British And American Whippets

[dragonfly]

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I do feel that personal comments such as "you are out of touch" are unnecessary and devalue any points that the poster may be making. Threads often stray off topic as do any conversations, especially long ones. . . . . . so it is hardly surprising that has happened here. Thanks Nicky and all contributors for an interesting & illuminating thread. I've enjoyed it.

Cathie

 

[*Mark*]

As the topic is about US & UK Whippets I was having a snoop around the US sites and came across the long haired whippet association! With a breed standard (thus the link to this thread)

Are they recognised by the American Kennel club?

If they are, are they shown?

Are they coming over to the UK?

More importantly is this really a pure breed recessive gene?? I don't understand colour genetics so I have no chance with long coats and short coats!

Or am I picking up on a web site that should only be read on April 1st (w00t)

http://home.ica.net/~westwood/breedstandard.htm

 

[parnew]

Perhaps we could start with a winning dog, then one not so good for showing from our own kennels to show what your own choice is and why you made it. This may be a better way to learn some of the way people choose and what they look for in a show puppy or racing puppy.

 

[T Hoare]

As the topic is about US & UK Whippets I was having a snoop around the US sites and came across the long haired whippet association! With a breed standard (thus the link to this thread)Are they recognised by the American Kennel club?

If they are, are they shown?

Are they coming over to the UK?

More importantly is this really a pure breed recessive gene?? I don't understand colour genetics so I have no chance with long coats and short coats!

Or am I picking up on a web site that should only be read on April 1st (w00t)  

http://home.ica.net/~westwood/breedstandard.htm

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Very interesting Mark, they do seem to look like what i expected ie a small version of a borzoi only not quite so humpy.

 

[*Mark*]

As the topic is about US & UK Whippets I was having a snoop around the US sites and came across the long haired whippet association! With a breed standard (thus the link to this thread)Are they recognised by the American Kennel club?

If they are, are they shown?

Are they coming over to the UK?

More importantly is this really a pure breed recessive gene?? I don't understand colour genetics so I have no chance with long coats and short coats!

Or am I picking up on a web site that should only be read on April 1st (w00t)  

http://home.ica.net/~westwood/breedstandard.htm

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Very interesting Mark, they do seem to look like what i expected ie a small version of a borzoi only not quite so humpy.

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Well funny you should say that, and I was thinking the same,

On one of the pages it states that the first came from kennels of an owner that had borzoi's, which makes you rub your chin a little, and say Mmmm

I have also just read that they are not recognised by the AKC, (thank goodness)

So I've answered my own question :b

 

[patsy]

Well said Axel. When this post was started it was about U.K/U.S.A Whippets.There have been a few interesting diversions but some have bordered on the obsessive almost to the point where Ive wanted to poke my eyes out in frustration! If anyone came on this board thinking about buying a Whippet they would probably think twice as the way some people on here would have it our beautiful breed is riddled with problems or if not that,well on its way to them.

You are clearly somewhat out of touch then. There are a number of lines, spread across all whippet types, that carry genetic health problems (autoimmune conditions, serious heart murmurs, cryptorchidism to name a few) and yes, anyone thinking of buying a whippet puppy - for whatever purpose - would do well to be aware of them, and ask some searching questions of breeders about the incidence of any of these problems in their line before buying.

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Well fewterer, thank-you for your insulting comment.No Im not out of touch as you so quaintly put it. I am well aware of the health problems in Whippets but I dont believe that the breed is going to hell in a hand basket.I think that the point that Axel and I were trying to make was that this thread was about U.K/ U.S.A Whippets and that if anyone wanted to discuss health issues start another thread. To be honest I am now getting rather fed up with this constant battering and innuendo from people who are not prepared to put their money where their mouths are and tellus what they know. Instead they would rather take a large brush and tar all of us with it.There are MANY of us who do the very best we can, the fact that our puppy buyers return for another puppy surely is evidence of that. No fewterer I am not of touch. 30 years plus in this breed has seen to that so dont you dare accuse of that.So that is it for me, you go ahead and continue. because I am fed up .and I am going to leave you to it. What started as fun is no longer.

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Now look what is happening to a very enjoyable thread, yet somebody else comes in that we have not got a clue who they are and yet more slagging of our very lovely breed that has been my life for over forty years. If there have been problems in any dedicated breeders lines I am sure that they have dealt with them. Most of the whippet breeders I count as very dear and loyal friends and I know that if they have had problems it would have been well discussed. In all livestock breeding things don't always run smoothly but as a whole in pedigree dogs breeders have been honest and it has cost them a lot of money to get their breed back on track and it has taken a lot of dedication.

Now Fewterer I have now got to persuade Nicky to come back and join us on a thread that I know she was enjoying so much. People like you spoil the breed more than the deadly deceases they seem to be carrying.

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How very right you are Patsy. I too was enjoying this thread very much. As I know many of us have lots of quite elderly Whippets eating us out of house and home they can't be carrying too many dreadful diseases!!

I would like to know if there are more all rounders that judge in the USA or more Whippet specialists that judge just the one breed?

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Juley I Would think that they do have a higher proportion of all rounders than we do, but am sure that Karen will give you a better insight than me. I think that we in England have the highest rate of breed specialist judging than anywhere else in the world.

 

[UKUSA]

I didnt think that I would be doing this again but in addition to the messages on this board Ive also recieved a lot of P.Ms. Iwould like to thank everyone for their support.......So here goes again!!!!

Mark, back in the mists of time when I lived in the States there was some talk about "longhaired whippets" The fellow that bred them claimed that he had found the gene that produced coated whippets in his whippets. So the American Whippet Club Ibelieve with an A.K.C rep went along to take a look and surprise, surprise he also bred Shelties. Now I think that some agreement was reached but at that time the A.W.C didnt want them to be called Longhaired Whippets. Im sure that one of our American friends will have more info.

Nicky

 

[patsy]

Perhaps we could start with a winning dog, then one not so good for showing from our own kennels to show what your own choice is and why you made it. This may be a better way to learn some of the way people choose and what they look for in a show puppy or racing puppy.

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It is a good idea Griff but I for one have not got a clue how to put pictures on this board. I would have to enlist two of of our glitter girls in the breed to do it for me.

 

[T Hoare]

Nice to see you back Nicky :thumbsup:

 

[dragonfly]

As the topic is about US & UK Whippets I was having a snoop around the US sites and came across the long haired whippet association! With a breed standard (thus the link to this thread)Are they recognised by the American Kennel club?

If they are, are they shown?

Are they coming over to the UK?

More importantly is this really a pure breed recessive gene?? I don't understand colour genetics so I have no chance with long coats and short coats!

Or am I picking up on a web site that should only be read on April 1st (w00t)  

http://home.ica.net/~westwood/breedstandard.htm

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Very interesting Mark, they do seem to look like what i expected ie a small version of a borzoi only not quite so humpy.

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Well funny you should say that, and I was thinking the same,

On one of the pages it states that the first came from kennels of an owner that had borzoi's, which makes you rub your chin a little, and say Mmmm

I have also just read that they are not recognised by the AKC, (thank goodness)

So I've answered my own question :b

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I remember a big debate at the first whippet congress in Vermont about "long haired whippets", a lot of people were up in arms.

Maybe one day they will be recognised but only I would hope as a separate breed NOT a whippet, all breeds started somewhere and I see no reason why a new breed should not be "developed". I would have a quarrel with calling them whippets & I certainly don't buy the recessive longhaired gene argument, it has not popped up anywhere else in spite of plenty of close breeding.

However I really do think there is a place for the development of new breeds if only for the maintenance of healthy canines in the very long term.

Running for cover

Cathie

 

[patsy]

I didnt think that I would be doing this again but in addition to the messages on this board Ive also recieved a lot of P.Ms.  Iwould like to thank everyone for their support.......So here goes again!!!!Mark, back in the mists of time when I lived in the States there was some talk about "longhaired whippets" The fellow that bred them claimed that he had found the gene that produced coated whippets in his whippets. So the American Whippet Club Ibelieve with an A.K.C rep went along to take a look and surprise, surprise he also bred Shelties. Now I think that some agreement was reached but at that time the A.W.C didnt want them to be called Longhaired Whippets. Im sure that one of our American friends will have more info.

Nicky

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I have seen this site for long haired whippets too. It reared its ugly head many years ago and they were blaming a famous whippet kennel not so many miles from you Mark, your dad knew it well, you were just a little boy. There was no truth in this at all. I don't if these so called long haired whippets are the breed that they are wanting to call Silken Windhunds or this is another cross.

 

[T Hoare]

As the topic is about US & UK Whippets I was having a snoop around the US sites and came across the long haired whippet association! With a breed standard (thus the link to this thread)Are they recognised by the American Kennel club?

If they are, are they shown?

Are they coming over to the UK?

More importantly is this really a pure breed recessive gene?? I don't understand colour genetics so I have no chance with long coats and short coats!

Or am I picking up on a web site that should only be read on April 1st (w00t)  

http://home.ica.net/~westwood/breedstandard.htm

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Very interesting Mark, they do seem to look like what i expected ie a small version of a borzoi only not quite so humpy.

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Well funny you should say that, and I was thinking the same,

On one of the pages it states that the first came from kennels of an owner that had borzoi's, which makes you rub your chin a little, and say Mmmm

I have also just read that they are not recognised by the AKC, (thank goodness)

So I've answered my own question :b

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I remember a big debate at the first whippet congress in Vermont about "long haired whippets", a lot of people were up in arms.

Maybe one day they will be recognised but only I would hope as a separate breed NOT a whippet, all breeds started somewhere and I see no reason why a new breed should not be "developed". I would have a quarrel with calling them whippets & I certainly don't buy the recessive longhaired gene argument, it has not popped up anywhere else in spite of plenty of close breeding.

However I really do think there is a place for the development of new breeds if only for the maintenance of healthy canines in the very long term.

Running for cover

Cathie

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Sorry if it's going off tangent.

I think there is enough breeds without creating more. IMO

 

[julie_s]

As the topic is about US & UK Whippets I was having a snoop around the US sites and came across the long haired whippet association! With a breed standard (thus the link to this thread)Are they recognised by the American Kennel club?

If they are, are they shown?

Are they coming over to the UK?

More importantly is this really a pure breed recessive gene?? I don't understand colour genetics so I have no chance with long coats and short coats!

Or am I picking up on a web site that should only be read on April 1st (w00t)  

http://home.ica.net/~westwood/breedstandard.htm

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Very interesting Mark, they do seem to look like what i expected ie a small version of a borzoi only not quite so humpy.

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Well funny you should say that, and I was thinking the same,

On one of the pages it states that the first came from kennels of an owner that had borzoi's, which makes you rub your chin a little, and say Mmmm

I have also just read that they are not recognised by the AKC, (thank goodness)

So I've answered my own question :b

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I remember a big debate at the first whippet congress in Vermont about "long haired whippets", a lot of people were up in arms.

Maybe one day they will be recognised but only I would hope as a separate breed NOT a whippet, all breeds started somewhere and I see no reason why a new breed should not be "developed". I would have a quarrel with calling them whippets & I certainly don't buy the recessive longhaired gene argument, it has not popped up anywhere else in spite of plenty of close breeding.

However I really do think there is a place for the development of new breeds if only for the maintenance of healthy canines in the very long term.

Running for cover

Cathie

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Ah I was talking to someone about these the other day but they are calledsilken windhounds. So is this another small longcoated sighthound on the horizon?

 

[patsy]

As the topic is about US & UK Whippets I was having a snoop around the US sites and came across the long haired whippet association! With a breed standard (thus the link to this thread)Are they recognised by the American Kennel club?

If they are, are they shown?

Are they coming over to the UK?

More importantly is this really a pure breed recessive gene?? I don't understand colour genetics so I have no chance with long coats and short coats!

Or am I picking up on a web site that should only be read on April 1st (w00t)  

http://home.ica.net/~westwood/breedstandard.htm

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Very interesting Mark, they do seem to look like what i expected ie a small version of a borzoi only not quite so humpy.

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Well funny you should say that, and I was thinking the same,

On one of the pages it states that the first came from kennels of an owner that had borzoi's, which makes you rub your chin a little, and say Mmmm

I have also just read that they are not recognised by the AKC, (thank goodness)

So I've answered my own question :b

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I remember a big debate at the first whippet congress in Vermont about "long haired whippets", a lot of people were up in arms.

Maybe one day they will be recognised but only I would hope as a separate breed NOT a whippet, all breeds started somewhere and I see no reason why a new breed should not be "developed". I would have a quarrel with calling them whippets & I certainly don't buy the recessive longhaired gene argument, it has not popped up anywhere else in spite of plenty of close breeding.

However I really do think there is a place for the development of new breeds if only for the maintenance of healthy canines in the very long term.

Running for cover

Cathie

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Sorry if it's going off tangent.

I think there is enough breeds without creating more. IMO

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Quite agree Tracey. CATHIE run for cover you will be like the Germans and have a breed that goes up every mountain, and Nicky and I thought that we that we had seen many like them running the streets.

 

[Seraphina]

However  I really do  think there is a place for the development of new breeds if only for the  maintenance of healthy canines in the very long term.

Cathie

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The problem with newly created breeds is precisely opposite. It is almost impossible to maintain healthy genetic diversity.

 

[quintessence]

Having owned both Borzois and Whippets why would someone want to spoil either breed.

jenny

 

[doris]

I remember a big debate at the first whippet congress in Vermont about "long haired whippets", a lot of people were up in arms. Maybe one day they will be recognised but only I would hope as a separate breed NOT a whippet, all breeds started somewhere and I see no reason why a new breed should not be "developed". I would have a quarrel with calling them whippets & I certainly don't buy the recessive longhaired gene argument, it has not popped up anywhere else in spite of plenty of close breeding.

However  I really do  think there is a place for the development of new breeds if only for the  maintenance of healthy canines in the very long term.

Running for cover

Cathie

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I agree, all breeds do start somewhere, look at modern breeds like whippets :- "

But Long Haired Whippets? I don't think so!

 

[patsy]

However  I really do  think there is a place for the development of new breeds if only for the  maintenance of healthy canines in the very long term.

Cathie

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The problem with newly created breeds is precisely opposite. It is almost impossible to maintain healthy genetic diversity.

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We are going to form a syndicate and breed a very healthy breed and export to you Seraphina.

 

[seaspot_run]

So....what's our current topic?

I know there was a thread on longhaired "whippets" here not long ago, because I posted on it. Maybe someone with good search skillz can find it and resurrect it?

The Longhaired Whippet, Silken Windsprite, Silken Windhounds, et al. show under their own aegis here in the USA, or at rare breed shows or all-sighthhound match shows (which is our most informal classification).

I judged a Longhaired Whippet show last year and I have very interesting photos to share of my day. I'm not opposed to new breed creation so long as the people involved are candid about the origins of their new breed and are doing with a longrange goal of creating a new niche purebred instead of a "designer dog" to sell for big money such as been the case over here with Labradoodles, Cockapoos, and so forth.

 

[Seraphina]

However  I really do  think there is a place for the development of new breeds if only for the  maintenance of healthy canines in the very long term.

Cathie

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The problem with newly created breeds is precisely opposite. It is almost impossible to maintain healthy genetic diversity.

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We are going to form a syndicate and breed a very healthy breed and export to you Seraphina.

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Yes that would be one way to do that, but no thanks to long haired Whippets for me. Our last Borzoi died 4 years ago, and I still occasionally find white Borzoi hair!!! I miss my Borzois but not the crowds of white dust bunnies that used to over run my house.