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[Joanna]

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One for all the record keepers then please.....Have there never been any bitches in the 28-32lb class?
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Well until Diamond Geezer won the other week a bitch held the record number of wins for the 30lbs. Now her grandson Diamond Geezer does.

Julie races a very good 29-30lber. Heart's Delight won the 30lb group as well.

There are several lighter dogs (males) that run in that group regularly. RCh Blue & White Dynamite often races at 28lbs and half coat Half A Spot runs at 29-30lbs and both have won in the 32lbs group this year. I've run Alchemist (29lbs) in the 32lbs group this year. There is nothing to stop someone from putting a 16lber in that group all dogs can run overweight so no reason at all why the few heavyweight bitches can't run in it. It's up to their owners.

Generally we don't get many racing bred bitches in the heavyweight group (or groups) but those that do get up to those weights are normally very good. Julie's Maddie is a good example.

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Thanks Beejay. I only asked as I got the impression from some of the posts that there weren't any bitches in that group because they can't be 28-32lb unless the height limit allows them to be 21" and I couldn't figure that one out.

At least I'm not going mad, so thanks for that!

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None in the 32lb group Tracey. they are always male :unsure:

 

[maggiemay2]

One for all the record keepers then please.....Have there never been any bitches in the 28-32lb class?
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Couple of points
The rule for live hare coursing was a 20" limit for both dogs and bitches

Having a 20" limit for bitches will keep bitches out of the 32lbs class at the Champs

I've been told that if we had more VC races the chances are that you would have to win twice to get a VC

Not happy about bend champs and straight champs - all the titles devalues the Champion Title (Sp Ch !!)

We have seen Italian Greyhound run three time over 350m in Germany.  So there is no problem with whippets running multiple time on longer track - however maybe there should be a standard gap between rounds - one hour is the time gap in Europe - how about here.

Talk-ins are worth it - if you don't speak you wont get heard. :lol:

The UK is the mother of democracies - so I would expect Geoff Cook to vote the way of his club - not the way he and he alone wanted.

Keep the ideas coming - and yes push items for the agenda through your club secs to the WCRA.  I think the cut-off date is the end of the month :lol:

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i have entered my 27/28lb nearly 20" bitch in the 29lb plus class before as im still new to the racing lark and i was worried i may have weighed her wrong.

turned out i hadnt weighed her wrong and she was just over 27lb

 

[Strike Whippets]

Change can do good, but it can also do a lot of damage if the so called experts know sweet fa ...  :- " 

Hic :b

Not sure any-one here claimed to be an expert.

Every-one is entitled to an opinion, most of us haven't worked in kennels all our lives and are pet owners and enthusiasts with a point of view.

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I wasn't having a personal "go" at anyone ..... Working in kennels has nothing to do with me not wanting to see Whippet bitches heights raised ..... :thumbsup:

 

[Joanna]

Who are the "so called experts who know sweet fa........" then ?

Actually, don't bother, we all know who you mean :lol:

 

[Strike Whippets]

Who are the "so called experts who know fa........" then ?

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If this rule was to try and be brought in, it would have to go through the WCRA, Whippet Club and finally the kennel club as it would make the racing bred bitches standard different to the Kennel Club standard ....OK ?? ...

 

[Joanna]

Who are the "so called experts who know fa........" then ?

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If this rule was to try and be brought in, it would have to go through the WCRA, Whippet Club and finally the kennel club as it would make the racing bred bitches standard different to the Kennel Club standard ....OK ?? ...

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Not sure you are right about that, do coursing and racing rules about height come under KC jurisdiction?

I will phone the KC tomorrow to confirm.

 

[June Jonigk]

Who are the "so called experts who know fa........" then ?

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If this rule was to try and be brought in, it would have to go through the WCRA, Whippet Club and finally the kennel club as it would make the racing bred bitches standard different to the Kennel Club standard ....OK ?? ...

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Actually Hannah - we're already different from the KC breed standard. Desireable height for bitches 17 and a half to 18 and a half inches - but I don't think there's many show dogs out there of that size - so don't think the KC will come into it :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

No I wouldn't imagine they do, but if people are asking for bitches height standard to be raised higher than the KC standard and the Whippet club is meant to follow the KC standards then I guess something would have to be done, and some experts would have to be informed :wacko: .....anyway this is my last post as I ended up with a 40% warn last time :- "

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

Who are the "so called experts who know fa........" then ?

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If this rule was to try and be brought in, it would have to go through the WCRA, Whippet Club and finally the kennel club as it would make the racing bred bitches standard different to the Kennel Club standard ....OK ?? ...

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Not sure you are right about that, do coursing and racing rules about height come under KC jurisdiction?

I will phone the KC tomorrow to confirm.

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Think Strike Whippets is right :thumbsup:

 

[Joanna]

Who are the "so called experts who know fa........" then ?

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If this rule was to try and be brought in, it would have to go through the WCRA, Whippet Club and finally the kennel club as it would make the racing bred bitches standard different to the Kennel Club standard ....OK ?? ...

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Not sure you are right about that, do coursing and racing rules about height come under KC jurisdiction?

I will phone the KC tomorrow to confirm.

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Think Strike Whippets is right :thumbsup:

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Who are the "so called experts who know fa........" then ?

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If this rule was to try and be brought in, it would have to go through the WCRA, Whippet Club and finally the kennel club as it would make the racing bred bitches standard different to the Kennel Club standard ....OK ?? ...

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Actually Hannah - we're already different from the KC breed standard. Desireable height for bitches 17 and a half to 18 and a half inches - but I don't think there's many show dogs out there of that size - so don't think the KC will come into it :thumbsup:

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[June Jonigk]

No I wouldn't imagine they do, but if people are asking for bitches height standard to be raised higher than the KC standard and the Whippet club is meant to follow the KC standards then I guess something would have to be done, and some experts would have to be informed  :wacko:   .....anyway this is my last post as I ended up with a 40% warn last time  :- "

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You are entitled to an opinion as anyone is, warn levels are only raised if your posts break rules :thumbsup:

 

[SUNDANCE]

One for all the record keepers then please.....Have there never been any bitches in the 28-32lb class?
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I ran my 25lb bitch in the veteran 28-32lb group at the second champs this year and she won her VC. Her sister is 27lb and 19.5 inches and was runner up at six championships in the 28lb group. Although we never bred from either of them, we would have had to of been careful in choosing which stud dog we could have used for fear of producing oversize dogs. Although it has been pointed out that small dog x large bitch doesn't necessarily mean you won't get big dogs, surely it is reducing the risk of getting oversize dogs. Is anyone with a bitch over 26 lb going to use a stud dog which is any bigger than that? Although the bitch limit is currently 20 inches, it would be a huge risk to try and actually breed 20 inch bitches. There are some very good 30lb and 32lb male dogs in racing but, they are rarely used because of the height issue.

Am I right in thinking that there is only a recommended height in showing, or is there a maximum height limit. If there is, then from what I've seen at crufts, it doesn't look like it is very strictly enforced. Some of the show dogs are massive. We are all part of the Whippet club after all.

 

[BeeJay]

There are no disqualifying faults in the breed standard, thus no disqualifiers for the show ring.

 

[SUNDANCE]

There are no disqualifying faults in the breed standard, thus no disqualifiers for the show ring.

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So why do we need height limits in racing? Why not just have weight groups?

 

[BeeJay]

In the breed standard the reccommended maximum height for dogs is 20" and for bitches it is 18.5". (I looked this up on the Whippet Club website btw).

So we in racing have a 1" over that allowance for dogs and we already have a 1.5" over that allowance for bitches. Now people want bitches to be able to be 2.5" over the breed standard recommended height.

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

Desirable height: dogs: 47-51 cms (181/2-20 ins); bitches: 44-47 cms (171/2-181/2 ins).

The height is a guide only that IMO is outdated as very few show whippet dogs or bitches would come within such limits.

 

[SUNDANCE]

In the breed standard the reccommended maximum height for dogs is 20" and for bitches it is 18.5".  (I looked this up on the Whippet Club website btw).
So we in racing have a 1" over that allowance for dogs and we already have a 1.5" over that allowance for bitches.  Now people want bitches to be able to be 2.5" over the breed standard recommended height.

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Does this mean that any whippet which is taller than these recommended heights is regarded as having a fault and is unlikely to win in the show ring?

 

[BeeJay]

In the breed standard the reccommended maximum height for dogs is 20" and for bitches it is 18.5".  (I looked this up on the Whippet Club website btw).
So we in racing have a 1" over that allowance for dogs and we already have a 1.5" over that allowance for bitches.  Now people want bitches to be able to be 2.5" over the breed standard recommended height.

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Does this mean that any whippet which is taller than these recommended heights is regarded as having a fault and is unlikely to win in the show ring?

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:lol: Oversized whippets were certainly winning in the ring that last time that I went to a show. Haven't been for a few years so maybe things have changed. :lol: Hey look pigs flying over my house.

Seriously though it's only 1 fault if the rest of the dog is good then..............

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

Does this mean that any whippet which is taller than these recommended heights is regarded as having a fault and is unlikely to win in the show ring?

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In a word NO if the judge thinks that the whippet in front of them is a well balanced & well put together animal with no major faults they will place that animal first.

 

[June Jonigk]

Last time i showed a whippet was 15 years ago - I was told not to bother entering Champ shows with my two bitches as they were too small - both were 18 inches, so supposedly perfect size :wacko: but they did look small up against the others.