Racing/lure coursing

[*Lesley*]

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I still can't understand why racers and lure coursers want to show at crufts, show dogs are there because they are pleasing to the judges eye from going to shows and winning, I wouldn't want mine in a class that would be seen as not being good enough for the main ring, it would be like entering the waggiest tail competition,racing is where my whippets excel not showing so I wouldn't even bother to let them treat mine as 'not good enough to be proper show dogs'

The show dogs deserve to be there as they put in the shows we deserve to be at the racing championships because we put in the racing :thumbsup:

Sorry to racers or showers if any of my oppinions offend :huggles:

 

[Mark Roberts]

No, I do think it's been good, it would just be very nice to get to the bottom of it all

I agree, The Kennel Club needs to clarify a couple of details IMO.

1/ how do you actualy qualify for the R/LC class

2/ What constitutes a dog being classed as Racing/Lure Coursing for the Class (ie: having seen a race, took part in a race, won at an open ect ect)

Hopefully they will ring you back when they finaly find someone who knows the rules? Surely more than 1 person at the KC knows how you qualify for all the classes unless its 1 of those grey areas in which case it will lead to bad feeling.

lets say we find out having won a race lets you enter I can see a lot of show people being annoyed (which is understandable)

but then you've got the dogs as i've stated earlyer who either had run once or not run at all and that agrreves that racers that a class for R/LC whippets is being abused by a small miority whilste true genuine R/LC whippets are ecluded.

 

[TC]

I still can't understand why racers and lure coursers want to show at crufts, show dogs are there because they are pleasing to the judges eye from going to shows and winning, I wouldn't want mine in a class that would be seen as not being good enough for the main ring, it would be like entering the waggiest tail competition,racing is where my whippets excel not showing so I wouldn't even bother to let them treat mine as 'not good enough to be proper show dogs' 
The show dogs deserve to be there as they put in the shows we deserve to be at the racing championships because we put in the racing :thumbsup:

Sorry to racers or showers if any of my oppinions offend :huggles:

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Lesley,

That's really what all this is about. There are lots of people that think both ways, although I have never considered the R/LC class to be like the 'waggiest tail' as I truly believed that all of the dogs in the class had been qualified for crufts AND had excelled at either lure coursing or racing or both, so for me, this is a fantastic class :thumbsup:

That's why I've been so shocked by what's being said, in that the dogs in this class have not traditionally qualified :thumbsup: Jo and I have both said during this topic that the winner of this class goes into the challenge for best dog

I don't think you're going to offend anyone, and at the end of the day, you can do whatever pursuits you like with your whippets, as can we all :huggles:

 

[Mark Roberts]

I still can't understand why racers and lure coursers want to show at crufts

well in that case why do you race your 2 show breds? (obviously I know why) but its just the same as why some would like to be involved at crufts?.

 

[Alayna Morland]

Ok not sure if you will be able to view the link without becoming a member so i'll hightlight the dogs pedigree that I refered to that was 24 1/2".
his owner wrote that his KC whippet was 14 months old and measured 24 1/2" at the shoulder (theres some pics if you can view without joining)

His Sire is Jendale Nightowl who's lines go back to Ch Oakbark Mane Attraction and Flarepath Eridon, Pencloe Dutch Gold.

His dams Crystal Starlets who's pedigree includs Avismar lines, Towercrest Lines and Sooty sam (2 lines)

24 1/2" whippet click here.

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I think maybe this post should be retracted, I know Oakbark,Flarepath, Towercrest and Pencloe would be quite insulted to be linked with a 24 1/2 inch dog, after all this probably has not come about as a result of their lines.

Alayna

 

[Mark Roberts]

the post isn't a slant on anyones lines but its fact behind the breeding, i've not posted it to offend but in reply to another poster, the pedigree is available through the link

 

[Angela Bayley]

Just re read the schedule and I think quite a few of us are very confused  :b   ......... Yes it would seem that the racing class is for dogs that have qualified correctly ........I wonder how many other dogs have entered incorrectly 

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I've entered this class every year since 2001, occasionally with a dog that only qualified by winning a coursing stake, not by showing.

I had been told this was correct by someone with more than 30 year's experience in the breed who both coursed and awarded CCs. I *believe* that this did not apply to lure coursing this year but I may be wrong about this (it has been known!). Perhaps someone high up in the BSFA will know.

To my mind it would be a good idea if the dog's racing/lure qualification was printed in the catalogue alongside the name?

 

[quintessence]

I still can't understand why racers and lure coursers want to show at crufts, show dogs are there because they are pleasing to the judges eye from going to shows and winning, I wouldn't want mine in a class that would be seen as not being good enough for the main ring, it would be like entering the waggiest tail competition,racing is where my whippets excel not showing so I wouldn't even bother to let them treat mine as 'not good enough to be proper show dogs' 
The show dogs deserve to be there as they put in the shows we deserve to be at the racing championships because we put in the racing :thumbsup:

Sorry to racers or showers if any of my oppinions offend :huggles:

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It's not like that Lesley, as we have already established the dogs are there first and foremost because they have all met the qualification rules for that breed. As an exhibitor you then decide which class to enter your dog in, each class has its own rules if you like depending upon the age of the dog and amount of winning the dog has achieved etc, dogs which are entered in the racing/lure coursing class satisfy the criteria for that class, so there is no question of them not being good enough for the main ring, there is no main ring in the breed just a series of classes.

All unbeaten dogs then challenge for the top award within their own sex, each dog and bitch then challenge for Best of Breed and Bingo there you have the whippet

(this year Silver) going into the group for Best Hound. I don't want you to think that anyone feels inferior, we are all there trying our best to win whichever class we are in be it Puppy, Limit, or Racing/Lure Coursing.

The thread seems to have made it appear more complicated than it actually is

 

[*Lesley*]

I still can't understand why racers and lure coursers want to show at crufts, show dogs are there because they are pleasing to the judges eye from going to shows and winning, I wouldn't want mine in a class that would be seen as not being good enough for the main ring, it would be like entering the waggiest tail competition,racing is where my whippets excel not showing so I wouldn't even bother to let them treat mine as 'not good enough to be proper show dogs' 
The show dogs deserve to be there as they put in the shows we deserve to be at the racing championships because we put in the racing :thumbsup:

Sorry to racers or showers if any of my oppinions offend :huggles:

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Lesley,

That's really what all this is about. There are lots of people that think both ways, although I have never considered the R/LC class to be like the 'waggiest tail' as I truly believed that all of the dogs in the class had been qualified for crufts AND had excelled at either lure coursing or racing or both, so for me, this is a fantastic class :thumbsup:

That's why I've been so shocked by what's being said, in that the dogs in this class have not traditionally qualified :thumbsup: Jo and I have both said during this topic that the winner of this class goes into the challenge for best dog

I don't think you're going to offend anyone, and at the end of the day, you can do whatever pursuits you like with your whippets, as can we all :huggles:

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I'm not knocking the class I just wouldn't fight for it, I'm not saying you shouldn't but if a load of show folk decided to put there show dogs in the racing champs I'm sure the racing folk would wonder why, and probably think that the sport was being belittled by it, I just think the show dogs have earned their place at crufts, its a show its not based on ability its based on looks.

I still can't understand why racers and lure coursers want to show at crufts

well in that case why do you race your 2 show breds? (obviously I know why) but its just the same as why some would like to be involved at crufts?.

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Because they enjoy it but I wouldn't enter them at the Champs because they are not fast enough, but I also wouldn't take them to crufts because I dont show

 

[*Lesley*]

I still can't understand why racers and lure coursers want to show at crufts, show dogs are there because they are pleasing to the judges eye from going to shows and winning, I wouldn't want mine in a class that would be seen as not being good enough for the main ring, it would be like entering the waggiest tail competition,racing is where my whippets excel not showing so I wouldn't even bother to let them treat mine as 'not good enough to be proper show dogs' 
The show dogs deserve to be there as they put in the shows we deserve to be at the racing championships because we put in the racing :thumbsup:

Sorry to racers or showers if any of my oppinions offend :huggles:

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It's not like that Lesley, as we have already established the dogs are there first and foremost because they have all met the qualification rules for that breed. As an exhibitor you then decide which class to enter your dog in, each class has its own rules if you like depending upon the age of the dog and amount of winning the dog has achieved etc, dogs which are entered in the racing/lure coursing class satisfy the criteria for that class, so there is no question of them not being good enough for the main ring, there is no main ring in the breed just a series of classes.

All unbeaten dogs then challenge for the top award within their own sex, each dog and bitch then challenge for Best of Breed and Bingo there you have the whippet

(this year Silver) going into the group for Best Hound. I don't want you to think that anyone feels inferior, we are all there trying our best to win whichever class we are in be it Puppy, Limit, or Racing/Lure Coursing.

The thread seems to have made it appear more complicated than it actually is

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Thanks for that it does seem a bit complicated sorry if I've got it wrong, I might enter mine next year then only kidding the dogs are graceful but I'm not :lol:

 

[beaker]

I'm not knocking the class I just wouldn't fight for it, I'm not saying you shouldn't but if a load of show folk decided to put there show dogs in the racing champs I'm sure the racing folk would wonder why, and probably think that the sport was being belittled by it, I just think the show dogs have earned their place at crufts, its a show its not based on ability its based on looks.

why would they think the sport was being belittled by show breds entering a champ race ,? i don't get this comment. the show breds will have to have passports and been cleared for racing like any race bred so why would they be put out, unless the showie lot then started whining that the racers were beating their dogs i would think they would be happy for the added competition :- "

 

[Mark Roberts]

if a load of show folk decided to put there show dogs in the racing champs I'm sure the racing folk would wonder why

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here are a few show breds that race at the champs, and a lot that have show breeding close up in their pedigrees.

 

[*Lesley*]

I'm not knocking the class I just wouldn't fight for it, I'm not saying you shouldn't but if a load of show folk decided to put there show dogs in the racing champs I'm sure the racing folk would wonder why, and probably think that the sport was being belittled by it, I just think the show dogs have earned their place at crufts, its a show its not based on ability its based on looks.

why would they think the sport was being belittled by show breds entering a champ race ,? i don't get this comment. the show breds will have to have passports and been cleared for racing like any race bred so why would they be put out, unless the showie lot then started whining that the racers were beating their dogs i would think they would be happy for the added competition :- "

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Do you reckon it would be competition running a show bred against a race bred, my show bred aren't much competetition for the racers at our club :- "

 

[Strike Whippets]

Just re read the schedule and I think quite a few of us are very confused  :b   ......... Yes it would seem that the racing class is for dogs that have qualified correctly ........I wonder how many other dogs have entered incorrectly 

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I've entered this class every year since 2001, occasionally with a dog that only qualified by winning a coursing stake, not by showing.

I had been told this was correct by someone with more than 30 year's experience in the breed who both coursed and awarded CCs. I *believe* that this did not apply to lure coursing this year but I may be wrong about this (it has been known!). Perhaps someone high up in the BSFA will know.

To my mind it would be a good idea if the dog's racing/lure qualification was printed in the catalogue alongside the name?

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I'm the same as you .....I have entered 1 of my racers a few years ago in this class believing and having been told the same as you ....... :thumbsup:

 

[Mark Roberts]

I was also told the same as Hannah & Angela regarding racing dogs entering by someone with many many years experiamnce in the ring and judging.

 

[*Lesley*]

Showing is showing, racing is racing different hobbies if people want to do both I say go for it but if its a class for racing'lure coursing then thats what it should be not a class for dogs which are also show dogs, the show dogs have their own classes don't they, what chance do racing types have against dogs which is judged by a show judge :unsure:

I'm in trouble now

 

[Mark Roberts]

Do you reckon it would be competition running a show bred against a race bred, my show bred aren't much competetition for the racers at our club

Thats just like the average race bred would be at a disadvantage at showing against a top show line (on the whole)

 

[Happy Humber]

My dog is a grandson of CH Chyton Talking Point who was sadly killed while lure coursing but he would have been able to show in this class and go in for the challeng.

The confusion has come about because of the ban, before that you had to have won a course with a whippet club affiliated coursing club. The kennel club have tried to take account of the lure coursing and have made a pigs ear of it!

I did find they wanted to help when I wrote but it did take a while as they have to put it before the commity.

It might be helpfull to them to explain the problems and ask if the classes could be split and the qualification clearly defined.

The Whippet club representatives might be able to help out here.

The Kennel Club want to encourage pedigree dogs I personally think it would be good to have more racers for the class some of the ones I have seen have beautiful type

 

[*Lesley*]

Do you reckon it would be competition running a show bred against a race bred, my show bred aren't much competetition for the racers at our club

Thats just like the average race bred would be at a disadvantage at showing against a top show line (on the whole)

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But thats exactley what they are doing at crufts :unsure:

 

[Mark Roberts]

Lesley are you saying show dogs should only show and race dogs should only race?