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Is it just me then that thinks 21" is too big for dog whippets, let alone bitches :blink:
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June i went to many of these so called talk ins when i was secretary of Gloucester and personally i found they where a waste of time and money because what ever was said or suggested no notice was ever taken by the commitee this is why people just go and never open their mouths.June Jonigk said:Something else I've just thought of ...... when you go to a talk-in, it would be nice to be able to vote for what you like, instead of voting as clubs. Most clubs don't ask their members what they think anyway. Shouldn't it be the case that if you can be bothered to go to a talk-in, your vote should count?
A couple of years ago Geoff Cook put in a suggestion - it was either cut down on bends, or do away with bend Champs, I can't quite remember - but he had to stand up and state his suggestion, but when it came to voting, as a Gloucester representative, he had to vote against his own suggestion because the majority of Gloucester members didn't agree with it. At the same time there was item on the agenda, and the Andover representatives voted the way they wanted, and not what the Andover members had voted for. As the votes are just for information anyway, wouldn't it be better to get the opinions of those who can be bothered to go and discuss the items?
And why would that be a positive move? As far as I am concerned, that group is too small and if it excludes bitches (some-thing I haven't considered) that is outrageous! About time we changed a few things and got equal rights for big bitches :- " :- " :- "Having a 20" limit for bitches will keep bitches out of the 32lbs class at the Champs
here here Joanna. :thumbsup:Joanna said:And why would that be a positive move? As far as I am concerned, that group is too small and if it excludes bitches (some-thing I haven't considered) that is outrageous! About time we changed a few things and got equal rights for big bitches :- " :- " :- "Having a 20" limit for bitches will keep bitches out of the 32lbs class at the Champs
Joanna said:We should start a BIG BITCH campaign. Who's in?
Peppermint Julie
MaggieMay2
Myself
In all seriousness, it should be the same height regardless :thumbsup:
Yeh, i'm in!!!
pmsl....but joking aside i do think the height limit should be 21inches, dog or bitch, and why ever not would you want to keep bitches out of the 32lb group anyway :wacko:Joanna said:We should start a BIG BITCH campaign. Who's in?Peppermint Julie
MaggieMay2
Myself
In all seriousness, it should be the same height regardless :thumbsup:
The reason for reducing the height for bitches (not so long ago) was because big bitches breed bigger dogs. However, if you want a level playing field, it would make more sense to run dogs and bitches separately because recent research (sorry - didn't bookmark it) shows that bitches have large left ventricles in their hearts than dogs. Non=ped racers in the 1950s always ecpected bitches to be faster than dogs which was why their champ races separate dogs and bitches.peppermint lady said:pmsl....but joking aside i do think the height limit should be 21inches, dog or bitch, and why ever not would you want to keep bitches out of the 32lb group anyway :wacko:Joanna said:We should start a BIG BITCH campaign. Who's in?Peppermint Julie
MaggieMay2
Myself
In all seriousness, it should be the same height regardless :thumbsup:
me no understand :unsure: :lol:
moonlake said:The reason for reducing the height for bitches (not so long ago) was because big bitches breed bigger dogs. However, if you want a level playing field, it would make more sense to run dogs and bitches separately because recent research (sorry - didn't bookmark it) shows that bitches have large left ventricles in their hearts than dogs. Non=ped racers in the 1950s always ecpected bitches to be faster than dogs which was why their champ races separate dogs and bitches.peppermint lady said:pmsl....but joking aside i do think the height limit should be 21inches, dog or bitch, and why ever not would you want to keep bitches out of the 32lb group anyway :wacko:Joanna said:We should start a BIG BITCH campaign. Who's in?Peppermint Julie
MaggieMay2
Myself
In all seriousness, it should be the same height regardless :thumbsup:
me no understand :unsure: :lol:
Gay
www.moonlake.co.uk
Strike Whippets said:moonlake said:The reason for reducing the height for bitches (not so long ago) was because big bitches breed bigger dogs. However, if you want a level playing field, it would make more sense to run dogs and bitches separately because recent research (sorry - didn't bookmark it) shows that bitches have large left ventricles in their hearts than dogs. Non=ped racers in the 1950s always ecpected bitches to be faster than dogs which was why their champ races separate dogs and bitches.peppermint lady said:pmsl....but joking aside i do think the height limit should be 21inches, dog or bitch, and why ever not would you want to keep bitches out of the 32lb group anyway :wacko:Joanna said:We should start a BIG BITCH campaign. Who's in?Peppermint Julie
MaggieMay2
Myself
In all seriousness, it should be the same height regardless :thumbsup:
me no understand :unsure: :lol:
Gay
www.moonlake.co.uk
Spot on ...Not only that if you allow bitches to be as big as dogs they lose type and femininity IMO .....
Yes Rob, Geoff did vote the way of his club members, as he was asked to - but why shouldn't he be able to vote for what he believes is right for racing? One vote for everyone I say :thumbsup:Rob Rixon said:The UK is the mother of democracies - so I would expect Geoff Cook to vote the way of his club - not the way he and he alone wanted.
I was surprised to read this Julie. Andover had a bend meeting on 9th March this year which you attended. We had scheduled another bend meeting for 6th April but, had to cancel on the day due to snow. The first championships were on 13th April. So I fail to see how it would have helped you if the WCRA had put on an extra bend meeting in March. For anyone wanting to do bend racing, I'm sure the clubs with permanent bend tracks: Maidstone, Independent, Stanborough and Harvel(curve), probably run bend meetings leading up to the bend championships. Regarding the fourth championships, if you want your dog to gain bend experience then you have to sacrifice going to straight opens in order to attend one of these clubs. Andover had intended putting on at least one bend meeting in September but, due to lack of experienced people to put up the bend track, and only two or three people actually wanting to run a bend, we decided to run straight meetings instead.peppermint lady said::thumbsup: brilliant idea june, i have missed the champs and 3 other bend meetings as my club has not run any bends, leaving me unable to clear 3 of mine for the bend i think a charity meeting would be a great idea :thumbsup: would it be held a morton in marsh?
judy has also raised some very good points :thumbsup: i also agree winning 3 champs to beome a WCRCH is abit much, considering the 22lb and 24lb groups are so big, and usually have to run 1/4 finals as well
dna :thumbsup: wont do any harm can only be a good thing :thumbsup:
Spot on again, on both counts.Strike Whippets said:moonlake said:The reason for reducing the height for bitches (not so long ago) was because big bitches breed bigger dogs. However, if you want a level playing field, it would make more sense to run dogs and bitches separately because recent research (sorry - didn't bookmark it) shows that bitches have large left ventricles in their hearts than dogs. Non=ped racers in the 1950s always ecpected bitches to be faster than dogs which was why their champ races separate dogs and bitches.peppermint lady said:pmsl....but joking aside i do think the height limit should be 21inches, dog or bitch, and why ever not would you want to keep bitches out of the 32lb group anyway :wacko:Joanna said:We should start a BIG BITCH campaign. Who's in?Peppermint Julie
MaggieMay2
Myself
In all seriousness, it should be the same height regardless :thumbsup:
me no understand :unsure: :lol:
Gay
www.moonlake.co.uk
Spot on ...Not only that if you allow bitches to be as big as dogs they lose type and femininity IMO .....
rob i know we ran bends at the start of the year but 2 of my 3 dogs i didnt feel old enough to be running bends at that point as they where under a year. also i can attend bourne end over the winter if i want to run and school for the 1st bend champs :thumbsup:SUNDANCE said:I was surprised to read this Julie. Andover had a bend meeting on 9th March this year which you attended. We had scheduled another bend meeting for 6th April but, had to cancel on the day due to snow. The first championships were on 13th April. So I fail to see how it would have helped you if the WCRA had put on an extra bend meeting in March. For anyone wanting to do bend racing, I'm sure the clubs with permanent bend tracks: Maidstone, Independent, Stanborough and Harvel(curve), probably run bend meetings leading up to the bend championships. Regarding the fourth championships, if you want your dog to gain bend experience then you have to sacrifice going to straight opens in order to attend one of these clubs. Andover had intended putting on at least one bend meeting in September but, due to lack of experienced people to put up the bend track, and only two or three people actually wanting to run a bend, we decided to run straight meetings instead.peppermint lady said::thumbsup: brilliant idea june, i have missed the champs and 3 other bend meetings as my club has not run any bends, leaving me unable to clear 3 of mine for the bend i think a charity meeting would be a great idea :thumbsup: would it be held a morton in marsh?
judy has also raised some very good points :thumbsup: i also agree winning 3 champs to beome a WCRCH is abit much, considering the 22lb and 24lb groups are so big, and usually have to run 1/4 finals as well
dna :thumbsup: wont do any harm can only be a good thing :thumbsup:
I am in favour of there being two 150 yard straights, one longer straight(maybe 200yards) and one bend for the championships. Not counting the WCRA championships, there were 16 straight opens and 4 bend opens this year. So it would be far more representative of whats happening on the open circuit to have three straights and one bend championship. As things currently stand, the dogs from the clubs with permanent bend tracks have a distinct advantage when it comes to the bend championships, as they will have had far more practice. I can think of a couple of dogs who have become champions by winning two bends but, have never won a straight open. On the other hand there are some dogs who have won fifteen or twenty opens but, haven't become champions. Which are the better dogs?
The height limit should be the same for dogs and bitches - 21 inches for both. I think its unlikely there would be many bitches over 20 but, it would allow breeders to use different stud dogs instead of 95% of breeders using the same five or six stud dogs that currently get used all the time. If you have a large bitch, you have to go to a small stud dog for fear of producing oversize whippets. By raising the bitch height limit would help with this problem which is currently seeing the gene pool become increasingly smaller.
Maybe dogs who win the superstar competitions should have an extra title before their name, because these dogs have consistently proven their worth over twelve opens throughout the year rather than just in two championship meetings.
It isn't raising the height limit per se, it is just accomodating all whippets equally.as soon as you start raising hieght limits people get/breed bigger dogs so they want the hieght limits raised again and again, a long slippery slop IMO.
Joanna said:It isn't raising the height limit per se, it is just accomodating all whippets equally.as soon as you start raising hieght limits people get/breed bigger dogs so they want the hieght limits raised again and again, a long slippery slop IMO.
I think Rob has made an excellent point regarding the gene pool and stud dogs. the knock on effect is healthier dogs perhaps? May-be a reduction in the incidence of cryptorchidism.
I think that we should embrace change and not resisit it. As I said earlier, give me a good reason why dogs and bitches have a different set of criteria and I will gladly listen. I accept your point Gay and have always thought bitches are at an advantage to dogs, I would be interested to see some statistics compiled from championships from the last 5 years or to see if this bears out (Judy :* ). If it does, it may be worth considering using larger weight groups and separating dogs and bitches. That would be radical :- " and I can't see the WCRA facilitating it, interesting to consider none-the-less.
Mark, I don't think any-one is advocating breeding larger bitches, just accepting that there are big whippets that are excluded whereas their male counterparts can compete. Hardly seems fair to me.
Judy said:I actually don't agree with a dog becoming a champion after only one win. Gaining the title should be hard. The non-peds have a much higher percentage of dogs with titles than us. I think making it easier would only devalue the title and that would be such a shame. The championships isn't just about the fun of gaining a title, it has a more serious role of identifying the really good dogs.
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