Racing/lure coursing

[Mark Roberts]

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A few more that might be persuaded to come from the Lancashire PWRC & Northwest Lure Coursing Club.

Jue332's Gracie

and Evie (white jacket)

and maybe Lesley and Andy will put the 2 Calenna girls in.

Roony (took part in this years Crufts)

 

[~JO~]

You'll have to qualify for Crufts like everyone else 1st, 2nd or 3rd in a qualifying class at a Championship show :thumbsup:

 

[dessie]

You'll have to qualify for Crufts like everyone else 1st, 2nd or 3rd in a qualifying class at a Championship show  :thumbsup:

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Yes, I think that is the case as well.

 

[Mark Roberts]

You'll have to qualify for Crufts like everyone else 1st, 2nd or 3rd in a qualifying class at a Championship show

When I asked someone at Crufts they said as the racing/lure coursing class was just a novelty class you just filled an entry form in there was no qualification to enter? can someone in the know let us know 100% what the rules are.

 

[~JO~]

2. THE FOLLOWING ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS A DOG MUST HAVE FOR ENTRY AT CRUFTS 2007:

A. ENTRY IN BREED CLASSES AT CRUFTS 2007, WHERE CHALLENGE CERTIFICATES ARE OFFERED.

A dog is eligible for entry in breed classes where Challenge Certificates are offered if it has qualified in any of the following ways under the Rules and Regulations of the Kennel Club:

(1) If it is a Champion, Show Champion, Field Trial Champion, Working Trial Champion, Obedience Champion or Agility Champion under the Rules of the Kennel Club.

(2) If it is entered in the Kennel Club Stud Book, or qualifies for entry in the Kennel Club Stud Book by 8 January 2007.

(3) If it is entered in the Kennel Club Stud Book, or qualifies for entry in the Kennel Club Stud Book by 8 January 2007 through Field Trials or Working Trials.

(4) If it has won any of the following prizes in a breed class (as defined in Kennel Club Regulations for the Definitions of Classes at Championship Shows) at a Championship Show, including Crufts, where Challenge Certificates were offered for the breed between 6 January 2006 and 8 January 2007.

i. First, Second or Third in Minor Puppy Class

ii. First, Second or Third in Puppy Class

iii. First, Second or Third in Junior Class

iv. First, Second or Third in Yearling Class (For Breeds in Stud Book Band E only – see list below)

v. First, Second or Third in Post Graduate Class

vi. First, Second or Third in Limit Class

vii. First, Second or Third in Open Class

viii. First, Second or Third in Veteran Class

STUD BOOK BAND E

Hound Group – Afghan Hound, Whippet

Gundog Group – Irish Setter, Retriever (Flat Coated), Retriever (Golden), Retriever (Labrador), Spaniel (Cocker)

Terrier Group – Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Utility Group –

Pastoral Group – Bearded Collie, Border Collie, Shetland Sheepdog

Working Group – Boxer, Dobermann, Great Dane, Rottweiler

Toy Group – Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

(5) If it has won a First Prize in any breed class at Crufts 2006. (NB. This is in addition to those dogs which have qualified in classes listed under 2 a (4) above).

(6) If it has been awarded a 5-point or higher Green Star at a Show held under the Rules and Regulations of the Irish Kennel Club.

(7) If a Beagle, has won a First Prize at a Hound Show between 6 January 2006 and 8 January 2007 held under the Rules and Regulations of the Masters of Harriers and Beagles Association.

( 8) Premier Open Show

For dogs that have been declared best of breed provided there were more than three breed classes (more than five classes for Stud Book Band E breeds) scheduled for the breed between 6 January 2006 and 8 January 2007.

(9) If it has won Best in Show, Reserve Best in Show or Best Puppy in Show at a General or Group Open Show between 6 January 2006 and 8 January 2007.

 

[Mark Roberts]

But does that apply to the racing class as there arnt any CC's on offer for that class are there?.

all a bit confusing this showing lark.

 

[TC]

Mark,

These rules do apply for this class, as the winner of this class will go forward with all other class winners to compete for the Dog Challenge Certificate.

 

[aslan]

Sorry, Rooney Turbo Dog but with that comment you ARE going to offend the owner of the BOB winner, regardless of how you try and justify it. The biggest event of the show year, your dog wins BOB, one of the most glorious wins one could ever hope for and someone says "how the hell did that dog win?"

I don't know Alayna or the dog at all (except that she is mentioned as the winning owner on here) but, for God's sake, can't you just let someone have their moment in the sun?

I have no idea how long you've been in the breed, and perhaps I am talking to an expert, but comments like that are best kept to yourself.

I gather you are from the racing fraternity? Put yourself in a similar situation ... you've been working and training your dog for a very big prestigious race ... the biggest of the racing calendar and your dog wins it. Then someone gets on a public forum and says "how the hell did that dog win that?" What does the comment suggest?

Secondly Mark - you are a k9 moderator ... you have "highjacked" (unconsciously though it may have been) a results thread and turned it into a discussion on whether a certain class should be allowed to exist as it is .... this is a completely different topic .... and it is bringing up age old discussions that will go on forever - you should have started another thread, or once it started to gain momentum have it shifted. And I would at this point like to ask Wendy or Nigel to move this discussion to a thread of its own. I would also like to say that in essence I agree with you, Mark - if a dog is going to be entered in the racing/coursing class - it should be a dog that races or courses on a fairly regular basis (but what would be determined as regular enough?). OR perhaps the name of the class should be modified to Racing/Coursing Bred - that way people who own a r/c bred dog but who don't actually participate in the pursuit could still enter their dog.

In general, to no-one in particular -

Jue's Gracie doesn't look like a "prick-eared, cowhocked miner's dog" to me. I don't know her background but she looks like a well-conformed whippet puppy.

And unless my memory is failing me Lesley's two "Calenna" girls are show bred - and from the Dumbriton kennel no less - am I wrong? So if they are being held up as two good examples of racing whippets who should be entering shows then isn't the old argument (which has sprung up here again) that show bred whippets can't do what they were originally intended to do, being negated?

I have always maintained that a well put together racing dog should be able to win at shows. Racing people (from the discussions I have witnessed on k9 over the years) seem to maintain that racing bred whippets are different and have gone so far as to say that they are straight shouldered, have less chest, and are often cow-hocked. I don't believe that is necessarily true across the board. I have seen some very nice racing bred whippets. And what about the stacks of American/Canadian dogs who participate and win in both pursuits? With regard to ears ... as far as I can tell a lot of racing whippets are only prick-eared because racing breeders don't care about ears! "They don't run on their ears" - how many times have we heard that?

Finally, I am tired of the rubbishing that show dogs get from the racing people. And I am yet to see on this site show people rubbishing racing whippets in the same manner and so often. When it all boils down a whippet is a whippet and its owner chooses what pursuit/s they will participate in. If you don't like showing or the dogs who do it, stay away and don't keep telling us how horrible our dogs are. We love them just like you love yours.

I often fantasized that I'd like to live in England and be involved in racing (as well as showing) but gees, some of the people that keep voicing their "Holier than thou" attitudes on this site have really put me off. They love to pop into the showing forums and stir the pot. I have also felt this attitude in the chat room. It just seems like there are some who love to perpetuate the segregation! And for me they are succeeding! I pop into the ped racing section from time to time too - but I have never made derogatory comments about any of the dogs in particular or racing dogs in general. Why would I? I like to see what people are achieving with their dogs even if I don't participate in that endeavour - I can appreciate that those who do put a lot of time and effort into it and it's not my place to tell them their dog is horrible.

PS - rather than having to type racing/coursing/lure coursing every time - you can assume that I mean that nearly every time I have used the word 'racing'

 

[Mark Roberts]

And I would at this point like to ask Wendy or Nigel to move this discussion to a thread of its own.

You could always have asked me to split it?

 

[aslan]

And I would at this point like to ask Wendy or Nigel to move this discussion to a thread of its own.

You could always have asked me to split it?

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Thought I had to ask Nigel or Wendy as they are the moderators for this forum. Ok ... could you do it please? :* :lol:

 

[Mark Roberts]

it should be a dog that races or courses on a fairly regular basis (but what would be determined as regular enough?). OR perhaps the name of the class should be modified to Racing/Coursing Bred - that way people who own a r/c bred dog but who don't actually participate in the pursuit could still enter their dog.

Personaly I wouldnt like to see show bred dogs excluded from a racing class but I would like to see tighter restrictions on what constitutes the qualification to be classedc as a racing/lure coursing dog.

I talked to a very well known Lady who had a bitch in the Bitch racing/lure coursing class who when I asked her had her bitch ever raced or lure course she replied "oh yes I ran her once 2 years ago at ????????" now in my mind that doesnt constitute a racing/lure coursing qualification?.

maybe a class for race breds would be a good idea BUT we'd then have to decided what is/isnt race bred ect.

my intention wasnt actualy to highjack a thread but as it was a results page my comments were aimed at the results from the racing/lure coursing class but obviously I was only on the spot on friday in the UK and your view as an Aussie obviously is more important in the fact it will never actualy effect you?

 

[Mark Roberts]

splitting it now.

 

[starswift]

well said lana :thumbsup:

 

[aslan]

my intention wasnt actualy to highjack a thread but as it was a results page my comments were aimed at the results from the racing/lure coursing class but obviously I was only on the spot on friday in the UK and your view as an Aussie obviously is more important in the fact it will never actualy effect you?

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Now, now - no need to get narky ... let's :* and make-up! :lol:

No it will never affect me but I am entitled to my two cents worth ... just like everybody else.

Of course I realised it wasn't your intention - that's why I put the word highjacked in inverted commas and also added "unintentional though it may have been."

 

[Mark Roberts]

Right that should be sorted now, if i've left any in the wronge place please accept my appologies.

Right at the recent talk in the Sec of the English Whippet club made a comment of "well any whippet can race" or words to that effect in from of about 40 racing people, now I know most including myself took that as a derogarory comment towards racing dogs as lets face it "anything can race?"

Aslan, i've always had the upmost respect for you and your views and I have no quarms about writing such in poublic.

But I do feel this racing class at shows not just crufts needs looking into, a lot of show owners say they would like to see race breds better representeds but I know most racers feel it would be a waste of time entering the way its set up at the moment.

 

[~JO~]

I think Aslans comment should be included on the other thread too....

 

[aslan]

I've made a reference to this one Jo, thanks.

 

[Joanna]

IMO maybe there should be a class for true race bred whippets

Sadly Mark, they would be laughed out of the ring. Apple heads, curly tails, pointy up ears :lol:

I have to say that I am having a very hard job thinking of any of the racing bred whippets I have seen passing muster and conforming to the breed standard. As with show breds, the racing whippet has evolved into a different type over the years, and I think people who have a racing bred dog, develop a different eye. I know mine has changed, and looking at Archie(my show-bred), I have thinned him right down and the boy does have muscles and a spine now! Saying that, if the dogs have to qualify for Crufts in the usual manner, I don't think you will EVER see a true racing bred dog in the ring. May-be we should let the showers stick to showing and the racers stick to racing and never the twain shall meet. I have been saying for a very long time that the two types of whippet are almost turning into separate breeds.

 

[Mark Roberts]

I agree totaly Joanna that whippets have split into 2 if not 3 destinct type Racing, Showing and maybe even working types (as they dont realy 100% fit into either of the 1st 2)

anyway thats my whole point as whippets have split into 2 destince types then surely the racing class should be aimed at racing breds not show breds or have 2 classes show breds that race/lure course and a class for true race breds..

the racing rules were changed a few years back to include a 32lb group at the racing champs so that show breds could take part so maybe its time showing opened its doors a little wider to allow race breds to compeat in the worlds best show event.

I feel a little sad that my questions have been seen by some as a slant on show bred whippets, I love all types of whippets I just feel disapointed that a class that could be used to bring all whippet owners a little closer keeps us apart.

lets face it Crufts on Saturday was like an Open race meeting with all the racers that were there, next Year the Lancashire will hopfully be bringing its members down in a mini bus for a day out on the Sunday, racers do support Crufts so it would be nice to be included in a little more detail.

 

[midlanderkeith]

I agree totaly Joanna that whippets have split into 2 if not 3 destinct type Racing, Showing and maybe even working types (as they dont realy 100% fit into either of the 1st 2)
anyway thats my whole point as whippets have split into 2 destince types then surely the racing class should be aimed at racing breds not show breds or have 2 classes show breds that race/lure course and a class for true race breds..

the racing rules were changed a few years back to include a 32lb group at the racing champs so that show breds could take part so maybe its time showing opened its doors a little wider to allow race breds to compeat in the worlds best show event.

I feel a little sad that my questions have been seen by some as a slant on show bred whippets, I love all types of whippets I just feel disapointed that a class that could be used to bring all whippet owners a little closer keeps us apart.

lets face it Crufts on Saturday was like an Open race meeting with all the racers that were there, next Year the Lancashire will hopfully be bringing its members down in a mini bus for a day out on the Sunday, racers do support Crufts so it would be nice to be included in a little more detail.

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show bred whippets, mmm, i'll tell you summat now, ive been very reluctant to bring along my show bred whippet to have a bash at racing, cos i feel it in my bones that she will still be in the traps when yours have crossed the finnishing line, never the less im looking forward to giving her a go this year, lets not drive a wedge here between working showing or wot av you, a whippet is a whippet in my book, some fine looking racy muscular whippies out there what chance as jill got, eh, but she would love a go i know this.

keith