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It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches.  Are they afraid of the competition?  If the height limit was raised, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have 21 inch bitches.  If you like small bitches then you could still have them.  Some people like big bitches.  Currently there are nine championship groups.  Dogs can run in all of them.  By limiting bitches to 20 inches, they are probably only going to be represented in seven weight groups (with the very rare exception of one or two running in the 30lb group).  This is unfair and prejudiced against bitches.  The whippet club standard isn't worth a hoot, as it is totally ignored by the Whippet club in the show ring.  Would it be such a tragedy if there was the occasional bitch in the 32lb group?  It might mean that there would be a decent amount of dogs in the group rather than the 5 or 6 we often see at championships.  We often see dogs moved up to the 32lb group because everyone knows there are hardly any dogs in the group.  If big bitches aren't your thing, then don't get one.  But, don't tell everyone else that they can't have one.

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ROB THAT IS A BRILLANT POST :thumbsup: 100%got my backing :thumbsup:

 

[peppermint lady]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches.  Are they afraid of the competition?  If the height limit was raised, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have 21 inch bitches.   If you like small bitches then you could still have them.  Some people like big bitches.  Currently there are nine championship groups.  Dogs can run in all of them.  By limiting bitches to 20 inches, they are probably only going to be represented in seven weight groups (with the very rare exception of one or two running in the 30lb group).  This is unfair and prejudiced against bitches.  The whippet club standard isn't worth a hoot, as it is totally ignored by the Whippet club in the show ring.  Would it be such a tragedy if there was the occasional bitch in the 32lb group?  It might mean that there would be a decent amount of dogs in the group rather than the 5 or 6 we often see at championships.  We often see dogs moved up to the 32lb group because everyone knows there are hardly any dogs in the group.  If big bitches aren't your thing, then don't get one.  But, don't tell everyone else that they can't have one.

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Some good points there, did notice the use of the word 'probably' though.

I would just like to point out that my thoughts are not based on the competition against my dog, but for the good of the breed.

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yes but this thread is about the wcra talk in, and ideas for the agenda and our whippet racing, not the breed standard :thumbsup:

 

[TC]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches.  Are they afraid of the competition?  If the height limit was raised, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have 21 inch bitches.   If you like small bitches then you could still have them.  Some people like big bitches.  Currently there are nine championship groups.  Dogs can run in all of them.  By limiting bitches to 20 inches, they are probably only going to be represented in seven weight groups (with the very rare exception of one or two running in the 30lb group).  This is unfair and prejudiced against bitches.  The whippet club standard isn't worth a hoot, as it is totally ignored by the Whippet club in the show ring.  Would it be such a tragedy if there was the occasional bitch in the 32lb group?  It might mean that there would be a decent amount of dogs in the group rather than the 5 or 6 we often see at championships.  We often see dogs moved up to the 32lb group because everyone knows there are hardly any dogs in the group.  If big bitches aren't your thing, then don't get one.  But, don't tell everyone else that they can't have one.

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Some good points there, did notice the use of the word 'probably' though.

I would just like to point out that my thoughts are not based on the competition against my dog, but for the good of the breed.

TCx

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yes but this thread is about the wcra talk in, and ideas for the agenda and our whippet racing, not the breed standard :thumbsup:

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Last word from me on this subject Yes, I understand that. I just want whippets to stay whippets and not get bigger each year, and this change (if it went though) would NOT help the cause and in two and three years time we'll have even more massive whippets

TCx

 

[peppermint lady]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches.  Are they afraid of the competition?  If the height limit was raised, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have 21 inch bitches.   If you like small bitches then you could still have them.  Some people like big bitches.  Currently there are nine championship groups.  Dogs can run in all of them.  By limiting bitches to 20 inches, they are probably only going to be represented in seven weight groups (with the very rare exception of one or two running in the 30lb group).  This is unfair and prejudiced against bitches.  The whippet club standard isn't worth a hoot, as it is totally ignored by the Whippet club in the show ring.  Would it be such a tragedy if there was the occasional bitch in the 32lb group?  It might mean that there would be a decent amount of dogs in the group rather than the 5 or 6 we often see at championships.  We often see dogs moved up to the 32lb group because everyone knows there are hardly any dogs in the group.  If big bitches aren't your thing, then don't get one.  But, don't tell everyone else that they can't have one.

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Some good points there, did notice the use of the word 'probably' though.

I would just like to point out that my thoughts are not based on the competition against my dog, but for the good of the breed.

TCx

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yes but this thread is about the wcra talk in, and ideas for the agenda and our whippet racing, not the breed standard :thumbsup:

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Last word from me on this subject Yes, I understand that. I just want whippets to stay whippets and not get bigger each year, and this change (if it went though) would NOT help the cause and in two and three years time we'll have even more massive whippets

TCx

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:thumbsup: time will tell :thumbsup:

 

[peppermint sue]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches.  Are they afraid of the competition?  If the height limit was raised, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have 21 inch bitches.   If you like small bitches then you could still have them.  Some people like big bitches.  Currently there are nine championship groups.  Dogs can run in all of them.  By limiting bitches to 20 inches, they are probably only going to be represented in seven weight groups (with the very rare exception of one or two running in the 30lb group).  This is unfair and prejudiced against bitches.  The whippet club standard isn't worth a hoot, as it is totally ignored by the Whippet club in the show ring.  Would it be such a tragedy if there was the occasional bitch in the 32lb group?  It might mean that there would be a decent amount of dogs in the group rather than the 5 or 6 we often see at championships.  We often see dogs moved up to the 32lb group because everyone knows there are hardly any dogs in the group.  If big bitches aren't your thing, then don't get one.  But, don't tell everyone else that they can't have one.

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Some good points there, did notice the use of the word 'probably' though.

I would just like to point out that my thoughts are not based on the competition against my dog, but for the good of the breed.

TCx

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yes but this thread is about the wcra talk in, and ideas for the agenda and our whippet racing, not the breed standard :thumbsup:

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Last word from me on this subject Yes, I understand that. I just want whippets to stay whippets and not get bigger each year, and this change (if it went though) would NOT help the cause and in two and three years time we'll have even more massive whippets

TCx

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your last word promise :lol:

 

[Joanna]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches

I know he's crap, but I run a dog in that group............. :lol: :lol:

 

[peppermint lady]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches

I know he's crap, but I run a dog in that group............. :lol: :lol:

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but he is lovely with it :wub:

smell the money jo :- " :- " :- " i take cash cheque and all major credit cards (w00t) :lol: :lol:

 

[Joanna]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches

I know he's crap, but I run a dog in that group............. :lol: :lol:

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but he is lovely with it :wub:

smell the money jo :- " :- " :- " i take cash cheque and all major credit cards (w00t) :lol: :lol:

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How about I O U

 

[peppermint lady]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches

I know he's crap, but I run a dog in that group............. :lol: :lol:

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but he is lovely with it :wub:

smell the money jo :- " :- " :- " i take cash cheque and all major credit cards (w00t) :lol: :lol:

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How about I O U

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cash on delivery love :lol: :lol:

 

[Strike Whippets]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches. Are they afraid of the competition?

I'm opposed to raising the bitches to 21" ....and my biggest male is 28lb and 19 5/8" tall ..... Oh and retired ...

There are big bitches out there but they are all within the 20" standard as far as I can see ....My Strike The Pose could hit 30lbs and run well, but she was only 19" and VERY feminine :wub: ....Just like a bitch should be .... :thumbsup:

 

[peppermint lady]

WELL I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE ALL PUT PEN TO PAPER AND WRITTEN OUT YOUR POINTS FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE TALK-IN.  I HAVE DONE MINE. :thumbsup:

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I put mine forward to our secretary yesterday. Well done for starting this thread Rob, it has certainly generated some interesting topics 8)

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:thumbsup: we should ALL make our voices and ideas count, and sometimes have to agree to disagree :thumbsup:

 

[maggiemay2]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches.  Are they afraid of the competition?  If the height limit was raised, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have 21 inch bitches.  If you like small bitches then you could still have them.  Some people like big bitches.  Currently there are nine championship groups.  Dogs can run in all of them.  By limiting bitches to 20 inches, they are probably only going to be represented in seven weight groups (with the very rare exception of one or two running in the 30lb group).  This is unfair and prejudiced against bitches.  The whippet club standard isn't worth a hoot, as it is totally ignored by the Whippet club in the show ring.  Would it be such a tragedy if there was the occasional bitch in the 32lb group?  It might mean that there would be a decent amount of dogs in the group rather than the 5 or 6 we often see at championships.  We often see dogs moved up to the 32lb group because everyone knows there are hardly any dogs in the group.  If big bitches aren't your thing, then don't get one.  But, don't tell everyone else that they can't have one.

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brilliant post. :thumbsup:

 

[Judy]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches.  Are they afraid of the competition?  If the height limit was raised, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have 21 inch bitches.   If you like small bitches then you could still have them.  Some people like big bitches.  Currently there are nine championship groups.  Dogs can run in all of them.  By limiting bitches to 20 inches, they are probably only going to be represented in seven weight groups (with the very rare exception of one or two running in the 30lb group).  This is unfair and prejudiced against bitches.  The whippet club standard isn't worth a hoot, as it is totally ignored by the Whippet club in the show ring.  Would it be such a tragedy if there was the occasional bitch in the 32lb group?  It might mean that there would be a decent amount of dogs in the group rather than the 5 or 6 we often see at championships.  We often see dogs moved up to the 32lb group because everyone knows there are hardly any dogs in the group.  If big bitches aren't your thing, then don't get one.  But, don't tell everyone else that they can't have one.

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I can see where you're coming from Rob in saying its unfair and prejudice against bitches because they aren't represented often in the heaviest weight groups because of height restrictions.

On the other hand though, the smaller weight groups consist of nearly all bitches. So, again with the rare exception, dogs aren't represented there. You can move a bitch up a group but you can't move a dog down.

I don't think we can deny that as a general statement dogs are bigger than bitches. If there is going to be a height limit at all, unless its something ridiculous like 16 hands then there are always going to be more dogs unable to race than bitches if it is the same limit for both sexes. So that would be unfair and prejudiced against dogs wouldn't it?

I'm just trying to point out that as long as we talk about fairness there is never going to be a right answer that satisfies everyone anyway. For every argument that works one way, there always seems to be a counter argument that works the other way. Of course thats never stopped us all from arguing about anything before :lol:

Actually is there really a problem anyway? When I think about it, of all the whippets I can remember being to big to get a passport, they have all been dogs (or show bred). Can't remember any racing bred bitches being too big ever. Unless anyone else can think of any? Certainly when as a seconder I've been measuring for passports, there have been more dogs close to their limit than bitches near theirs. Either way I dare say it hasn't affected bitches any more than dogs.

 

[BeeJay]

It's been an interesting discussion.

Some of us have stated that we believe that racing bred pedigree whippets should adhere at least in someway to the breed standard which is a written indication of what a whippet should look like. Whilst other people have said that the breed standard is a discounted irrelevance in terms of pedigree racing whippets.

If the racing bred peddies don't have to at least resemble in the most basic way and measureable ways to the breed standard then how can people make judgements like x dog doesn't look like a whippet. That statement is totally meaningless unless there is a universal view of what a whippet looks like and that is the breed standard. IMO opinion if people want to race bigger dogs then go off and do it. There's non peddie racing, lurcher racing and greyhound racing. As the owner of big dogs I can assure you that the odds are already stacked against them in peddie racing and they are the ones more unfairly treated by the system as it is.

As I think that I'm the only person with big dogs who has said that they don't agree with the disqualifying height for bitches being raised.

> It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches. Are they afraid of the competition?

Rob next time I see you I shall stomp very hard on your toes and perhaps you'll change your mind about wishing to see bigger bitches allowed in whippet racing. (w00t) :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Rob Rixon]

Closing date for items for the Talk-in agenda is 31st October. But items have to be with Kim via your Club Secretary - so its time to start thinking of communicating with you club sec

And hope to see you at the Talk-in on 31st January at Oxford.

Interesting question is why do the WCRA need 3 months notice of questions for the talk-in - I'd have thought 30 days was enough. :blink:

 

[Judy]

Rob next time I see you I shall stomp very hard on your toes and perhaps you'll change your mind about wishing to see bigger bitches allowed in whippet racing.    (w00t) :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

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:lol: Thats the spirit Barbara. I'll watch

Ooops! just seen Rob has just come back and is reading this right now. I'm off :lol:

 

[controversial]

It seems that all the owners with big male racing whippets are opposed to raising the height limit for bitches.  Are they afraid of the competition?  If the height limit was raised, it doesn't mean that everyone has to have 21 inch bitches.  If you like small bitches then you could still have them.  Some people like big bitches.  Currently there are nine championship groups.  Dogs can run in all of them.  By limiting bitches to 20 inches, they are probably only going to be represented in seven weight groups (with the very rare exception of one or two running in the 30lb group).  This is unfair and prejudiced against bitches.  The whippet club standard isn't worth a hoot, as it is totally ignored by the Whippet club in the show ring.  Would it be such a tragedy if there was the occasional bitch in the 32lb group?  It might mean that there would be a decent amount of dogs in the group rather than the 5 or 6 we often see at championships.  We often see dogs moved up to the 32lb group because everyone knows there are hardly any dogs in the group.  If big bitches aren't your thing, then don't get one.  But, don't tell everyone else that they can't have one.

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if you dont have a breed standard you dont have breed as far as iam concerned .when you start going over the height why dont you get a small greyhound.plus a 20in bitch pound for pound should be faster than a dog of 21in

 

[Jane Rankin]

Back in 1991, I raced a bitch, Coaldust Susie. She was show-bred, weighed 28 pounds and was 20 1/2" tall. Obviously the height limit then was the same for dogs and bitches and I can't remember it making any difference at all. If memory serves me correctly, I can't recall that there were any more big bitches racing then than there are now with the 20" height limit. What is interesting though, is that there are lots more small males (20lb and under) racing now than there were 14 years ago. Is this because people are breeding deliberately to avoid big bitches or because some popular sires are or have been, small?

When was the height limit for bitches changed and for what reason?

 

[peppermint sue]

Back in 1991, I raced a bitch, Coaldust Susie.  She was show-bred, weighed 28 pounds and was 20 1/2" tall.  Obviously the height limit then was the same for dogs and bitches and I can't remember it making any difference at all.  If memory serves me correctly, I can't recall that there were any more big bitches racing then than there are now with the 20" height limit.  What is interesting though, is that there are lots more small males (20lb and under) racing now than there were 14 years ago.  Is this because people are breeding deliberately to avoid big bitches or because some popular sires are or have been, small?When was the height limit for bitches changed and for what reason?

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good post jane their was no difference in 1981 jane.I would also like to know

why it changed and for what reason ?

please don,t say it was breed standard sorry graham not buying that argument.

been around whippets racing to long mate :lol:

 

[maggiemay2]

why just pick on the 'height' part of the breed standard for the racing rules?? just because some people dont think they 'look' right

surely if everyone was that bothered about the breed standard dogs with feathered tails and standy up ears should be disallowed too as they dont meet certain criteria in the breed standard. Based on the breed standard we would/should be all racing small show quality bitches/dogs. :- "