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What I don't understand is how/why this has ended up being about showing :wacko:

Yes, there is a breed standard, yes, dogs and bitches are different in it (but they are in real life) and yes, this is set by the kennel club.

No, it is not a disqualifying fault if your dog is over sized in the ring and in my humble opinion it is one of the reasons why the whippet has become so big. The thing is, if you have large well made dogs/bitches winning all the time they are going to be used for breeding and then you just repeat the cycle. The joy of racing (and lurecoursing) for me is that these groups have maintained strict rules on height and so the bigger dogs and bitches aren't being bred together (although there are one or two out there that I wonder about how they got under the measure :- " )

Some one said...No there weren't any bitches in the 32lb group. Woohoo! I just can't see why anyone would want to be breeding such large bitches. I know it's going over old ground as I've said it before on this thread but the whippet is getting too big now as it is. Remove or higher the restrictions in racing and this will lead to even MORE big whippets in the country.

Surely there are enough groups to run in, and I can't see how this is about equality :blink: All things don't alway have to be equal :- "

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[Mark Roberts]

Interestingly I've heard a lot of racers say that a big bitch will be very, very good. So actually I can see that people would breed up for big bitches and sell the dogs to pet homes or to people who would 'risk' having an oversized dog. Personally I wouldn't like to see either the dog or bitch height raised. We have possibly gone too far as it is with our current height limits. I too like to see dogs that look male and bitches that look feminine.

I'm with Barbara on this one and have heard the same .....I think if bitches are allowed to be 21" you will lose the divide of dog and bitch as they'll end up looking the same ..... Females in most species are nearly always smaller than the male = FACT !!! .... I personally don't want to see our breed getting bigger .... They are Whippets not Greyhounds .... Change can do good, but it can also do a lot of damage if the so called experts know sweet fa ... :- " .....Racings ment to be a bit of fun for our dogs and us at the end of the day .... Why try to change our breed and type of Whippet ??? ...

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Exactly Hannah,

we are racing whippets not minature greyhounds, you only have to look at the show ring to see that breeders WILL breed bigger whippets if they get away with it.

it's only by racing enforcing hieght limits that breeders will keep the hieght of the dogs down.

if this daft idea went through then in 5-10 years we'd be having the same debate again from people with bitch's/dogs close or just over the limit wanting it at 22" "A LONG SLIPPERY SLOPE"

 

[peppermint lady]

What I don't understand is how/why this has ended up being about showing  :wacko:
Yes, there is a breed standard, yes, dogs and bitches are different in it (but they are in real life) and yes, this is set by the kennel club.

No, it is not a disqualifying fault if your dog is over sized in the ring and in my humble opinion it is one of the reasons why the whippet has become so big. The thing is, if you have large well made dogs/bitches winning all the time they are going to be used for breeding and then you just repeat the cycle. The joy of racing (and lurecoursing) for me is that these groups have maintained strict rules on height and so the bigger dogs and bitches aren't being bred together (although there are one or two out there that I wonder about how they got under the measure  :- " )

Some one said...No there weren't any bitches in the 32lb group. Woohoo! I just can't see why anyone would want to be breeding such large bitches. I know it's going over old ground as I've said it before on this thread but the whippet is getting too big now as it is. Remove or higher the restrictions in racing and this will lead to even MORE big whippets in the country.

Surely there are enough groups to run in, and I can't see how this is about equality  :blink: All things don't alway have to be equal  :- "

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people that i know with show bred whippets, on the whole tower over my dogs :- "

i dont think your giving the people that bred racing whippets any credit.....nobody whats to breed over size dogs as you wont be able to race them anyway :wacko:

i totally agree with Sundance (robin) there are some very good dogs waiting to be used as stud...but size is the worry i dont care who is breeding.....you can NEVER predict the size the pups will mature to, for example the deadly cocktail litter produced pups from 17lb up to 32lb :unsure:

march wind x just for fun produced some thing in almost every weight group from 18lb to 32lb.....

all "some of us" feel is the RACING height to be the same for dogs and bitches :thumbsup:

as ive said before, why then dont we have a minimal height/weight that a dog can be raced, to ensure they stay bigger than bitches.....

 

[maggiemay2]

What I don't understand is how/why this has ended up being about showing  :wacko:
Yes, there is a breed standard, yes, dogs and bitches are different in it (but they are in real life) and yes, this is set by the kennel club.

No, it is not a disqualifying fault if your dog is over sized in the ring and in my humble opinion it is one of the reasons why the whippet has become so big. The thing is, if you have large well made dogs/bitches winning all the time they are going to be used for breeding and then you just repeat the cycle. The joy of racing (and lurecoursing) for me is that these groups have maintained strict rules on height and so the bigger dogs and bitches aren't being bred together (although there are one or two out there that I wonder about how they got under the measure  :- " )

Some one said...No there weren't any bitches in the 32lb group. Woohoo! I just can't see why anyone would want to be breeding such large bitches. I know it's going over old ground as I've said it before on this thread but the whippet is getting too big now as it is. Remove or higher the restrictions in racing and this will lead to even MORE big whippets in the country.

Surely there are enough groups to run in, and I can't see how this is about equality  :blink: All things don't alway have to be equal  :- "

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people that i know with show bred whippets, on the whole tower over my dogs :- "

i dont think your giving the people that bred racing whippets any credit.....nobody whats to breed over size dogs as you wont be able to race them anyway :wacko:

i totally agree with Sundance (robin) there are some very good dogs waiting to be used as stud...but size is the worry i dont care who is breeding.....you can NEVER predict the size the pups will mature to, for example the deadly cocktail litter produced pups from 17lb up to 32lb :unsure:

march wind x just for fun produced some thing in almost every weight group from 18lb to 32lb.....

all "some of us" feel is the RACING height to be the same for dogs and bitches :thumbsup:

as ive said before, why then dont we have a minimal height/weight that a dog can be raced, to ensure they stay bigger than bitches.....

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Agree wholeheartedly with everything said in this post.

There still hasnt been any justifiable reason why the height should not be the same for dogs and bitches..... only people saying they dont want large bitch whippets about. No evidence has been shown either that bitches are faster than dogs, just peoples opinions. Nothing wrong at all with opinions but lets see the facts.

Its a fact of life that evolution occurs, animals/humans get bigger/smaller/different shapes and sizes......... afterall look at humans, open to discussion but havent we evolved somewhat?? Not always for the better like but gotta move with the times and all that.

There are tall women and short men out there as there are tall men and short women. Are tall women any less femanine?

If the height limit was 21" for both then EVERYONE would have to be in agreement to heighten the limit further to 22" etc, noone is asking for the whole limit on all whippets to be increased, just that it is made 'fair' and the height limit for bitches and dogs to be the same.

Despite what some may think i dont want the whippet to be 'bigger' as a whole, just for the limit to be the same.

 

[BeeJay]

What I don't understand is how/why this has ended up being about showing  :wacko:
Yes, there is a breed standard, yes, dogs and bitches are different in it (but they are in real life) and yes, this is set by the kennel club.

No, it is not a disqualifying fault if your dog is over sized in the ring and in my humble opinion it is one of the reasons why the whippet has become so big. The thing is, if you have large well made dogs/bitches winning all the time they are going to be used for breeding and then you just repeat the cycle. The joy of racing (and lurecoursing) for me is that these groups have maintained strict rules on height and so the bigger dogs and bitches aren't being bred together (although there are one or two out there that I wonder about how they got under the measure  :- " )

Some one said...No there weren't any bitches in the 32lb group. Woohoo! I just can't see why anyone would want to be breeding such large bitches. I know it's going over old ground as I've said it before on this thread but the whippet is getting too big now as it is. Remove or higher the restrictions in racing and this will lead to even MORE big whippets in the country.

Surely there are enough groups to run in, and I can't see how this is about equality  :blink: All things don't alway have to be equal  :- "

TCx

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people that i know with show bred whippets, on the whole tower over my dogs :- "

i dont think your giving the people that bred racing whippets any credit.....nobody whats to breed over size dogs as you wont be able to race them anyway :wacko:

i totally agree with Sundance (robin) there are some very good dogs waiting to be used as stud...but size is the worry i dont care who is breeding.....you can NEVER predict the size the pups will mature to, for example the deadly cocktail litter produced pups from 17lb up to 32lb :unsure:

march wind x just for fun produced some thing in almost every weight group from 18lb to 32lb.....

all "some of us" feel is the RACING height to be the same for dogs and bitches :thumbsup:

as ive said before, why then dont we have a minimal height/weight that a dog can be raced, to ensure they stay bigger than bitches.....

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Weell now Julie. What about the fact that a whippet has to be 32lbs or under in order to be able to race yet at the other end of the scale people have weighed in their bitches with collars and leads on just to get them close to being 14lbs. Now was that fair.

I think that it would be most unfair if bitches were allowed to be 21/2" over the reccommended height for a pedigree bitch yet dogs are only allowed to be 1". We are racing KC registered pedigree whippets after all and it's not fair that the bitches are allowed to be more oversize than the dogs IMO.

 

[peppermint lady]

i see what your saying barbara...but a dog can race in any weight group, i dont understand why the "double standards" are seeming to be fair to some folk :unsure:

i think whippet racing should be equal across the board, same weight groups, same height limit...this is just my opinion :thumbsup:

 

[TC]

i see what your saying barbara...but a dog can race in any weight group, i dont understand why the "double standards" are seeming to be fair to some folk :unsure: i think whippet racing should be equal across the board, same weight groups, same height limit...this is just my opinion :thumbsup:

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But so can a bitch? No one has ever barred bitches from being that heavy have they? If you're saying that a bitch can't possibly be 30lbs if it's only allowed to be 20" I don't think that's entirely true is it?

Maybe I'm being a bit thick? I haven't been on the circuit too much of late. Are there a load of 20"-21" bitches out there that can't get a passport or something? It just seems so weird that there is this surge behind 'Big Bitches' and I just can't see where it would come from.

I really don't see it as double standards. Dogs are always given a higher limit than bitces because they are NATURALLY bigger. The same as the lower weight groups are dominated by bitches. It stands to reason and is common sense I would have thought.

I think Barbara has made a very good point regarding bitches being allowed more over the breed standard than dogs if it was upped.

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[TC]

What I don't understand is how/why this has ended up being about showing  :wacko:
Yes, there is a breed standard, yes, dogs and bitches are different in it (but they are in real life) and yes, this is set by the kennel club.

No, it is not a disqualifying fault if your dog is over sized in the ring and in my humble opinion it is one of the reasons why the whippet has become so big. The thing is, if you have large well made dogs/bitches winning all the time they are going to be used for breeding and then you just repeat the cycle. The joy of racing (and lurecoursing) for me is that these groups have maintained strict rules on height and so the bigger dogs and bitches aren't being bred together (although there are one or two out there that I wonder about how they got under the measure  :- " )

Some one said...No there weren't any bitches in the 32lb group. Woohoo! I just can't see why anyone would want to be breeding such large bitches. I know it's going over old ground as I've said it before on this thread but the whippet is getting too big now as it is. Remove or higher the restrictions in racing and this will lead to even MORE big whippets in the country.

Surely there are enough groups to run in, and I can't see how this is about equality  :blink: All things don't alway have to be equal  :- "

TCx

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people that i know with show bred whippets, on the whole tower over my dogs :- "

i dont think your giving the people that bred racing whippets any credit.....nobody whats to breed over size dogs as you wont be able to race them anyway :wacko:

i totally agree with Sundance (robin) there are some very good dogs waiting to be used as stud...but size is the worry i dont care who is breeding.....you can NEVER predict the size the pups will mature to, for example the deadly cocktail litter produced pups from 17lb up to 32lb :unsure:

march wind x just for fun produced some thing in almost every weight group from 18lb to 32lb.....

all "some of us" feel is the RACING height to be the same for dogs and bitches :thumbsup:

as ive said before, why then dont we have a minimal height/weight that a dog can be raced, to ensure they stay bigger than bitches.....

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It's not about not giving people credit at all. It's about fact pure and simple, if another inch was added to the size allowed for bitches in racing then they would soon start to creep up. All the good big bitches and dogs would be bred from as the fear that the pups might need an extra 3/4 of an inch to get under the measure will be gone.

If these animals are good racers, then they too will be used and the cycle will begin....as I have now said on numerous occasions, and am even starting to bore myself (w00t)

Question as per your last statement....How is it fair and 'equal' to penalise dogs just because you think bitches should be allowed to be 21"?

I have to ask this directly to you as it's your statement (sorry :b but to be honest we've both been very open about our views so I'm hoping you won't mind) Do you really, honestly think whippet bitches should be that big? Not to do with racing, but in general. Don't you think that we're moving away of the whippet we all fell in love with. Small graceful dogs that are just a dream to watch float by. A 21" bitch would be thundering down the track and looking more and more like a greyhound in flight than a whippet...

Just my opinion, as you have stated yours, but I'd love an answer to these two :unsure:

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[TC]

What I don't understand is how/why this has ended up being about showing  :wacko:
Yes, there is a breed standard, yes, dogs and bitches are different in it (but they are in real life) and yes, this is set by the kennel club.

No, it is not a disqualifying fault if your dog is over sized in the ring and in my humble opinion it is one of the reasons why the whippet has become so big. The thing is, if you have large well made dogs/bitches winning all the time they are going to be used for breeding and then you just repeat the cycle. The joy of racing (and lurecoursing) for me is that these groups have maintained strict rules on height and so the bigger dogs and bitches aren't being bred together (although there are one or two out there that I wonder about how they got under the measure  :- " )

Some one said...No there weren't any bitches in the 32lb group. Woohoo! I just can't see why anyone would want to be breeding such large bitches. I know it's going over old ground as I've said it before on this thread but the whippet is getting too big now as it is. Remove or higher the restrictions in racing and this will lead to even MORE big whippets in the country.

Surely there are enough groups to run in, and I can't see how this is about equality  :blink: All things don't alway have to be equal  :- "

TCx

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people that i know with show bred whippets, on the whole tower over my dogs :- "

i dont think your giving the people that bred racing whippets any credit.....nobody whats to breed over size dogs as you wont be able to race them anyway :wacko:

i totally agree with Sundance (robin) there are some very good dogs waiting to be used as stud...but size is the worry i dont care who is breeding.....you can NEVER predict the size the pups will mature to, for example the deadly cocktail litter produced pups from 17lb up to 32lb :unsure:

march wind x just for fun produced some thing in almost every weight group from 18lb to 32lb.....

all "some of us" feel is the RACING height to be the same for dogs and bitches :thumbsup:

as ive said before, why then dont we have a minimal height/weight that a dog can be raced, to ensure they stay bigger than bitches.....

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Agree wholeheartedly with everything said in this post.

There still hasnt been any justifiable reason why the height should not be the same for dogs and bitches..... only people saying they dont want large bitch whippets about. No evidence has been shown either that bitches are faster than dogs, just peoples opinions. Nothing wrong at all with opinions but lets see the facts.

Its a fact of life that evolution occurs, animals/humans get bigger/smaller/different shapes and sizes......... afterall look at humans, open to discussion but havent we evolved somewhat?? Not always for the better like but gotta move with the times and all that.

There are tall women and short men out there as there are tall men and short women. Are tall women any less femanine?

If the height limit was 21" for both then EVERYONE would have to be in agreement to heighten the limit further to 22" etc, noone is asking for the whole limit on all whippets to be increased, just that it is made 'fair' and the height limit for bitches and dogs to be the same.

Despite what some may think i dont want the whippet to be 'bigger' as a whole, just for the limit to be the same.

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I hear what you are trying to say, but don't think you can compare dog breeding for a specific purpose to evolution and you keep talking about being fair, but the bitches would then have a much higher leeway than dogs if the limit was riased to 21" for them. How is that fair?

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p.s. I agree, it would be lovely if Gay could track down that evidence on sex and speed :- "

 

[peppermint lady]

in answer to you question TC yes i do think bitches should have the 21inch limit as a dog does.

as i also keep stating :wacko:

i have a 29lb bitch and yes i could run her in the 32lb group...but im not one for jumping weight groups, i like to enter ALL my dogs in the weight group that they on weight should be in :thumbsup:

as a regular racer i feel i can express my opinion in my sport/hobby.

my 29lb bitch is just as graceful as my 16lb bitch, and just as girlie..

the statement of heights creeping up is just silly, all some of us feel is the 21inch height should be across the board for both.

i think pedigree whippet racers look into the breeding of their dogs far more you are giving them credit for, but by raising the over all height to 21inches, will open new doors for other stud dogs to be used, if you research the gene pool of the pedigree racing whippets you will see how limited it is becoming

in a few years time so many dogs on the track will be so close in relation to each other, then what will we do :unsure:

what proof is there that bitches are faster??

you get fast and slow in both sex

 

[TC]

Messed up my quotes so I'll try again lol

TCx

 

[TC]

in answer to you question TC yes i do think bitches should have the 21inch limit as a dog does.as i also keep stating :wacko:

i have a 29lb bitch and yes i could run her in the 32lb group...but im not one for jumping weight groups, i like to enter ALL my dogs in the weight group that they on weight should be in :thumbsup:

as a regular racer i feel i can express my opinion in my sport/hobby.

my 29lb bitch is just as graceful as my 16lb bitch, and just as girlie..

the statement of heights creeping up is just silly, all some of us feel is the 21inch height should be across the board for both.

i think pedigree whippet racers look into the breeding of their dogs far more you are giving them credit for, but by raising the over all height to 21inches, will open new doors for other stud dogs to be used, if you research the gene pool of the pedigree racing whippets you will see how limited it is becoming

in a few years time so many dogs on the track will be so close in relation to each other, then what will we do :unsure:

what proof is there that bitches are faster??

you get fast and slow in both sex

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Thanks for the reply, although I am unsure why your opinion is more worthy than mine because you have been racing more than me this year, or at least that is how it seems from your slightly veiled comment.

I don't doubt that racers take their breeding seriously, and I am well aware of the sizes of gene pools. As far as what you will do in a few years time, maybe changing things round a few years ago might have helped? Not meaning to sound pedantic, just stating facts.

As for my statement about heights creeping up being 'silly' why do you think as you already posted that a lot of 'showdogs tower over my lot' Purely because the limits are not enforced, and so they can breed dogs bigger and bigger because they are able to enter their chosen hobby without being penalised :wacko:

Anway, you said.....

as ive said before, why then dont we have a minimal height/weight that a dog can be raced, to ensure they stay bigger than bitches.....

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So I asked.....

Question as per your last statement....How is it fair and 'equal' to penalise dogs just because you think bitches should be allowed to be 21"?
TCx

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Like you, I'd love to see the proof of why it seems bitches are faster :thumbsup:

Cheers

TCx

 

[peppermint lady]

in answer to you question TC yes i do think bitches should have the 21inch limit as a dog does.as i also keep stating :wacko:

i have a 29lb bitch and yes i could run her in the 32lb group...but im not one for jumping weight groups, i like to enter ALL my dogs in the weight group that they on weight should be in :thumbsup:

as a regular racer i feel i can express my opinion in my sport/hobby.

my 29lb bitch is just as graceful as my 16lb bitch, and just as girlie..

the statement of heights creeping up is just silly, all some of us feel is the 21inch height should be across the board for both.

i think pedigree whippet racers look into the breeding of their dogs far more you are giving them credit for, but by raising the over all height to 21inches, will open new doors for other stud dogs to be used, if you research the gene pool of the pedigree racing whippets you will see how limited it is becoming

in a few years time so many dogs on the track will be so close in relation to each other, then what will we do :unsure:

what proof is there that bitches are faster??

you get fast and slow in both sex

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Thanks for the reply, although I am unsure why your opinion is more worthy than mine because you have been racing more than me this year, or at least that is how it seems from your slightly veiled comment.

I don't doubt that racers take their breeding seriously, and I am well aware of the sizes of gene pools. As far as what you will do in a few years time, maybe changing things round a few years ago might have helped? Not meaning to sound pedantic, just stating facts.

As for my statement about heights creeping up being 'silly' why do you think as you already posted that a lot of 'showdogs tower over my lot' Purely because the limits are not enforced, and so they can breed dogs bigger and bigger because they are able to enter their chosen hobby without being penalised :wacko:

Anway, you said.....

as ive said before, why then dont we have a minimal height/weight that a dog can be raced, to ensure they stay bigger than bitches.....

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So I asked.....

Question as per your last statement....How is it fair and 'equal' to penalise dogs just because you think bitches should be allowed to be 21"?
TCx

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Like you, I'd love to see the proof of why it seems bitches are faster :thumbsup:

Cheers

TCx

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i dont think my veiws are above anyone elses, im unsure why your feeling the need to attack my views, just because they are different to yours.. :wacko:

 

[TC]

in answer to you question TC yes i do think bitches should have the 21inch limit as a dog does.as i also keep stating :wacko:

i have a 29lb bitch and yes i could run her in the 32lb group...but im not one for jumping weight groups, i like to enter ALL my dogs in the weight group that they on weight should be in :thumbsup:

as a regular racer i feel i can express my opinion in my sport/hobby.

my 29lb bitch is just as graceful as my 16lb bitch, and just as girlie..

the statement of heights creeping up is just silly, all some of us feel is the 21inch height should be across the board for both.

i think pedigree whippet racers look into the breeding of their dogs far more you are giving them credit for, but by raising the over all height to 21inches, will open new doors for other stud dogs to be used, if you research the gene pool of the pedigree racing whippets you will see how limited it is becoming

in a few years time so many dogs on the track will be so close in relation to each other, then what will we do :unsure:

what proof is there that bitches are faster??

you get fast and slow in both sex

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Thanks for the reply, although I am unsure why your opinion is more worthy than mine because you have been racing more than me this year, or at least that is how it seems from your slightly veiled comment.

I don't doubt that racers take their breeding seriously, and I am well aware of the sizes of gene pools. As far as what you will do in a few years time, maybe changing things round a few years ago might have helped? Not meaning to sound pedantic, just stating facts.

As for my statement about heights creeping up being 'silly' why do you think as you already posted that a lot of 'showdogs tower over my lot' Purely because the limits are not enforced, and so they can breed dogs bigger and bigger because they are able to enter their chosen hobby without being penalised :wacko:

Anway, you said.....

as ive said before, why then dont we have a minimal height/weight that a dog can be raced, to ensure they stay bigger than bitches.....

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So I asked.....

Question as per your last statement....How is it fair and 'equal' to penalise dogs just because you think bitches should be allowed to be 21"?
TCx

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Like you, I'd love to see the proof of why it seems bitches are faster :thumbsup:

Cheers

TCx

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i dont think my veiws are above anyone elses, im unsure why your feeling the need to attack my views, just because they are different to yours.. :wacko:

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I'm not attacking, just trying to debate and you're the only one talking to me (w00t) No, seriously, just wanting to know why, and to express my opinion the same as everyone else. I think I've posted with everyone who seems to want the limit raised, certainly not just you.

TCx

 

[peppermint lady]

:thumbsup: i just feel im being ask the same thing over and over....my opinion is up the overall height to 21inches :thumbsup:

i cant ever understand why they dropped the height for bitches, it used to be bigger than 20inches before :wacko:

 

[Strike Whippets]

If the bitches height limit was to be raised to 21" it would make heights creep up ....Just like the weights have, thats obvious .....Bigger stud dogs could be used as people would think its ok the bitches won't go over (though I'm sure some dogs would).....Eventually the heights and weights will start going up ......Theres already a fair few dogs on the track now that IMO were very "lucky" they managed to measure in and have to be stripped right down to race :blink: .......As for widening the gene pool .....I personally think the WCRA should try and see what they can do with dogs becoming so inbred ..... There are more and more problems arising in lines now that are going to just get worse as people double, triple etc .. back up on certain dogs/lines, and its only really the same few lines being used :wacko: ......If people were really worried about the gene pool they would do their research and find a complete out cross, but hey it wouldn't be racing bred so thats not going to happen as people want racing champions straight away .... Sorry that is a bit of a sweeping statement, I do think there are some very good racing Whippet breeders out there, but I do also see the ones that are too impatient to plan, breed and wait a few generations .....

IMO a Whippet bitch is correctly sized at 18-19" after that they lose type and their femininity ....... I would be horrified if I bred a 21" bitch .......but then I'd be horrified if I actually bred a dog that raced :- " :teehee:

 

[gracie]

Been off the net for a couple of days so am behind with this but regards bend and straight champions and then if you won both you becamea Supreme Champion I put that forward a few years back at the Whippet Club AGM where all changes to the rules have to be past and was nearly linched by the Showing Brigade who said we were lucky to have Championship status at all and that it is not recognised by the kennel club and is only a curtesy title so we are not allowed to use it if we enter a show. Could not get any backing either from a lot of the racers there either so it died the death as do most things which have not been done for 40 years old.

June McD

 

[peppermint sue]

hi tc well I think I HAVE BEEN AROUND whippets and greyhounds for a considerable

time .having worked in a ngrc racing kennels for many years and not just picking

up the poo :lol:

IT was always the dogs which seemed to be the faster not the bitches?

and when we raced whippets 30yrs ago their was hardly any small whippets

around compared to todays.

I don,t think the whippet will end up the size of a greyhound bit far fetched

I don,t mind if the limit stays the same but this is a topic worth looking at to see

if the dogs and bitches could be the same .

I don,t agree with your comment on bigger dogs thundering down the track

I think the bigger dog looks more elegant they don,t have to put so many strides

in so look more flowing .

I don,t think julie was having a pop at anyone just because she has only been

racing for a couple of years she has been brought up with racing dogs all

her life :thumbsup:

 

[Joanna]

Could not get any backing either from a lot of the racers there either so it died the death as do most things which have not been done for 40 years old

I think this will continue to be a problem. It isn't just racing and dogs, it is the same in many aspects of life. Human beings are often very reluctant to embrace change and any proposals to do things differently are often met with opposition. It is utterly frustrating particularly when there is no good reason to maintain old practices. Part of the problem has been the fuddy duddies in the Whippet Club blocking suggstions, but I think the racing fraternity has some very change-resisitant elements and this can be off-putting to people who are new to the sport. There are many aspects of whippet racing I would like to see reviewed, but I don't think it will ever happen. I am extremely pleased that there have been some small changes like a measuring check, perhaps Kim will represent a more modern approach in her role.

Going back to height, though it is going round in circles, pedigree whippets are not there to look nice we are not complying with or trying to meet the breed standard in any other way. These animals are bred for speed, to be the fastest over a measured distance, it doesn't matter if they have got three heads so why are we even referring to the breed standard which is largely ignored on the height issue by breeders of show dogs any-way!

The one issue I will raise is that many of us limit the number of whippets we own. If I make a decision to aquire another dog, it will be considered very carefully. As I have committed to being involved in racing, I would want my puppy to to be a racing bred dog. If I got a bitch and she measured up too tall and her litter brother was the same height and could race, I would be infuriated. It just isn't fair. Oh and I actually like big whippets which is just as well as they are getting biggger and will continue to do so I expect.

Any-way, there isn't any more to say really and I daresay this and any other suggestions raised at the talk-in will be met with considerable opposition so I shouldn't worry about it opposers.

 

[peppermint lady]

Could not get any backing either from a lot of the racers there either so it died the death as do most things which have not been done for 40 years old

I think this will continue to be a problem. It isn't just racing and dogs, it is the same in many aspects of life. Human beings are often very reluctant to embrace change and any proposals to do things differently are often met with opposition. It is utterly frustrating particularly when there is no good reason to maintain old practices. Part of the problem has been the fuddy duddies in the Whippet Club blocking suggstions, but I think the racing fraternity has some very change-resisitant elements and this can be off-putting to people who are new to the sport. There are many aspects of whippet racing I would like to see reviewed, but I don't think it will ever happen. I am extremely pleased that there have been some small changes like a measuring check, perhaps Kim will represent a more modern approach in her role.

Going back to height, though it is going round in circles, pedigree whippets are not there to look nice we are not complying with or trying to meet the breed standard in any other way. These animals are bred for speed, to be the fastest over a measured distance, it doesn't matter if they have got three heads so why are we even referring to the breed standard which is largely ignored on the height issue by breeders of show dogs any-way!

The one issue I will raise is that many of us limit the number of whippets we own. If I make a decision to aquire another dog, it will be considered very carefully. As I have committed to being involved in racing, I would want my puppy to to be a racing bred dog. If I got a bitch and she measured up too tall and her litter brother was the same height and could race, I would be infuriated. It just isn't fair. Oh and I actually like big whippets which is just as well as they are getting biggger and will continue to do so I expect.

Any-way, there isn't any more to say really and I daresay this and any other suggestions raised at the talk-in will be met with considerable opposition so I shouldn't worry about it opposers.

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pmsl :lol: where do you buy you muzzles for the 3 headed whippet (w00t)