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Any way back to things i think needs consideration and taken into account first regarding Defra RSPAC and Welfare groups
1) The cost ... at present £10 off each membership goes to wards NNWRF testing , realistically this only allows us to do a small amount of tests through out the year at the basic test...(take into consideration there are three levels off test think there bronze , silver and gold) also that Linda and a independent went along to HFL so she could discuss with them  most whippet live in doors as part of a family ..so they may pick up food or liquids unlike our UK racing greyhounds.

The cost of a vet or vet nurse depending on where they live how  long they will be needed and post and packaging prices ... also how hard it is to find a vet or nurse will to do the job at a reasonable price .

Testing kits are quite expensive too think they come in a box of 25 ...but Linda can say better

2) If a dog gave a test and something out the norm was found in it , HFL would more than likely pass it over to Defra... Both there labs are together (Please note this is where my next concerns come in force)

Defra work along side the RSPCA which has major concerns about animal welfare issues relating to the racing greyhound industry...now our problems start and the possibility of a change in none ped racing will no doubt take place

3) Governmental changes which will be enforced by both Defra and RSPCA on NNWRF and BWRA will be :

Breeding and Registration : Tackle over breeding; better enforcement of current breeders ...who, where and why a litter is breed  - legislation Micro chipping should be considered as a method of identification; registration fee increased with proportion returned for 'satisfactory' retirement provision

Registration of all dogs , centralized database to track dogs

Racing and Trialling: Welfare groups  should be allowed access to tracks...Compulsory veterinary attendance at all racing or trialling should be regulated - Each dog should be examined prior to racing or trialling, with unfit dogs withdrawn ( can we afford a vet at each meeting ...can see the membership increasing by the £££ i more i add taken off the latest update i received )

Kenneling and Management: dogs must be able to stand up/turn around  and lie down naturally  when being transported

Standards regarding provision of water, food, ventilation during transport should be introduced ... bang goes our racers that only have a car and double up dogs for traveling ...most important i think our camping events will be affected

Just my Opinion on how our sport could well be affected in the near future if we insist on pushing for drug testing , as i have stated rules and regulations are changed by the government bill each year and the way Welfare groups are working now in the greyhound racing ...think some people should be thinking long and hard about there replies ...can i also add the NNWRF  Representative had a discloser to sign with HFL before we started testing ...this is one of the main reasons Linda was uncomfortable sending a test off that had been handled without protective gloves worn

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Enlightening post Dee, my only thought though is by not performing testing, could it be seen that we are compromising the welfare of the dogs? I've also been informed that DEFRA have made enquiries with the WCRA, an organisation that doesn't currently practice drug testing, so if DEFRA choose to govern us with rulings it will occur whether we have drug testing or not, in my opinion.

just going to leave you with this little thought ARE WE A PROFESSIONAL SPORT OR JUST IN IT FOR A BIT OF FAMILY FUN

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It is a sport and it should be organised in a professional manner, by upholding such integrity the sport could well be seen as an enjoyable event for the family.

In my opinion, dogs on drugs run beyond their means, they're susceptible to injuries, cardiac arrests, toxic shock etc, not desirable observations to be seen at a family event and have been occurances within greyhound racing in the past. While the majority may see the sport as a hobby without financial gain, many fail to recognise that for some, whippet racing goes much further, there is the drive and ambition to excel. How far someone goes depends on their individual character so surely we should have some preventatives in place to stop them crossing the line.

It's interesting to see that some feel that as there haven't been any positive tests, that it can be presumed that no-one is drugging their dogs, I surmise it another way, either the initial tests are ineffective for specific agents (which Linda has expressed they are not upon my questioning) or that it is working as an effective deterrant against cheating.

 

[gabbitas31]

(w00t) I've given up on this thread, no more questions from me, i will just live and learn. :thumbsup: Diane.

 

[wild whippies]

fu--s sa-e,  i think i might take up fishing... :wacko:

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DEFRA have legislation in place for this sport too. :- "

 

[Paws123]

Personally i think drug testing has played a massive part in ruined the sport , Ive seen some good friend witch hunted out of what they loved , because of some personally grievances between them and others ... and when they tried to get answers they said it was like coming up against a brick wall

Also at the time testing was no where near as advanced as it is now , people been accused never got to see there original test papers and some found it hard to cope with the name calling and back stabbing ...Seems this still hasn't improved in some areas anyway :rant:

I know what you are saying jac as regards to Defra and Dog Welfare groups just think the way it is at present without there involvement in none ped is a lot better than them been involved...while we look at whippet racing as a whole been a none profitable amateur sport , we may be able to avoid there interactions (fingers crossed)

On the other hand i hate the thought of putting weeks and weeks of training , spending money on therapist's and the best food for my dogs to get beaten by a dog that may been running on an enhancing substance, i have heard people say that some dogs fall to bits when they run with the NNWRF because we test and yet win at other events ..its the less of two evils

My posts earlier was to make people aware of the current situations that are revolved around committee taken on the task of drug testing mainly because of the 1 st post which in my eyes was to knock some of the NNWRF committee involved in our testing program ...Linda has spent a lot of her own time on trying to get this right when it was voted in , taken days off work to visit HFL , phone around vets, collection gloves and testing kits , spending time talking to members that might have a query on dogs medication etc would hate to think i took it on myself

Just think before people answer they should sit back and think things through fully ...as i am a committee person myself i am happy to do either keep testing in or do away with it ...but if its to be kept in members should be 100% happy with the way it is done and give our committee person (Linda)that deals with it there trust and backing ... same goes for any other Committee person that might be put in the same situation

Please remember this is my own opinion

Was going to say look i posted again , but as its my birthday i am excused lol

 

[Karen-Coral]

In Dee's last post this was part of it---

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Personally i think drug testing has played a massive part in ruined the sport---

Its not the testing thats the ruination of the sport it is those who are using the banned substances ----THE MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS BRIGADE ---

If there were no cheats it would not be required-and most probably would be a healthier happier sport to be part of--sadly not the case!!!!

It is also a fact that in the past if you did not conform/had a different view/or just in many cases had a faster dog you were subject to being bullied by little gangs that may have some axe to grind--/or were jealous---

Most people just get on with their own racing even though they know what is going on is not right but just dont want to get envolved for fear that if they say anything it will be them next---

are you guilty of this--- have you seen it going on and said nothing---

ask yourself? was it right?

FAIR PLAY is all the majority want with FUN---without drugs/cheats

I think if things dont change very soon it will be to late ---

whilst you are reading this!!!!!!

Just have a think about how many good people in your own area that used to race ten/fifteen years ago and are still around--- but dont ---WHY?

also how many clubs have folded---WHY?

You all know WHY

Steve

 

[cavendishlady]

i would just like to say i have had my guts full of this drug job and so called cheats 6 months 12 months ban it should be live and has for the fed the first one was the best in my apinun there was no nonsence sorted out on the day not month after :rant: geoff

 

[dart]

I THINK THIS IS MAD AND A WASTE OF MONEY WHAT ARE WE RUNNING FOR FEW TROPHYS NOT A LOT OF PRIZE MONEY WE JUST RACE FOR THE SPORT NOT FOR £100.000 THOUSAND LIKE GREYHOUND RACING OR GAMBLING THOUSANDS ON THEM I THINK A BIT OF COMMEN SENCE IS NEED.I HOPE TO THINK PEOPLE DO NOT NEED TO GIVE THERE DOGS DRUGS TO WIN THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO CHEAT THERE SELF WHY WASTE SO MUCH MONEY WHEN IT COULD GO IN TO RACING OUR DOGS ON BETTER TRACKS .OR ARRANGING BIGGER EVENTS.JUST MY VIEW. :thumbsup:

 

[tinarpoole]

WELL PUT LYNDON FULLY AGREE WITH YOU ESPECIALLY THE COMMON SENSE.

 

[jasper.]

fu--s sa-e,  i think i might take up fishing... :wacko:

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DEFRA have legislation in place for this sport too. :- "

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ok bird watching then.......

 

[Karen-Coral]

WELL PUT LYNDON FULLY AGREE WITH YOU ESPECIALLY THE COMMON SENSE.

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I THINK THIS IS MAD AND A WASTE OF MONEY WHAT ARE WE RUNNING FOR FEW TROPHYS NOT A LOT OF PRIZE MONEY WE JUST RACE FOR THE SPORT NOT FOR £100.000 THOUSAND LIKE GREYHOUND RACING OR GAMBLING THOUSANDS ON THEM I THINK A BIT OF COMMEN SENCE IS NEED.I HOPE TO THINK PEOPLE DO NOT NEED TO GIVE THERE DOGS DRUGS TO WIN THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO CHEAT THERE SELF WHY WASTE SO MUCH MONEY WHEN IT COULD GO IN TO RACING OUR DOGS ON BETTER TRACKS .OR ARRANGING BIGGER EVENTS.JUST MY VIEW.

Sadly this is not the case ---if it were i agree testing would be pointless ---it is obivous when dogs appear to be beating all others at opens then they come to a meeting where drug testing takes place and they cant -----

you would have to be very nieve to not suspect they were on something ==

The odd ocassion could be injury but not all---

You would not need a detective to sus who is using---if they will take the stuff themselves they would have no problem giving thier dogs it ---

They know who they are ----

The sad thing is without the proof of a test nothing can be done to erradicate it from the sport---

But we have to be fair to all!!!! You only get out what you put in if you walk /train /feed/

look after your dog get it fit----

why should you be beaten by someone who just cheats ---

We have all said they are only cheating themselves!!!!!!!!! ----

But they are not they are cheating those who the are running with------

People cheating in any sport is unacceptable==this sport is no different

maybe it is a sign of the times ????

Who knows?????

Steve

 

[dart]

I BEEN TO A LOT OF OPENS THIS YEAR I THINK WHIPPETS IN GENERAL RUN AND HOLD THERE FORM UNLESS THEY GET INJURYED I THINK LOT OF NEGTIVE COMMENTS WHICH WILL DO THE SPORT NO GOOD I RACE WHIPPET IN THE 80,s AND THERE WAS NO K9 BUT I DO THINK THESE COMMENTS WILL ONLY PULL THE SPORT DOWN SORRY TO DISAGREE TIME WILL TELL WHO RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

[friggsy]

I BEEN TO A LOT OF OPENS THIS YEAR I THINK WHIPPETS IN GENERAL RUN AND HOLD THERE FORM UNLESS THEY GET INJURYED I THINK LOT OF NEGTIVE COMMENTS WHICH WILL DO THE SPORT NO GOOD I RACE WHIPPET IN THE 80,s AND THERE WAS NO K9 BUT I DO THINK THESE COMMENTS WILL ONLY PULL THE SPORT DOWN SORRY TO DISAGREE TIME WILL TELL WHO RIGHT OR WRONG.

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well said lynden :thumbsup:

 

[got-the-cent]

In Dee's last post this was part of it---

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Personally i think drug testing has played a massive part in ruined the sport---

Its not the testing thats the ruination of the sport it is those who are using the banned substances ----THE MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS BRIGADE ---

If there were no cheats it would not be required-and most probably would be a healthier happier sport to be part of--sadly not the case!!!!

It is also a fact that in the past if you did not conform/had a different view/or just in many cases had a faster dog you were subject to being bullied by little gangs that may have some axe to grind--/or were jealous---

Most people just get on with their own racing even though they know what is going on is not right but just dont want to get envolved for fear that if they say anything it will be them next---

are you guilty of this--- have you seen it going on and said nothing---

ask yourself? was it right?

FAIR PLAY is all the majority want with FUN---without drugs/cheats

I think if things dont change very soon it will be to late ---

whilst you are reading this!!!!!!

Just have a think about how many good people in your own area that used to race ten/fifteen years ago and are still around--- but dont ---WHY?

also how many clubs have folded---WHY? :thumbsup: well said steve.And as for lyndon well m8 as for u sayin about not bothering with drug testing if your dogs got beat week after week by dogs on some sort or drug u tell me u would not say something ?

 

[dart]

In Dee's last post this was part of it---
QUOTE

Personally i think drug testing has played a massive part in ruined the sport---

Its not the testing thats the ruination of the sport it is those who are using the banned substances ----THE MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS BRIGADE ---

If there were no cheats it would not be required-and most probably would be a healthier happier sport to be part of--sadly not the case!!!!

It is also a fact that in the past if you did not conform/had a different view/or just in many cases had a faster dog you were subject to being bullied by little gangs that may have some axe to grind--/or were jealous---

Most people just get on with their own racing even though they know what is going on is not right but just dont want to get envolved for fear that if they say anything it will be them next---

are you guilty of this--- have you seen it going on and said nothing---

ask yourself? was it right?

FAIR PLAY is all the majority want with FUN---without drugs/cheats

I think if things dont change very soon it will be to late ---

whilst you are reading this!!!!!!

Just have a think about how many good people in your own area that used to race ten/fifteen years ago and are still around--- but dont ---WHY?

also how many clubs have folded---WHY?  :thumbsup: well said steve.And as for lyndon well m8 as for u sayin about not bothering with drug testing if your dogs got beat week after week by dogs on some sort or drug u tell me u would not say something ?

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I GET BEAT ALOT OF WEEK BUT JUST BECAUSE A DOG BEAT ME I DON,T PUT IT DOWN TO THEY ARE ON DRUG A THING A GOOD FRIEND SAID TO ME ONE DAY YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW LOSE BEFORE YOU CAN WIN IF YOU GOT NAMES PUT THEM UP STOP KEEP MOANING.

 

[Karen-Coral]

Constructive debate is what it is-- not moaning sorry you think otherwise will slap my wrist.

steve

 

[gabbitas31]

If i buy anything from the Greyhound Mega Store, are any of the products classes as enhancers,??? i wouldn't of thought so, otherwise they wouldn't be aloud to sell them. :- " am i right?? can some body give me an answers please? :thumbsup: Di, (who is still trying to learn about this sport and what not to give my dog by mistake)

 

[Karen-Coral]

If i buy anything from the Greyhound Mega Store, are any of the products classes as enhancers,??? i wouldn't of thought so, otherwise they wouldn't be aloud to sell them. :- "  am i right?? can some body give me an answers please? :thumbsup: Di, (who is still trying to learn about this sport and what not to give my dog by mistake)

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Best advice i have to offer you is go onto thebwra website and ask these questions by email to Mr Malcolm Clarke --who will tell you most of what you need to know --he is cluded up ===

steve

 

[rob67]

In Dee's last post this was part of it---
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Personally i think drug testing has played a massive part in ruined the sport---

Its not the testing thats the ruination of the sport it is those who are using the banned substances ----THE MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS BRIGADE ---

If there were no cheats it would not be required-and most probably would be a healthier happier sport to be part of--sadly not the case!!!!

It is also a fact that in the past if you did not conform/had a different view/or just in many cases had a faster dog you were subject to being bullied by little gangs that may have some axe to grind--/or were jealous---

Most people just get on with their own racing even though they know what is going on is not right but just dont want to get envolved for fear that if they say anything it will be them next---

are you guilty of this--- have you seen it going on and said nothing---

ask yourself? was it right?

FAIR PLAY is all the majority want with FUN---without drugs/cheats

I think if things dont change very soon it will be to late ---

whilst you are reading this!!!!!!

Just have a think about how many good people in your own area that used to race ten/fifteen years ago and are still around--- but dont ---WHY?

also how many clubs have folded---WHY?  :thumbsup: well said steve.And as for lyndon well m8 as for u sayin about not bothering with drug testing if your dogs got beat week after week by dogs on some sort or drug u tell me u would not say something ?

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I GET BEAT ALOT OF WEEK BUT JUST BECAUSE A DOG BEAT ME I DON,T PUT IT DOWN TO THEY ARE ON DRUG A THING A GOOD FRIEND SAID TO ME ONE DAY YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW LOSE BEFORE YOU CAN WIN IF YOU GOT NAMES PUT THEM UP STOP KEEP MOANING.

Perhaps it is personal preference as to whether people tell all about what they know or keep it quiet. I personally would be concerned about the consequences of saying anything and naming people because of the backlash. Drug testing doesnt stop cheating, neither does naming and shaming................hasnt worked on the metro!! and wont in dog racing, so perhaps the only option that's left is to be aware of it, but live with it.There are lots of comments that I have heard over the past 2 years in dog racing that i would love to share, but it wouldnt get the sport anywhere. So maybe the least harmful thing is for people to witter on about it on here, or in small groups, because that's what happens in life. Doesnt solve anything, just like drug testing, but makes people feel better.

chris

 

[JOHNG]

there as allways been gossip/rumours about certain owners who use drugs to enhance there dogs performance ( and are still racing today ) ,if thats what they want to do they are only kidding themselves,i could write a book on it,i have seen dogs getting beat week in week out over the years,then comes to a championship then wins it's title,but as been fortunate enough not to get tested,in my eyes they are the one's that would and should have been first on the list. :- " :- "

 

[milly]

there as allways been gossip/rumours about  certain owners who use drugs to enhance there dogs performance ( and are still racing today ) ,if thats what they want to do they are only kidding themselves,i could write a book on it,i have seen dogs getting beat week in week out over the years,then comes to a championship then wins it's title,but as been fortunate enough not to get tested,in my eyes they are the one's that would and should have been first on the list.  :- "  :- "

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