By all accounts their owners are happy with their pups so they're meeting their purpose. Whether they will go on to be excellent working dogs is yet to be seen because a) they are pups and b) judging how good a working dog really is difficult because they are rarely pitted against one another at a competitive level. The fact is though it really doesn't matter so long as the owner is happy with their dog. :thumbsup:

actually I do compete with him in the field

also Mally that so many of you on here seem to swoon over and hang on every word challenged me if you remember and he lost his bottle in the end, my dog is out there every week being compared against other whippets, last weekend 4 others came with their dogs, this weekend 2 others came it is like this EVERY weekend and odd nights through the week, many have seen Sonny work this is why they want his pups, because he is doing what whippets were originally bred to do, put food on the table, infact with witnesses on EVERY occassion over 7wks Sonny caught 501 lamped rabbits these witnesses were Karl Hennig and Nigel Lawrence and Michael Gardiner all members on Poachers rest this is why his pups are sold before they are weaned and I can say hand on heart nearly everyone that has used Sonny over a bitch has kept a pup back, but hey as wildwhippies said if you only want a pet you want one such as what us workers breed personally I think its good for the breed that pups are spoken for before they are born/weaned can some of these pups from the adverts of show winning parents that are still for sale at 16+wks honestly say the pup is getting ALL the one on one attention it deserves?But heyho its a better pup because it comes from parents that are doing an un natural thing ....SHOWING.Whippets are designed to run so pups from parents that are good in the field are far nearer to what the original breeders wanted.I think more people probably keep whippets for sport than showing and even more keep them just for pets, so WHY do the show fraternity believe they should have the monopoly?

Anyway STILL no one has answered, if it isnt about money why are most show pups £600+ ea and not £100ea

as for paper hanging well thats even worse in the non peds is it not?

as for people who have working dogs moretoniacarol there seems to be far more cruelty cases reported from well known show breeders and judges than there does the working fraternity , how many times do you hear on the news of successfull show knls(all breeds) being prosecuted for keeping incredible numbers of dogs in cages throughout their houses.

Darren just because your dog has worked doesn't mean all it's offspring willl be excellent workers. A pup can have generations of competant parentage but still be sub standard purely because of luck. Anyone who's bred dogs for a reasonable period of time knows this.

Secondly I said if I wanted a pet I would probably get a pup from you purely because of the price. YOU was the one comparing your pups in a market of show pups for sale. It was only after that you mentioned your dog works and the bitches it lined are working bitches so your post was answered on the face value it was presented with.

But FWIW, personally, if I wanted a working dog, I would buy a lurcher. A dog that is being bred for purpose without the restriction of a breed standard is in my opinion always going to be a better dog. It may not have the advantages of a whippet (easy clean coat, aesthetics, etc) but the odds of a pup being competant if not excellent at it's purpose are statistically higher.

With regards to your comment about 'paper hanging', I don't understand what you mean by this term but if your implying folk are lying about their breeding you would most definately be wrong. All the dogs registered are subject to DNA testing.

I (yet again) get the feeling this isn't a discussion, it's a ''big up my dog'' thread and really can't be doing with such self promotion. Seeing as though it's claimed all pups have been sold based on observation of their parents working abilities, I fail to see the need for such topics. Let your dogs do the talking Darren.

you are so wrong, as for lurchers been there and done that including breeding a Forley winner

as for big upping dogs look at the boasts in nearly ALL the signatures on this site.

 

[Louise_Simon]

Aren't most people proud of their whippets what ever they do, it isnt a bad thing. I'm not a fan of showing and I'm not going to taking them working either, but that doesnt make them lesser than show or working whippets. They are my whippets and I love them however much I paid for them, to me they are priceless

 

[Janimal]

My friend has had two litters... over a few years and all dogs and bitches were £350.....

I paid about roughly the same for my other two dogs going back to 2004 and 2005.

 

[gabbitas31]

as for big upping dogs look at the boasts in nearly ALL the signatures on this site.

That's one thing you'll never see at the bottom of my signature, :lol: (I know what my dogs can do) :thumbsup: and as for the truth in breeding, :angry: well that just a f***ing laugh. (w00t) :teehee: :teehee: :teehee: :teehee: and the ones that come on here and say otherwise, IMO are just speaking on behalf of others who have done it. :lol: di

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

i was on whippet archive 2day

seen country music and mr benn was on there mated to pedigree,s,,,,,that then went on to win title,,,,,,i noticed the sire,s didnt have any ancetory,,,so i put a few names in not all,,,but some lol

when i put greyhound in,,,,i got an email lol,,,,warning me ,,,( the email,,,[TWA] greyhounds wow, there are greyhounds here everywhere. i doubt the TWA site is gonna let you leave these things up,,,and that i had my cap lock on lol,,,, country music off spring and mr benn grandfather,,,, http://thewhippetarchives.net/details.php?id=6899,,,,and pedigree,,,dog off spring,,,, http://thewhippetarchives.net/details.php?id=14729

going on the e,mail,,,,,is it that bad if a cross gets into the mix ( i,e bit off grey ),,,,,,and as most dogs are in france or Czech repulic,,,,,does the KC streach that far to europe countrys,,,,,and now i put that on ,,,athou it was from 1980,s ,,,,does that effect ,,,,that line now,,,,i,e puppie price ??????

me peronal veiw,s ,,,,,a whippets a whippet in apperance,,,,,,,,there just whippets,,,,,weather u show /race or hunt,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i do all three,,( at lurcher show with whip/ racing at whip clubs and lurcher meets and my dogs take game ,,,,,and their pets/ compaions :thumbsup:

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

here,s another offspring coming from country music ect ect,,,,,whippet in question had even more offspring,,,,,probably sold on as ped whippets ££££££££ off the KC nature if that what applys to these contrys,,,,iam not sure

http://thewhippetarchives.net/details.php?id=6897

now i have only spent just 2day on TWA,,,,,the whippet archive,,does france or other countrys have the right idea keeping the gen pool open,,,,or were they cheating,,,,,if they go under the kennel club ??? which iam a bit unsure off as ,,,,i dont know if these country,s play under KC rules ????

me personally any whippet priced over £200+,,,,,is too much ,,,even if it is for hunting,,,,,,i,e £350 is abit pricey for basically what might soloey be just a rabbit dog,,or show dog/or racer

 

[BeeJay]

Looking at the pedigree's of the dogs they or their decendents wouldn't be eligible to get a NPWRA or a WCRA passport. So they wouldn't be able to race at most pedigree opens or championships in the UK.

Some of the pedigree clubs aren't asking for passports from either organisation anymore so these dogs could (theoretically) race at opens held by these clubs.

 

[JAX]

No show breeder can guarantee all the pup's in a litter are going to be showing quality...if this is so would you still sell pup's for £450 + to pet home's.No one on here has said they are all show quality any more than I would think all your dogs ( or any dogs ) offspring will be top class workers. My friend has pups by a Greyhound Derby winner , but not all the pups are flyiing machines , ( we wish) [/colorOne minute your saying there are no guarantee's in a whippet pup being a worker.Then you say you would have a lurcher which the same idea aplies.So how statisticly do you have more chance of a worker with a lurcher over a whippet.

Would show whippet's not be sold based on observation...The differance is observing Darren's dogs you get to see what's on the inside aswell as what is on the outer.

 

 

what an odd statement . made me lau.ghexplain please, if you can ,

 

[DarrenG]

No show breeder can guarantee all the pup's in a litter are going to be showing quality...if this is so would you still sell pup's for £450 + to pet home's.No one on here has said they are all show quality any more than I would think all your dogs ( or any dogs ) offspring will be top class workers. My friend has pups out of Greyhound Derby winners , but not all the pups are flyiing machines , ( we wish) One minute your saying there are no guarantee's in a whippet pup being a worker.Then you say you would have a lurcher which the same idea aplies.So how statisticly do you have more chance of a worker with a lurcher over a whippet.

Would show whippet's not be sold based on observation...The differance is observing Darren's dogs you get to see what's on the inside aswell as what is on the outer.

what an odd statement . made me lau.ghexplain please, if you can ,

I dont see whats so odd about it

 

[JAX]

Well it is to me :wacko: