Badger's New Collar

[TC]

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[Unfortunately, it probably won't fit him until he's 14 weeks, but the good thing is, is it adjusts so will last him forever  (w00t)

I am lucky  8)

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Well there we have it folks - it will last him forever....notice the word last and not fit so it seems as though this will be ONLY collar TC will buy for poor little neglected Badger :wub:

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apart from the 4 she already has and the other 1 she has on order :teehee:

I love the collar, just wondering if it will be a special occassion collar, a travelling collar, a normal walking collar , a going to the pub collar, a meeting my fans collar or an eventing collar?

Anyway - looking forward to seeing the young man in it.

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Well it won't be a rolling in the mud collar that's for sure :angry: but I am sure it can fulfil any of the duties you have described Rae :- "

Oh, and you are waaaaaay behind on the collar tally now :wacko: He's got two lovely ones from Juley which are very sexy :wub: but I can't post pics as I have lent my camera to someone

 

[Rae]

Very nice collar, I am assuming that Dawn gave Badger this as a gift otherwise I would need to remind you of the following Forum Rules
Promotion of any goods or services where the poster or their close associates are the supplier of the goods or services is only acceptable in ‘The Market Place’. As an example it is alright to post in General Whippet a link to a site selling a collar you have bought as long you or a close associate are not the ones supplying the collars. This post would not be acceptable if you knew the seller personally or stood to make any gain from further sales.

Jenny

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I think that the market place is brilliant and support it totally. I do however find this a bit confusing - as Jenny is a market place moderator I presume that she's correct in saying that we can't show off our whippet goodies anymore? That would be a real shame IMO. Lots of us do know each other personally from racing/showing/coursing so how do you classify an associate? And how do we tell the difference between promotion of goods and services and 'showing off' for lack of a better phrase? I didnt see this particlar post as a promotion of the collar in order to generate sales for Dawn, it seemed to me to be a proud mum showing off a lovely collar for her eagerly awaited puppy and thanking Dawn for it. I'm a bit disconbobulated now :wacko:

I'm not trying to be inflamortary I'd just like a bit of clarification. o

 

[Trish]

love the collar tracey ,it will sit badger down to the ground :thumbsup: :wub:

 

[Nigel]

Seems the rules are getting a little confusing on K9!!

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I don't think the rules are confusing at all.

The problem is that a small minority of people are trying to undermine the new K9 rules to enable them to continue to sell goods through K9 for free. Unfortunately these people are spoiling it for the rest of us.

The rules say

Advertising & Selling on K9

 

* Advertising of goods or services is permissible in 'The Market Place' forum only. Advertising of livestock is not allowed.

 

* Advertising of goods or services in signatures is not allowed. This includes banners and text advertisements.

 

* Promotion of any goods or services where the poster or their close associates are the supplier of the goods or services is only acceptable in ‘The Market Place’. As an example it is alright to post in General Whippet a link to a site selling a collar you have bought as long you or a close associate are not the ones supplying the collars. This post would not be acceptable if you knew the seller personally or stood to make any gain from further sales.

What is confusing about that?

The post here is not within those rules and should have been removed - but we are trying to give everyone the opportunity to understand the new rules.

I would really like to be able to continue to give everyone the opportunity to advertise their goods on K9 for free but things move on and unfortunately the time has come for that to change.

 

[~JO~]

Seems the rules are getting a little confusing on K9!!

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I don't think the rules are confusing at all.

The problem is that a small minority of people are trying to undermine the new K9 rules to enable them to continue to sell goods through K9 for free. Unfortunately these people are spoiling it for the rest of us.

The rules say

Advertising & Selling on K9

 

* Advertising of goods or services is permissible in 'The Market Place' forum only. Advertising of livestock is not allowed.

 

* Advertising of goods or services in signatures is not allowed. This includes banners and text advertisements.

 

* Promotion of any goods or services where the poster or their close associates are the supplier of the goods or services is only acceptable in ‘The Market Place’. As an example it is alright to post in General Whippet a link to a site selling a collar you have bought as long you or a close associate are not the ones supplying the collars. This post would not be acceptable if you knew the seller personally or stood to make any gain from further sales.

What is confusing about that?

The post here is not within those rules and should have been removed - but we are trying to give everyone the opportunity to understand the new rules.

I would really like to be able to continue to give everyone the opportunity to advertise their goods on K9 for free but things move on and unfortunately the time has come for that to change.

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So what about the threads I put links too above - presumably these are breaking the rules as well?

 

[Nigel]

So what about the threads I put links too above - presumably these are breaking the rules as well?

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Looks like it.

I don't want to stop genuine interesting posts about things people have bought. But when the post is deliberately put on to allow traders to continue to advertise their goods for free we have to draw a line.

Are these traders (who have built a large portion of their business through K9) really so tight that they resent paying towards the upkeep of K9 and to charity?

 

[TC]

Sorry, I have only just logged on this morning.

I have just read that I have broken a K9 rule.

I am upset about that, obviously, but to be honest, I am also shocked.

Basically, this new rule that has been devised means that I can never post anything again really, well certainly not about anything that I have bought for my dogs I seem to have bought everything from K9ers recently, and I have been very lucky to receive some wonderful gifts.

I haven't done anything different from what I have done in the past, and I do find it incredibly sad that I (or others that do) won't be able to do it in the future.

The bottom line is that I am an avid fan of K9, I post everyday, and I also support people that have done things for me. I have always loved this forum, but things have clearly changed on here, and I think it's a shame.

I suppose the thread will be delted now, although it probably should remain so that everyone knows the rules.....I didn't know about this rule until it was posted last night.

Tx

 

[Juley]

I sell collars, mostly at shows, I'm happy to pay to advertise but reading the rules on TMP, I would seem to be commercial and at the moment would need to pay £10 for a 14 day ad. At £15 a collar ( which might not sell!!) it wouldn't be worth while. I'm happy to pay a percentage per collar sold OR a one off fee for a number of ads, that seems fair. Obviously, I don't expect to advertise for free but feel a percentage of sale price regardless of whether a one off sale or many sales would be fairer. If I sold 20, you would get more commision than if I just sold one or two anyway. Does this make sense? ( Its still early) :lol:

 

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So what about the threads I put links too above - presumably these are breaking the rules as well?

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Looks like it.

I don't want to stop genuine interesting posts about things people have bought. But when the post is deliberately put on to allow traders to continue to advertise their goods for free we have to draw a line.

Are these traders (who have built a large portion of their business through K9) really so tight that they resent paying towards the upkeep of K9 and to charity?

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I actually resent that comment Nigel if it is aimed at me.

Sorry, but I think it is a bit below the belt. You know that I am genuine, and you know that I have always posted about things.

If the other part of the comment is directed at Dawn...is she not paying for an advert currently? Genuine question.

I am quite disappointed that I can't take pictures of the collars that I bought from Juley last week on the boys, they look stunning. I fully intended to do that, but presume I can't post about those lovely ones either as I see Juley at shows and would class her as a close associate? Mind you, we are probably closer than we would be as I have now bought 16 collars from her

TCx

 

[Nigel]

I haven't done anything different from what I have done in the past, and I do find it incredibly sad that I (or others that do) won't be able to do it in the future.
The bottom line is that I am an avid fan of K9, I post everyday, and I also support people that have done things for me. I have always loved this forum, but things have clearly changed on here, and I think it's a shame.

Tx

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It's a shame that we have had to tighten up on this but it's been brought about by those selfish few.

We are very willing to listen to ways around this issue...

 

[~JO~]

So what about the threads I put links too above - presumably these are breaking the rules as well?

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Looks like it.

I don't want to stop genuine interesting posts about things people have bought. But when the post is deliberately put on to allow traders to continue to advertise their goods for free we have to draw a line.

Are these traders (who have built a large portion of their business through K9) really so tight that they resent paying towards the upkeep of K9 and to charity?

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So why haven't these been removed or anyhting been said on the actual thread? :blink: Of course I suppose they could have been warned

I am sure traders are not that 'tight' but it seems a shame now that we cannot post about our other community members wares.... :wacko:

I think this subject ought to be clarified in a new pinned post - as I am sure lots of others don't know about this new rule.

 

[TC]

I haven't done anything different from what I have done in the past, and I do find it incredibly sad that I (or others that do) won't be able to do it in the future.
The bottom line is that I am an avid fan of K9, I post everyday, and I also support people that have done things for me. I have always loved this forum, but things have clearly changed on here, and I think it's a shame.

Tx

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It's a shame that we have had to tighten up on this but it's been brought about by those selfish few.

We are very willing to listen to ways around this issue...

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I presume that means that you think I am selfish Nigel?

I don't think there are anyways round it. You have been quite clear on your stance, and we are now aware that we can either not buy from a K9 member if we wish to post about what we've bought, or we buy from elsewhere....

The trouble is, K9 brings us together. I would never have met or 'associated' with any of the people I have bought from recently without. So I'm sort of shot in the foot. Unless I never say thanks that it, I suppose.

I think Juley has made a very good post, something which K9 should take on board. The facts are there really for all to see. What you are asking is maybe slightly too much? I obviously hadn't thought about it from that perspective as I am not talented enough to make anything so don't have to worry about advertising.

I will say, that I am pleased that you haven't chosen to just delete this, but are giving me an opportunity to try and explain who I am.

TCx

 

[Juley]

Just another thought. If someone buys from me at a show, should they wish to post a "happy day out" pick with their dog wearing the collar and they are asked where they got it, what do they say? If I can advertise on here for a resonable percentage then I probably would and then any enquiries about items being worn on pix might lead to a sale and money for K9. I really don't mind what you decide, its your site. BUT I can't afford £10 per ad, suppose someone sells things that only cost £5. Its why I'm, suggesting a percentage, the more expensive, the more the fee.

 

[Loopy]

Over on LL anyone who makes/resells stuff to sell to other members donates a percentage to lurcherlink which I gather works quite well and when people receive their stuff they are perfectly at liberty to post pics and say who they got it from and how pleased they are therefore generating more sales and percentages!

Personally I think fixed price ads with time limit are likely to cut out all the small people who make things as a hobby so limiting the income for K9....

I think both collar and Badger are absolutely Gorgeous! :wub:

 

[kirislin]

This is harsh! I've written & deleted so many times, I just cant seem to word it right, but I can see why Tracy feels hurt by this.

Better remove all collars before taking photos of your whippets in case someone asks where you got the collar. Naked whippets only from now on?

Linda

 

[quintessence]

I sell collars, mostly at shows, I'm happy to pay to advertise but reading the rules on TMP, I would seem to be commercial and at the moment would need to pay £10 for a 14 day ad. At £15 a collar ( which might not sell!!) it wouldn't be worth while.  I'm happy to pay a percentage per collar sold OR a one off fee for a number of ads, that seems fair. Obviously, I don't expect to advertise for free but feel a percentage of sale price regardless of whether a one off sale or many sales would be fairer. If I sold 20, you would get more commision than if I just sold one or two anyway. Does this make sense? ( Its still early)  :lol:

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Welcome to the world of business Juley, no-one who advertises can guarantee sales, it's hit and miss, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. What you have to work out is how cost effective it is and the only way you can do that is trial and error. I wish I could buy advertising and pay £10 for 14 days (at present), to a specialist audience on a world wide basis.

Jenny

 

[jostler]

Well I just wanted to say Badger looks scrumptious :wub: love his fat paws AND the collar is very very smart :cheers: look forward to seeing the handsome chap in it when he's big enough :huggles:

 

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Just another thought. If someone buys from me at a show, should they wish to post a "happy day out" pick with their dog wearing the collar and they are asked where they got it, what do they say? If I can advertise on here for a resonable percentage then I probably would and then any enquiries about items being worn on pix might lead to a sale and money for K9. I really don't mind what you decide, its your site.  BUT I can't afford £10 per ad, suppose someone sells things that only cost £5. Its why I'm, suggesting a percentage, the more expensive, the more the fee.

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They could say "I'll pm you."

 

[TC]

Just another thought. If someone buys from me at a show, should they wish to post a "happy day out" pick with their dog wearing the collar and they are asked where they got it, what do they say? If I can advertise on here for a resonable percentage then I probably would and then any enquiries about items being worn on pix might lead to a sale and money for K9. I really don't mind what you decide, its your site.  BUT I can't afford £10 per ad, suppose someone sells things that only cost £5. Its why I'm, suggesting a percentage, the more expensive, the more the fee.

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They could say "I'll pm you."

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If this is the case, then surely that will lead to direct sales and K9 will miss out on commission anyway?

I also think that it is slightly bizarre to expect people to deal through back doors and it seems to me that this new rules may inflict that :blink:

 

[Juley]

I sell collars, mostly at shows, I'm happy to pay to advertise but reading the rules on TMP, I would seem to be commercial and at the moment would need to pay £10 for a 14 day ad. At £15 a collar ( which might not sell!!) it wouldn't be worth while.  I'm happy to pay a percentage per collar sold OR a one off fee for a number of ads, that seems fair. Obviously, I don't expect to advertise for free but feel a percentage of sale price regardless of whether a one off sale or many sales would be fairer. If I sold 20, you would get more commision than if I just sold one or two anyway. Does this make sense? ( Its still early)  :lol:

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Welcome to the world of business Juley, no-one who advertises can guarantee sales, it's hit and miss, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. What you have to work out is how cost effective it is and the only way you can do that is trial and error. I wish I could buy advertising and pay £10 for 14 days (at present), to a specialist audience on a world wide basis.

Jenny

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Um, I've run a business for many years, I understood it was £10 per item per 14 days. In my case £10 for every collar, not a general advert for all my wares. That is why I've not advertised, I don't break rules deliberately. Almost all my sales have come from shows, I ask that anyone who orders something I haven't got in stock, lets me know it has arrived safely, no more than that. I have a website with my wares on, I don't mention that on here either. I buy advertising for our business, Nigel said he was open to suggestions, mine was to have a percentage. If you don't wish to do that, that is fine by me, I don't wish to pay £10 per 14 days, about £260 per year. Frankly, I sell enough without advertising them every day.