Price Of A Puppy!!

[whippynit]

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Well said Wendy :thumbsup:
Ok,so i have only been actively showing whippets for 5 years,though i did show/judge/breed gsd's for 15+ years,so i do feel i have a good eye for a good dog!

I was fortunate enough to get Flyn & show him very successfully(he has his stud book number)

During the first year or so of showing him,i did my homework( & attended 2 workshops) & will continue to do so.

During this time,i became good friends with Roz Holland,who was good enough to let me have Poppy,so i could show her & eventually breed from her.

As you are probably aware,Roz has had whippets for 30 + years so more than knows her stuff, i have learned a great deal from her,& am proud to have her as my mentor :thumbsup:

So,only 4 short years into the breed,i had my first litter & am very proud of them.2 of them are ch show winners,& 2 have so far won at open show level.

And more importantly,they have wonderful temperaments & are healthy!

So,are you telling me that i am wrong to have bred a litter in the short time i have been in the breed?  :blink:

& yes,i shall be having another litter at the end of this year,& apart from the fact that i am breeding this litter for me,i have homes already lined up for the rest of the litter 

& i fully intend to be around the show ring for the rest of my life!!!

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Exactly :thumbsup: so debs could have only been in the breed for around 5yrs but maybe learned so much more in them 5yrs than someone who maybe been in the breed for say, 10yrs but had no mentors, not had any success in the ring, not paid any attention to pedigrees, etc etc but just because the '10yr person' has had them 10yrs how can that make them any more of a worthy breeder if its not been a dedicated 10yrs? :blink:

 

[ROSIE MEADOWS]

Pretty much what I was trying to say just now. Serving a long apprenticeship doesn't guarantee a pass with honours :- "

 

[*Lesley*]

From reading this thread I think Echo has negative intentions, putting loaded questions or agumentative responces on the board then sitting back and watching people debate about them,IMO :angry:

This seems to be aimed a the show circuit, why don't you just tell people who you are and what axe you have to grind Echo. or stop trying to cause ill feeling then we can be done with this nonsense :thumbsup:

 

[alfyn]

I forgot to say,if i want to charge the same price for puppies as a long term breeder does for their pups, then i shall.

I put everything into breeding a litter,Mum & pups want for nothing,& i spend a lot of time advising prospective owners on various issues.The pups go with a diet sheet,loads of advice & a weeks supply of food. & i am always at the end of the phone if anyone wants help or advice,which is more than can be said for some :- "

 

[echo]

If you want honesty and we seem to be taking this thread into a new realm of closing your minds to opinions,

You are having your second litter in as many years alfyn??

I rest the case.

It seems that K9 is doing what it does best and that is to put the blinkers on as soon as anyone makes a statement that you do not want to hear.

The biggest problem you have is that you don't really want healthy debate you only want positives comments and not constructive ones.

Enjoy your site it has much to answer for.

 

[phill]

So what are you saying? Everybody is a puppy farmer? and just in it for ££££

 

[*Lesley*]

If you want honesty Echo,then be honest, just say what you really have to say instead of making underlying comments, if you have a greivence then get it out in the open then you will get a genuine healthy debate :thumbsup:

You obviously know a lot more about K9 than someone would who has been here since April with only 20 posts.

 

[jok]

If someone wants a puppy for themselves, has thought carefully about the mating and has good homes lined up - i don't see why it is relevant when they last had a litter. I would also suggest that many of the people who have been in the breed years have at least one litter a year, or is that okay for them to do that?

 

[phill]

well said Lesley :thumbsup:

"trolling" it's called and happens all the time on a thai boxing forum i go on.....But did'nt expect it on here :blink:

 

[*Lesley*]

well said Lesley :thumbsup:
"trolling" it's called and happens all the time on a thai boxing forum i go on.....But did'nt expect it on here   :blink:

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Yes it happens here occasionally Phil,when there's nowt on telly or they've run out of magazines :- " but they usually get bored and go away :wacko:

If they don't get kicked off by the mods first :thumbsup:

 

[dolly]

If you want honesty and we seem to be taking this thread into a new realm of closing your minds to opinions,
You are having your second litter in as many years alfyn??

I rest the case.

It seems that K9 is doing what it does best and that is to put the blinkers on as soon as anyone makes a statement that you do not want to hear.

The biggest problem you have is that you don't really want healthy debate you only want positives comments and not constructive ones.

Enjoy your site it has much to answer for.

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We can have and healthy debate, but we dont do it behind a mask, we say who we are and stand by what we post. !!

 

[alfyn]

If you want honesty and we seem to be taking this thread into a new realm of closing your minds to opinions,
You are having your second litter in as many years alfyn??

I rest the case.

It seems that K9 is doing what it does best and that is to put the blinkers on as soon as anyone makes a statement that you do not want to hear.

The biggest problem you have is that you don't really want healthy debate you only want positives comments and not constructive ones.

Enjoy your site it has much to answer for.

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What exactly are you getting at?

As i said,i am breeding this litter for ME,so what's your problem with that?

I will be using a top quality,champion dog on my bitch,who imo,& a lot of top judges opinions come to that,is of very good quality, i am aiming to breed a sound quality litter,the bloodlines tie up well,so what is your bloody problem with that??? :blink:

And i shall no doubt make as much profit as i did on my last litter,which was nothing,but that's NOT why i am breeding!!!

 

[Lucadion]

I know this is slightly off topic but still relevant to the topic "price of a puppy"

Look at this link (w00t)

http://www.epupz.co.uk/clas/viewdetails.asp?view=105205

 

[quintessence]

In Greek Mythology, Echo was a nymph who pined away until only her voice remained after being rejected by I think Narcissus. Is that the problem Echo, have you been rejected in some way.

Jenny

 

[lizzyb]

In Greek Mythology,  Echo was a nymph who pined away until only her voice remained after being rejected by I think Narcissus.  Is that the problem Echo, have you been rejected in some way.
Jenny

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Very good . :- "

I am sure that most, if not all here have thought long and hard about breeding when and why we do . ,

 

[midlanderkeith]

I had a phone call recently asking if I had any puppies for sale or if I knew of anybody. I personally do not.After a chat with the caller who seems an ideal possible owner, I was shocked to hear that they attended a recent show and a less than successful show person and a novice to breeding stated that they charge 450 pounds for a pet.

This to me seems a big ask.

It has become more common place recently that people are coming into Whippets and start breeding within a couple of years with little or know real knowledge about the breed or pedigrees.

What has happened to serving an apprenticeship in the breed before you go head long into breeding? It would be interesting to know if they have even seen any of they dogs in the forth generation of the pedigrees or are they just mating what to them seems a  :wub:   :wub:   :wub: !!! dog to a  :wub:   :wub:   :wub:   !!! bitch because they are sooooooo cute!!! then charge 450 for the results.

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For the way my dogs turned out, i'd have paid double, i tell a lie TRIPPLE but dont tell vivo :lol:

 

[doris]

Nobody - no matter how experienced can GUARANTEE a young puppy being show standard.
Show potential if you like, but we all know you are very lucky to get more than one REALLY GOOD show dog in most litters.

Having said that there are exceptions to the rule, and I do know a few.

Irene

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Then again, what are we calling "show standard"

99% can be entered at shows, some win, some don't, just depends on the Judge and nobody judges exactly the same, that's what makes the show game fun.

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I thought a lot of people would prefer their puppies to go to great pet homes - i would. Then you know that if they 'don't make the grade' it doesn't matter. I personally would worry like mad if a puppy went to be shown - i'd feel really bad if it didn't do as well as the new owner hoped.

Jax - im not saying newbie's should charge as much as the experienced people, just that we aren't all idiots and wouldn't go into it lightly to make a quick buck.

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I don't think you need to serve any specific length of apprenticeship to be able to understand dogs, for goodness sake you can become a Dr in 6 years why does it have to take 8 years to be able to get your head round breeding dogs.  Some people can breed and show dogs all their lives and still not explain a shoulder placement correctly.

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so Echo, where does that leave me????????? :unsure: I'm on my third whippet, I've been 'in' the breed for a decade, but have only just started showing my own dog - so am I a newbie or an experienced whippet person? :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

also, I bought my last whippet as a potential show dog, as he came from a show dog background, but his breeder made it very clear that there is no way that anyone can say that an 8week old pup would make a good show dog, however we wanted an 8 week old pup, so should we have paid pet prices for an unproven puppy or show prices for a show bred pup? :- "

 

[chelynnah]

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[Nigel]

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I think the thread has some interesting & useful discussion but see no great benefit in opening it again - so it will stay closed.