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disagree i think theres more than 1 % of none peds scr greyhounds over the years should of read

As i stated dark ages ... and until such time DNA testing is done both organization will have to accept what members say there dogs are breed out of ...unless 100% of proof is obtained

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Am I just not understanding this or something? Regardless of whether anyone thinks its fair or not- even if a dog were to be 100% greyhound and even if the owner/breeder was quite open about it - if it were small enough to be "whippet like in appearance" with the rules as they stand at the moment, wouldn't it be within the rules to run it?

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NO certainly not greyhound blood was introduced into the non registered whippet (kennel club) breed way before the NNWRF and BWRA came into being a lot of racing being done then was on a time handicap somestill with a 32lb limit over the years the first cross has been bred to first cross and also greyhound hence the increase in the size of the non-ped whippet this has allways been accepted by the NWRF and later on by the BWRA who has a 32lb limit and they have been accommodated within the whippet racing, the term whippet like in appearance is because they they are whippet x greyhound so cannot be classified as pure whippet, a full greyhound is not knowingly accepted for racing in either of the organizations, can't see why anyone would want to breed a greyhound to race as a whippet there is absolutely nothing to be gained financially or other.

non-ped whippet racing is a hobby it is a family sport with a great social side it costs the majority of members a lot more than they are ever likely to win back

If any member has a complaint regarding any dog registerd with the NNWRF and can provide proof they can be assured it will be dealt with, I believe this would also apply with the BWRA

 

[milly]

disagree i think theres more than 1 % of none peds scr greyhounds over the years should of read

As i stated dark ages ... and until such time DNA testing is done both organization will have to accept what members say there dogs are breed out of ...unless 100% of proof is obtained

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Am I just not understanding this or something? Regardless of whether anyone thinks its fair or not- even if a dog were to be 100% greyhound and even if the owner/breeder was quite open about it - if it were small enough to be "whippet like in appearance" with the rules as they stand at the moment, wouldn't it be within the rules to run it?

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I can see where your coming from Judy, but when this rule (whippet like in appearance) was made I'm certain it was referring to non-ped dogs with whippet in their breeding, not a small greyhound x greyhound.

 

[milly]

disagree i think theres more than 1 % of none peds scr greyhounds over the years should of read

As i stated dark ages ... and until such time DNA testing is done both organization will have to accept what members say there dogs are breed out of ...unless 100% of proof is obtained

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Am I just not understanding this or something? Regardless of whether anyone thinks its fair or not- even if a dog were to be 100% greyhound and even if the owner/breeder was quite open about it - if it were small enough to be "whippet like in appearance" with the rules as they stand at the moment, wouldn't it be within the rules to run it?

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NO certainly not greyhound blood was introduced into the non registered whippet (kennel club) breed way before the NNWRF and BWRA came into being a lot of racing being done then was on a time handicap somestill with a 32lb limit over the years the first cross has been bred to first cross and also greyhound hence the increase in the size of the non-ped whippet this has allways been accepted by the NWRF and later on by the BWRA who has a 32lb limit and they have been accommodated within the whippet racing, the term whippet like in appearance is because they they are whippet x greyhound so cannot be classified as pure whippet, a full greyhound is not knowingly accepted for racing in either of the organizations, can't see why anyone would want to breed a greyhound to race as a whippet there is absolutely nothing to be gained financially or other.

non-ped whippet racing is a hobby it is a family sport with a great social side it costs the majority of members a lot more than they are ever likely to win back

If any member has a complaint regarding any dog registerd with the NNWRF and can provide proof they can be assured it will be dealt with, I believe this would also apply with the BWRA

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Then all the more reason to stop these cheats from racing full bred greyhounds.

ps. I have no probs with big non-ped bred scratch dogs, wether they are 36lb or even 70lb in weight

 

[longstone lass]

IF YOU WANT ANY FURTHE REPLIES COATSIE PUT YOUR PROPER NAME NEXT TO YOUR PICTURE

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coatsy is his name as all who no him will already no

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[Paws123]

No Judy if owners were open about a greyhounds breeding they would not be allowed to run ... this is why some have and will lie about breeding

At present there has been a couple of complaints about a couple of certain dogs been greyhounds registered and racing with the none ped scr dogs ... all i am trying to say is the way our systems rules ,regs ,proof of breeding is at present does not allow us to be 100% sure we could question any owner and make accusations that they were deliberately lying about certain dogs they are running

This is answer to Karen's post too

Also after reading a little about DNA testing if 50% greyhound x whippet was mated to 50% greyhound whippet the probability of the saplings may well be 100% greyhound ...so the way some of our none ped greyhound x Er's are been breed is very questionable to them been 100% greyhound anyway where they have none ped greyhound blood in them ...hope that makes sense

The problem some racers have is the size of dogs been breed of late ..it was common for many a small greyhound bitch to be lined with a small none ped whippet many moons ago hopefully producing some nice 36 - 40lbers and probably the odd small no limiter, yes some did go 50 / 60lb ... but over time the larger none ped 1 st cross whippet x greyhound dog has been getting used on greyhound bitches result in the size of the no limiters to become in the access of 60lb and over ... this is one of the main reasons i believe certain people would buy and run full greyhound in our none ped scr racing ..to compete not in speed but size and bulk against our over breed greyhound x 1st x greyhound x whippet

 

[longstone lass]

tell Mike Coatsy might be interested in Florance  :- "  (w00t)

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you stick to your broom you witch (w00t)

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now now hit a nerve did I there's dynamite in my broom :sorcerer:

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no no coatsy does not need another dog we ave r lot and anyway florance would,nt lik it ere cause coatsy loves custard creams too.lol :lol:

as for hiting a nerve coatsy got thick skin

rhonda

 

[longstone lass]

Bit unfair for mike and his kids , he was lead to believe the none ped whippet community where a friendly helpful lot

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bit unfair on the non-peds poor (aw rite) mike will be racing flo against

rhonda

 

[Paws123]

I'm well happy with Linda's reply regarding the NNWRF :thumbsup: I will now seek the opinion of the BWRA, and the IRG.Will post their opinion's later :thumbsup:

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IRG :thumbsup:

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IRG ??

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IRG

INDEPENDANT RACING GROUP, i THINK

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Yeah i know that but just wondered about your post "IRG" the meaning (w00t)

did you mean your happy with the answer from the IRG

 

[Paws123]

Bit unfair for mike and his kids , he was lead to believe the none ped whippet community where a friendly helpful lot

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bit unfair on the non-peds poor (aw rite) mike will be racing flo against

rhonda

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(aw rite) :- "

 

[milly]

I'm well happy with Linda's reply regarding the NNWRF :thumbsup: I will now seek the opinion of the BWRA, and the IRG.Will post their opinion's later :thumbsup:

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IRG :thumbsup:

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IRG ??

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IRG

INDEPENDANT RACING GROUP, i THINK

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Yeah i know that but just wondered about your post "IRG" the meaning (w00t)

did you mean your happy with the answer from the IRG

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Yes Dee, thats what the :thumbsup: means, they won't allow a full bred greyhound to race at their meetings :thumbsup: 2 down 1 to go :thumbsup: so lets hope it's :thumbsup: with them :thumbsup:

 

[Judy]

Thanks for the answers to my question. I'm slightly the wiser :thumbsup:

I think things would be made a lot easier for you all if "whippet like in appearance" was properly defined though but I can see that might be difficult to do. It must be a bit of a nightmare for those who get to decide :sweating:

 

[sherry]

like linda said b4 i cant c why someone wud want to race a full greyhound with non ped whippets. they deffo wudnt gain financially. the scratch @ big event like the derbys is nowehere near the same payout as the little ones. so why wud anyone want to race a full ghd with a whippet 4 a few pounds? doesnt make any sense 2 me. who is this supposed ghd people r complaining about anyway? for those that dont know i have a ghd x whippet cross. :thumbsup: weight approx 47lb

 

[mutley]

it would have to be a really good greyhound to compete with a good scratch dog over 150 yards (w00t) so who's got this supposed dog anyway and who has the proof to back this up :blink: i really think its due to the size in breeding that may attract some greyhounds into scratch racing but i dont agree with it theres been a few dubious scratch dogs passed of as non peds over past ten years or so :- " I'm not knocking scratch breeders for the size of dogs i think its upto the individual as how they breed as long as it does have non ped whippet in it would it matter if someone raced a non ped x salukie whippy shaped of course

 

[Paws123]

like linda said b4 i cant c why someone wud want to race a full greyhound with non ped whippets. they deffo wudnt gain financially. the scratch @ big event like the derbys is nowehere near the same payout as the little ones. so why wud anyone want to race a full ghd with a whippet 4 a few pounds? doesnt make any sense 2 me. who is this supposed ghd people r complaining about anyway? for those that dont know i have a ghd x whippet cross.  :thumbsup: weight approx 47lb

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Have to agree financially there would be no gain ...

I wont mention names of people or dogs Carole after all its only hearsay , maybe the people thats made the complaints might and who knows have proof after all they usually post a bit on k9 :thumbsup:

 

[MONSIEUR DUPONT]

like linda said b4 i cant c why someone wud want to race a full greyhound with non ped whippets. they deffo wudnt gain financially. the scratch @ big event like the derbys is nowehere near the same payout as the little ones. so why wud anyone want to race a full ghd with a whippet 4 a few pounds? doesnt make any sense 2 me. who is this supposed ghd people r complaining about anyway? for those that dont know i have a ghd x whippet cross.  :thumbsup: weight approx 47lb

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Have to agree financially there would be no gain ...

I wont mention names of people or dogs Carole after all its only hearsay , maybe the people thats made the complaints might and who knows have proof after all they usually post a bit on k9 :thumbsup:

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I don't think so mon cher

M D

 

[mutley]

(w00t) here we go

 

[jasper.]

anyway in sc racing bigger is not always better, look at wonderwall, 47lb, he kicked arse with the greyhounds, flapping at highgate, and he was 1/2 whippet... as well as in the none ped scene.. there have been a few dogs in the 40lb weight area over the years that have dominated over all weights, dark peak, 40lb, wicked bend times,..and what about casino, he could beat every thing in his day including greyhounds..there are plenty more,...

the only way you could guarentee dominating the none peds on the bends would be to buy an open class greyhound, and if you had one of these dogs then why **** about racing it for nothing with the none peds, when you could be entering it into good prize money greyhound opens...

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

o feck the mystery mans back

 

[Paws123]

o feck the mystery mans back

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Shall we have a Barby to celebrate lol

Thats the topic gone to the dogs then

 

[Paws123]

like linda said b4 i cant c why someone wud want to race a full greyhound with non ped whippets. they deffo wudnt gain financially. the scratch @ big event like the derbys is nowehere near the same payout as the little ones. so why wud anyone want to race a full ghd with a whippet 4 a few pounds? doesnt make any sense 2 me. who is this supposed ghd people r complaining about anyway? for those that dont know i have a ghd x whippet cross.  :thumbsup: weight approx 47lb

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Have to agree financially there would be no gain ...

I wont mention names of people or dogs Carole after all its only hearsay , maybe the people thats made the complaints might and who knows have proof after all they usually post a bit on k9 :thumbsup:

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I don't think so mon cher

M D

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So your now saying your identity's the sames as one of the people who's made the complaints ...interesting