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count me in :thumbsup: big small fast slow not bothered :cheers:

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

count me in :thumbsup: big small fast slow not bothered :cheers:

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That the right answer Mate look forward to seeing Bella run in this meeting :thumbsup:

 

[Mark Roberts]

count me in  big small fast slow not bothered

LOL your in mate but which catagory does your bitch come under

i've had 2 offers of prize money so far. (thanks to those that have kindly offord the support again)

The Original and still the best single breed lure coursing club.

 

[Paula Roberts]

Brilliant news Patrick, dont forget to bring that lovely banner again will you. :cheers:

 

[posh totty]

well if the last event is anything to go by, the uptake will be swift!!! cant wait!!! certainly worth the drive!!! and jessie did get a lovely PINK rosette!!!!

great to meet friends with like minded interests and have a great days FUN :thumbsup:

 

[Mark Roberts]

leave the pink coat at home lol.

 

[Paula Roberts]

Do you think hes coming round to the idea Tanya? (w00t)

 

[posh totty]

Do you think hes coming round to the idea Tanya? (w00t)

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he wants one really but you know what these men are like :- "

 

[TC]

Just interested. Apart from the safety aspect, surely it can be a complete advantage/disadvatage to be one of a pair consisting of a 17.5" 18lb bitch up against a 23" 38lb dog?

Hi TC,

it works very well, at the last meeting we had a small bitch 17" running against a large dog 23" the small bitch lead from slips and despite the big dog trying his heart out he couldn't get back on terms with her and she won the course.

unfortunatly some seem to have this misguided notion that big/small cant run together?, but we had several courses at the last meeting that involved large and small running together (as we have over the 7 years we've organised lure coursing meetings) and i'm sure all the owners concerned will vouch that not 1 dog was injured due to size differance between the runners and the smaller whippet often won.

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Thanks Mark. I suppose I just find it interesting, expecially as people from certain circles are always talking about how they can't abide the size that some whippets are these days, and then openly invite oversized dogs to run....

I'm glad there haven't been any injuries :thumbsup:

TCx

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Right then. let me rephrase that seeing as no one's answered me (w00t)

I know it's all about the fun, but then it gets serious. At the end of the day there are lots of people there that want to win. After all, that is why all this talk came about of challenging the semi final winners from the Bob Blatch Trophy to a competition. That wasn't about having a laugh and a joke. That was a serious challenge.

I have a young dog, 19 3/4 inches. If I'm interested in running him in this competition and he is drawn against a smaller dog then he has to take his chances. The same as if he's drawn against a 20 and 3/4" dog. If I'm being really honest (and only talking for myself here so make of it what you will) and he gets drawn against a 23" dog, the bigger dog is going to have the advantage. Okay there are some that say that Ruso might be able to turn slightly quicker than the larger dog (but IMO that is more about length than height in this instance) but undoubtedly, those 3 and a 1/4 inches are going to make a hell of difference to the length of stride betwen the two. The weight difference won't be there that it would be in a tiny bitch and a large dog, so I really don't see any advantage for my dog.

If it was all about fun on a Sunday afternoon that's something completely different, but I truly don't believe this is. I am sure you had great fun. Who wouldn't, all those whippety people in one place, fab! I'd have really enjoyed myself, no doubt. But I'd have come hoping to see my dogs run to the best of their ability, and to have a fair crack at winning as many rounds as possible. After all, Winx hates to lose as much as I do :- "

When I made my original point I was also intimating that a really small dog running with a large one may have the advantage that is why I said advantage/disadvantage :thumbsup: I am sure that the 17" bitch outran the larger dog, as at 23" it's surely right on the verge of losing type and ability etc (definitely no offence intended, just stating facts as I have understood them) as power will never outweigh speed and agility in a lure coursing situation IMO.

Now you know how competitive I am, but hey, it's all in the breeding. I totally blame my mother (w00t) 8) :- "

I still maintain that a 20" dog against a 23" dog is going to be at a disadvantage. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.....

Really interested to hear your views o but I am running for my tin hat nevertheless :lol:

Cheers

TCx

 

[posh totty]

personally i made an almost 600 mile round trip to just have fun at watching my girl run , she is 13 mths old and before i even entered i knew she wouldnt have a chance, but meeting friends with like minded views and interests , the long trip was certainly more than worth it and i did enter for FUN alone :thumbsup:

anyone with working whippets takes a risk every time they run their dogs , each and every time they let them chase?be it day time work , daytime fun or on the lamp thats a sad risk we take but with our chosen breed an acceptable risk? :thumbsup:

i am happily making the same trip again just to have a laugh and watch my girl, who incidently is the best ever pink wearing lure coursing whippet ever (w00t)

Good luck to all entrants , see you there!!!

 

[Mark Roberts]

A big thank you to posh totty for your kind offer of the cash prize.

15 entrys so far today :thumbsup:

i'll not keep your place open then TC LOL :lol:

 

[jinx and rubys mum]

Jinx was entered for fun and to see how she does

She loved last Sunday and did well

She is a small dog at only 23lb and she held her own getting to the semis

The fun is watching the agility how they turn and there reactions to the lure

Of course its for fun but everyone likes to do well too

The mixed sizes didnt seem to make any difference to the fun on the day

The dogs just did their best and everyone was happy

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

Just interested. Apart from the safety aspect, surely it can be a complete advantage/disadvatage to be one of a pair consisting of a 17.5" 18lb bitch up against a 23" 38lb dog?

Hi TC,

it works very well, at the last meeting we had a small bitch 17" running against a large dog 23" the small bitch lead from slips and despite the big dog trying his heart out he couldn't get back on terms with her and she won the course.

unfortunatly some seem to have this misguided notion that big/small cant run together?, but we had several courses at the last meeting that involved large and small running together (as we have over the 7 years we've organised lure coursing meetings) and i'm sure all the owners concerned will vouch that not 1 dog was injured due to size differance between the runners and the smaller whippet often won.

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Thanks Mark. I suppose I just find it interesting, expecially as people from certain circles are always talking about how they can't abide the size that some whippets are these days, and then openly invite oversized dogs to run....

I'm glad there haven't been any injuries :thumbsup:

TCx

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Right then. let me rephrase that seeing as no one's answered me (w00t)

I know it's all about the fun, but then it gets serious. At the end of the day there are lots of people there that want to win. After all, that is why all this talk came about of challenging the semi final winners from the Bob Blatch Trophy to a competition. That wasn't about having a laugh and a joke. That was a serious challenge.

I have a young dog, 19 3/4 inches. If I'm interested in running him in this competition and he is drawn against a smaller dog then he has to take his chances. The same as if he's drawn against a 20 and 3/4" dog. If I'm being really honest (and only talking for myself here so make of it what you will) and he gets drawn against a 23" dog, the bigger dog is going to have the advantage. Okay there are some that say that Ruso might be able to turn slightly quicker than the larger dog (but IMO that is more about length than height in this instance) but undoubtedly, those 3 and a 1/4 inches are going to make a hell of difference to the length of stride betwen the two. The weight difference won't be there that it would be in a tiny bitch and a large dog, so I really don't see any advantage for my dog.

If it was all about fun on a Sunday afternoon that's something completely different, but I truly don't believe this is. I am sure you had great fun. Who wouldn't, all those whippety people in one place, fab! I'd have really enjoyed myself, no doubt. But I'd have come hoping to see my dogs run to the best of their ability, and to have a fair crack at winning as many rounds as possible. After all, Winx hates to lose as much as I do :- "

When I made my original point I was also intimating that a really small dog running with a large one may have the advantage that is why I said advantage/disadvantage :thumbsup: I am sure that the 17" bitch outran the larger dog, as at 23" it's surely right on the verge of losing type and ability etc (definitely no offence intended, just stating facts as I have understood them) as power will never outweigh speed and agility in a lure coursing situation IMO.

Now you know how competitive I am, but hey, it's all in the breeding. I totally blame my mother (w00t) 8) :- "

I still maintain that a 20" dog against a 23" dog is going to be at a disadvantage. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.....

Really interested to hear your views o but I am running for my tin hat nevertheless :lol:

Cheers

TCx

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TC all events run by The Northwest LCC are run as FUN events for all who care to enter hence no height restrictions these events are run to bring together show/racing/working/Lure coursing & pet whippets together if their owners choose to take the chance to participate winning is a bonus.

The challenge well i guess the people who took part in The Pennymeadow Cup took offence at having their winning whippets put down as second rate by someone bigging up their own event stating that the best coursing whippet in the country will come from their event & also making strange challenges to run the winner of The Pennymeadow Cup in a best of three competition for £2000 (w00t) now where is the fun in that :- " needless to say instead of all singing from the same song sheet & promoting Lure Coursing for what it realy is FUN FUN FUN some choose to do otherwise.

Regarding safety in all the years we have been running these events not once has a larger dog injured a smaller dog & we have never had a serious injury in the field unlike elsewhere there was also a Vet who is also running dog specialist in attendance at the meeting as a safety precaution.

In respect of size being an advantage if that were the case why does the biggest dog/bitch not win at all lure coursing events throughout the country & also in live coursing Pre ban.

No need for a tin hat if you ask the question be prepared for some different answers as this is only my opinion & hope it helps answer some of your questions :thumbsup:

 

[TC]

personally i made an almost 600 mile round trip to just have fun at watching my girl run , she is 13 mths old and before i even entered i knew she wouldnt have a chance, but meeting friends with like minded views and interests , the long trip was certainly more than worth it and i did enter for FUN alone  :thumbsup:  
anyone with working whippets takes a risk every time they run their dogs , each and every time they let them chase?be it day time work , daytime fun  or on the lamp  thats a sad risk we take but with our chosen breed an acceptable risk?  :thumbsup:

i am happily making the same trip again just to have a laugh and watch my girl, who incidently is the best ever pink wearing lure coursing whippet ever  (w00t)

Good luck to all entrants , see you there!!! 

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I'm sure you did Tanya, and I bet you have great fun again :cheers:

It's when it becomes a competition that I'm talking about :thumbsup:

Please don't think I won't travel miles, I do every week, week in week out to have great fun with my dogs. I've made so many friends and have a brilliant time at all of the events I go to. I am completely the same in that I go to take part.

I got into lure coursing because my dog LOVES it. In his first ever competition he won his class and was runner up in the field, AND he had snapped his toe in half on a pulley in his second run. He lives to run, and does it well. I got him fixed and he still competes and will until he drops dead, hopefully chasing something fluffy, the lure or his ball :wub:

When it's all about fun I don't give a stuff. None of my dogs are world beaters but they enjoy it and give their all. I'm not trying to win everything etc. I'm just using my dog as an example. There will no doubt be loads of other people in that position. Now if they all think I'm stark raving mad and they ALL only went for a laugh and none of them care who they're drawn against, then so be it......but they'd have to be looking me straight in the eye when they said it 8)

When people start to get serious, that's when I do. I just wanted to get my point across reference all the challenges being bandied around over finding The Best etc etc. If you're having a competition, it has to be fair. Sorry, but that's how I feel.

The Champs etc wouldn't have weight groups if it wasn't about being fair, would they........

TCx

 

[Mark Roberts]

The Champs etc wouldn't have weight groups if it wasn't about being fair, would they........

what have the champs got to do with lure coursing? they run a highly competitive race meeting not a fun relaxed lure coursing meeting.

 

[TC]

Just interested. Apart from the safety aspect, surely it can be a complete advantage/disadvatage to be one of a pair consisting of a 17.5" 18lb bitch up against a 23" 38lb dog?

Hi TC,

it works very well, at the last meeting we had a small bitch 17" running against a large dog 23" the small bitch lead from slips and despite the big dog trying his heart out he couldn't get back on terms with her and she won the course.

unfortunatly some seem to have this misguided notion that big/small cant run together?, but we had several courses at the last meeting that involved large and small running together (as we have over the 7 years we've organised lure coursing meetings) and i'm sure all the owners concerned will vouch that not 1 dog was injured due to size differance between the runners and the smaller whippet often won.

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Thanks Mark. I suppose I just find it interesting, expecially as people from certain circles are always talking about how they can't abide the size that some whippets are these days, and then openly invite oversized dogs to run....

I'm glad there haven't been any injuries :thumbsup:

TCx

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Right then. let me rephrase that seeing as no one's answered me (w00t)

I know it's all about the fun, but then it gets serious. At the end of the day there are lots of people there that want to win. After all, that is why all this talk came about of challenging the semi final winners from the Bob Blatch Trophy to a competition. That wasn't about having a laugh and a joke. That was a serious challenge.

I have a young dog, 19 3/4 inches. If I'm interested in running him in this competition and he is drawn against a smaller dog then he has to take his chances. The same as if he's drawn against a 20 and 3/4" dog. If I'm being really honest (and only talking for myself here so make of it what you will) and he gets drawn against a 23" dog, the bigger dog is going to have the advantage. Okay there are some that say that Ruso might be able to turn slightly quicker than the larger dog (but IMO that is more about length than height in this instance) but undoubtedly, those 3 and a 1/4 inches are going to make a hell of difference to the length of stride betwen the two. The weight difference won't be there that it would be in a tiny bitch and a large dog, so I really don't see any advantage for my dog.

If it was all about fun on a Sunday afternoon that's something completely different, but I truly don't believe this is. I am sure you had great fun. Who wouldn't, all those whippety people in one place, fab! I'd have really enjoyed myself, no doubt. But I'd have come hoping to see my dogs run to the best of their ability, and to have a fair crack at winning as many rounds as possible. After all, Winx hates to lose as much as I do :- "

When I made my original point I was also intimating that a really small dog running with a large one may have the advantage that is why I said advantage/disadvantage :thumbsup: I am sure that the 17" bitch outran the larger dog, as at 23" it's surely right on the verge of losing type and ability etc (definitely no offence intended, just stating facts as I have understood them) as power will never outweigh speed and agility in a lure coursing situation IMO.

Now you know how competitive I am, but hey, it's all in the breeding. I totally blame my mother (w00t) 8) :- "

I still maintain that a 20" dog against a 23" dog is going to be at a disadvantage. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.....

Really interested to hear your views o but I am running for my tin hat nevertheless :lol:

Cheers

TCx

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TC all events run by The Northwest LCC are run as FUN events for all who care to enter hence no height restrictions these events are run to bring together show/racing/working/Lure coursing & pet whippets together if their owners choose to take the chance to participate winning is a bonus.

The challenge well i guess the people who took part in The Pennymeadow Cup took offence at having their winning whippets put down as second rate by someone bigging up their own event stating that the best coursing whippet in the country will come from their event & also making strange challenges to run the winner of The Pennymeadow Cup in a best of three competition for £2000 (w00t) now where is the fun in that :- " needless to say instead of all singing from the same song sheet & promoting Lure Coursing for what it realy is FUN FUN FUN some choose to do otherwise.

Regarding safety in all the years we have been running these events not once has a larger dog injured a smaller dog & we have never had a serious injury in the field unlike elsewhere there was also a Vet who is also running dog specialist in attendance at the meeting as a safety precaution.

In respect of size being an advantage if that were the case why does the biggest dog/bitch not win at all lure coursing events throughout the country & also in live coursing Pre ban.

No need for a tin hat if you ask the question be prepared for some different answers as this is only my opinion & hope it helps answer some of your questions :thumbsup:

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Cheers Jeff, I love the answers. Nothing like a mass debate to get my juices flowing :thumbsup:

Thanks for the clarification re the 'Challenge' I have to say, my comments regarding this are further to a post I saw on the Pennymeadow Cup thread a couple of days ago, about 'How about we run against the four semi finalists from the Bob Blath meeting. Lets challnge them etc etc'

I think the challenge of best of three sounds a great idea (w00t)

Lure coursing IS fun, wherever and whenever you do it, unless you unfortunately suffer injuries, or someone else does. But like previously stated, that could happen in a lot of places, and we still run out dogs because they love it and just hope for the best.

Like I said before, I'm not talking because I want to enter and I don't want to be drawn against a bigger dog. I'm just saying....Is that fair if it is all about competition? I know you've said that it is all about fun, just there is this tiny bit of me that thinks there might me more than a handful who aren't there just for the fun 8) I could be wrong, but I don't think I am

I never said it was ALL about size. In fact I was quite clear about being smaller being an advantage, but being 17-18" as opposed to being smaller at 20" :blink:

Cheers

TCx

 

[midlanderkeith]

Well folks after the astounding success of the recent Pennymeadow Cup hosted by the Northwest lure coursing cup lure coursing meeting I am pleased to announce the the Northwest Lure Coursing Club will be hosting the PARKSTONE VASES for 32 Kennel Club registered whippets.
All Kennel Club Registered whippets welcome no height limits.

Entry form below.

The

Northwest Lure Coursing Club

Proudly Presents

The

PARKSTONE VASES

Kindly Sponsored by Mark & Paula Roberts.

A 32 Whippet Lure Coursing meeting to be held on the 23rd February 2008 at Hollingworth Lake, LittleBorough Lancs, Open to All Kennel Club registered whippets. (No Height/Weight limits)

The course will be run over approximately 700yds with 7 turns run on a take up system (not a continuous loop)

All dogs will run in pairs from slips,

Every dog will have a minimum of 2 runs.

Entry fee £5.00 per dog (no membership Fees)

First pair in slips 9.30am.

On Site Facilities ~ Toilets/Bar, Closing date for Entrys 10th February 2008 (post mark)

Owners Name ~…………………………………………………

Address ~ …………………………………………………………………………………………………………

……………………………………………………………….post code~…………………………….

Tel Number~……………………………………………

KC Name ~ …………………………………………………………… Dog/Bitch………………….

KC Registration Number………………………………………………….

KC Name ~ …………………………………………………………… Dog/Bitch………………….

KC Registration Number………………………………………………….

Owners Signature ~………………………………………………….Date~……………………..

(By signing this form above I accept that the Northwest Lure Coursing Club and its officials on the day cannot be held responsible for any injuries sustained at the above meeting.)

ALL DOG MESS MUST BE CLEARED UP BY OWNERS

Pre paid entrys to ~ Mark Roberts, 76 Carnforth Ave, Castleton, Rochdale, Lancs, OL11 2YD (cheques made payerble to

“The Lancashire P.W.R.C”

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Hey, im up fer coming again, hrs run tops from where i am, as long as she gets a run im happy with that, but after seeing some of the doggies at the pennymeadow do, jill's no threat, im new to this buisness, lure coursing, but any activity with my dogs gotta be good eh

 

[TC]

The Champs etc wouldn't have weight groups if it wasn't about being fair, would they........

what have the champs got to do with lure coursing? they run a highly competitive race meeting not a fun relaxed lure coursing meeting.

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LOL Mark, you know exactly what I meant :thumbsup:

If I'd known that this tournament was seriously all about the FUN FUN FUN then I wouldn't have started this line of question.

As someone who did not attend last time, and has only been able to read about it on the threads, it seemed like the next meeting was about finding the best from, and I quote "The Original and still the best single breed lure coursing club." to whip the butts of any dog winning at the EAWCC meeting in January.

Still about the fun...........

Re the Champs comment, I could have used the JR Whippet Rescue Open as an example. They are still segregated into weight groups and there is a height restriction because it is a COMPETITION.

Clearly, I have completely the wrong end of the stick, and you're all going and no one cares if they win the money or the honours. Sorry about that, I'll crawl back under my rock

TCx

p.s Don't count your chickens yet, The Boys of Alacrity might fancy the trip up, that's if we're not barred (w00t) 8) :- "

 

[Mark Roberts]

If I'd known that this tournament was seriously all about the FUN FUN FUN then I wouldn't have started this line of question

p.s Don't count your chickens yet, The Boys of Alacrity might fancy the trip up, that's if we're not barred

TC,

your more than welcome to enter your dogs and come for a run that way (and this is a genuine offer) you can then go home and write a true appraisal on k9 of your day lure coursing with us (good/bad) :thumbsup:

 

[TC]

If I'd known that this tournament was seriously all about the FUN FUN FUN then I wouldn't have started this line of question

p.s Don't count your chickens yet, The Boys of Alacrity might fancy the trip up, that's if we're not barred

TC,

your more than welcome to enter your dogs and come for a run that way (and this is a genuine offer) you can then go home and write a true appraisal on k9 of your day lure coursing with us (good/bad) :thumbsup:

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We'll see, appreciate the offer :thumbsup:

Do I get expenses paid for my review lol and when do the entries close :teehee:

TCx