Silver Brindle

[Judy]

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I know the Merle gene can produce blue-eyes but as whippets don't have the dominant version of the Merle gene (only the recessive m) then I guess it can't be that.

Eyes can look blue if there is reduced pigment in the iris and most blue eyed dogs do seem to be partis - its to do with the blood showing through a lightly pigmented iris. Apparently there's also a recessive gene that can cause blue eyes independent of coat colour but that would effect both eyes.

A thought! (w00t) - I know the standard allows for any colour and we all think thats great, but do we really? What would you all think if a blue merle whippet turned in the ring?

 

[BeeJay]

Thank you for the explaination Judy :thumbsup: . I was hoping that I'd get a pic of this blue dog with blue eyes to put on here. But it's not likely.

 

[dessie]

I know the Merle gene can produce blue-eyes but as whippets don't have the dominant version of the Merle gene (only the recessive m)  then I guess it can't be that.
Eyes can look blue if there is reduced pigment in the iris and most blue eyed dogs do seem to be partis - its to do with the blood showing through a lightly pigmented iris. Apparently there's also a recessive gene that can cause blue eyes independent of coat colour but that would effect both eyes.

A thought!  (w00t)   - I know the standard allows for any colour and we all think thats great, but do we really? What would you all think if a blue merle whippet turned in the ring?

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YES! I would love one!! As for the blue eyes, I think they are lovely as well. I was fascinated by Zeb's blue eye, I think it is very attractive.

Judy, Zeb is a dark brindle with white trim and although he is a big boy (no offence Sharron!) he is no bigger than a couple of my boys and I would put money on him being pure Whippet. He defo has one blue eye and one brown eye!!!

I have only ever seen one Whippet who I would describe as (according to Roy Robinson) silver brindle. He was a blue with black brindling and, as far as I remember, was bred from Pencloe stock. Absolutely gorgous, only ever saw him the once at Leeds Ch show and did not have a catalogue at the time! Typical. Wished I had made the effort to track him down and use him now.

 

[bardmand]

A thought!  (w00t)   - I know the standard allows for any colour and we all think thats great, but do we really? What would you all think if a blue merle whippet turned in the ring?

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I must admit it would have made me wonder if it was really a purebred whippet. Same would go for a black and tan whippet (althought I'm sure both would have looked lovely)

 

[Liz Third]

Dessie might be interested to know that Tea Juice's pup's great grandfather is Sunne in Splendour, out of Derohan Pretty Polly!

 

[Dusilla]

A thought!  (w00t)   - I know the standard allows for any colour and we all think thats great, but do we really? What would you all think if a blue merle whippet turned in the ring?

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I must admit it would have made me wonder if it was really a purebred whippet. Same would go for a black and tan whippet (althought I'm sure both would have looked lovely)

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I'd love to see a purebred blue merle or black and tan whippet :wub: . Could a merle gene mutate to produce a blue merle puppy from [SIZE=14pt]mm[/SIZE] parents?

This mantle(?) colour is also very nice:

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/images/s...michael0677.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/images/s...michael0681.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/ShamasanHolySmokes.html

Does this colour occur often in Britain?

 

[OEH]

Could someone recommend a book on dog (or , even better, whippet) genetics please.

 

[Judy]

[YES!  I would love one!!  As for the blue eyes, I think they are lovely as well. I was fascinated by Zeb's blue eye, I think it is very attractive.

Judy, Zeb is a dark brindle with white trim and although he is a big boy (no offence Sharron!) he is no bigger than a couple of my boys and I would put money on him being pure Whippet.  He defo has one blue eye and one brown eye!!!

I have only ever seen one Whippet who I would describe as (according to Roy Robinson) silver brindle.  He was a blue with black brindling and, as far as I remember, was bred from Pencloe stock.  Absolutely gorgous, only ever saw him the once at Leeds Ch show and did not have a catalogue at the time!  Typical.  Wished I had made the effort to track him down and use him now.

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I don't think there's any reason to think that whippets with blue eye's aren't pure bred Carolyne, I just don't think it can have been caused by the merle gene. I know there are other genes that could cause blue eyes in any breed. I don't really know much about them though. One of them is an allele of the gene that causes incomplete albinoism I think. It might well be polygenetic too with all sorts of modifier genes involved. :wacko:

I think we might have interpreted Roy Robinson differently as I think there are loads of silver brindles and blue silver brindles about :lol:

 

[Joanna]

I am jolly glad I love the fawns.....................This genetic colouring stuff is so complicated. Colour for me is a very subjective subject. I can look at a dog and a colour will spring to mind, but it might not be the colour the owner would describe. People often ask me about Archie's colour. His ped says pale fawn, I say fawn, but actually if you assess very closely, he is a pale red fawn. I think a silver brindle would be grey witha blue grey stripe. Magic is a silver brindle to me, I think paleness of striation on a blue fawn coat is the ultimate. So subjective though x

 

[Strike Whippets]

Your right there Jo ........People see colour's so differently .........I alway's think of Magic as a blue brindle .......and Archie as a blue fawn .............But I alway's think of Shanaz as the perfect silver brindle .........Confusing stuff .......Good job there's black's

Shanaz :wub:

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[dessie]

A thought!  (w00t)   - I know the standard allows for any colour and we all think thats great, but do we really? What would you all think if a blue merle whippet turned in the ring?

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I must admit it would have made me wonder if it was really a purebred whippet. Same would go for a black and tan whippet (althought I'm sure both would have looked lovely)

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I'd love to see a purebred blue merle or black and tan whippet :wub: . Could a merle gene mutate to produce a blue merle puppy from [SIZE=14pt]mm[/SIZE] parents?

This mantle(?) colour is also very nice:

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/images/s...michael0677.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/images/s...michael0681.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/ShamasanHolySmokes.html

Does this colour occur often in Britain?

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The colour on this Shamasan dog is lovely, reminds me of a Grizzle Saluki, but the dog himself is not very whippety IMO, all too overdone for me and I like a bit of scope!!!

 

[BeeJay]

I've seen that colour on a Sloughi at a show in the UK.

 

[kim & Tilly]

A thought!  (w00t)   - I know the standard allows for any colour and we all think thats great, but do we really? What would you all think if a blue merle whippet turned in the ring?

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I must admit it would have made me wonder if it was really a purebred whippet. Same would go for a black and tan whippet (althought I'm sure both would have looked lovely)

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I'd love to see a purebred blue merle or black and tan whippet :wub: . Could a merle gene mutate to produce a blue merle puppy from [SIZE=14pt]mm[/SIZE] parents?

This mantle(?) colour is also very nice:

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/images/s...michael0677.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/images/s...michael0681.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/ShamasanHolySmokes.html

Does this colour occur often in Britain?

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The colour on this Shamasan dog is lovely, reminds me of a Grizzle Saluki, but the dog himself is not very whippety IMO, all too overdone for me and I like a bit of scope!!!

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What do you mean by too overdone?? :b :- " (im a newbe)

 

Bean started off with blue eyes, they have gone greyish now though

 

[saraquele]

A thought!  (w00t)   - I know the standard allows for any colour and we all think thats great, but do we really? What would you all think if a blue merle whippet turned in the ring?

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I must admit it would have made me wonder if it was really a purebred whippet. Same would go for a black and tan whippet (althought I'm sure both would have looked lovely)

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I'd love to see a purebred blue merle or black and tan whippet :wub: . Could a merle gene mutate to produce a blue merle puppy from [SIZE=14pt]mm[/SIZE] parents?

This mantle(?) colour is also very nice:

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/images/s...michael0677.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/images/s...michael0681.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/shamasan2/ShamasanHolySmokes.html

Does this colour occur often in Britain?

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The colour on this Shamasan dog is lovely, reminds me of a Grizzle Saluki, but the dog himself is not very whippety IMO, all too overdone for me and I like a bit of scope!!!

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What do you mean by too overdone?? :b :- " (im a newbe)

 

Bean started off with blue eyes, they have gone greyish now though

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ALL PUPPIES START OFF WITH BLUE EYES AND THEY GRADUALLY GO DARKER AS THEY GET OLDER .

 

[Liz Third]

On the subject of unusual colours I will reproduce a photo of Bruntsfield Cloudberry, from around 1980.

 

[Janimal]

wow Liz - what a very unusal colour - Ive never actually seen another whippet like that one. :wub:

 

[BeeJay]

Amazing colour. Thanks for posting the photo Liz. What colour were the dogs parents?

 

[Judy]

In my database I've got Bruntsfield Cloudberry as being "heavily blue sabled" I don't know where I got that from though. He looks almost liver coloured in the photo. Can you remember what colour his nose was Liz. He's very striking.

 

[Liz Third]

In my database I've got Bruntsfield Cloudberry as being "heavily blue sabled"  I don't know where I got that from though. He looks almost liver coloured in the photo. Can you remember what colour his nose was Liz. He's very striking.

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He was registered "blue and tan", as was his sister. (The litter consisted of 6 all this colour.) Maybe blue and fawn would have been a better description, but the blue part was a very dark steely blue, and the distribution was similar to any black and tan marked breed. His nose was black.

His parents were Bruntsfield Jelly Roll. a red fawn with blue mask, and Bruntsfield The Phantom, a blue /fawn and white particolour.(She was one of a litter of two, the other was the same colour as Cloudy).

Unfortunately he was only used at stud once, to a brindle bitch and she had one brindle puppy. As far as I know none of the others were bred from, certainly not the two bitches as I kept in touch with them and they were in pet homes.

 

[whippetmad]

Bean is very handsome BJ :thumbsup: :thumbsup: