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[AnnSa]

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He choose where to put it on purpose.

Then went on to other forums bragging how he had upset

the bunny huggers on k9.

 

[k4tie-d]

like Seraphina says just because the foxes are on or door step and considered a problem that make it ok to kill them, just like the kangaroos were causing a problem, does that mean if a farmer and africa has a problem with tigers he can just go shoot them, i think there would be major uproar if that happened :b

killing one fox does not solve his fox problem as more will come back.

i just feel there are better ways to try solve the problem.

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Hi,

I'm so sorry Katie but I'm such a nit picker! Tigers live in India!!! I'm sure you meant lions, but it made me smile in this heavy topic.

In India people do kill tigers if they come to close to their villages as they are such a threat. I watched a program on it a while ago, quite sad really.

Anyway this post is about foxes, I didn't watch the video cos I didn't want to see a chicken or fox getting hurt and yes I eat meet so yes I guess that makes me a little hypocritical but I know where it comes from just don't like to see it!

Can see both sides of the story I guess, but bullet is better than hunt if the fox is killed quickly.

I guess in an ideal world we would all live in harmony....

Now lets all hold hands and sing!!

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:- " i knew i had it wrong, but just drew a blank as to what came from where, you got what i ment though lol :- "

 

[Suzycbee]

In some parts of the country they also cull pigeons and starlings....sometimes even wild ducks when there are too many drakes. Also grey squirrels in most parts of the country.
Some people also dont agree with grouse shooting...but it is a necessary part of land control.  The gamekeepers round here take a lot of flack from animal rights people when the grouse beating starts, even to the point of them sabotaging the shoots.

If they werent controlled, the bird would die from worms..lack of food and other illnesses.  So hence the countryside needs to be managed.

In my opinion its excactly the same with the foxes, no control and we would be overun with them.

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The grouse are bred for shooting so how come they need to be controlled???

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As I said earlier.....thats the gamekeepers job....control of worms...food they eat...management of the moors.. :thumbsup: without the gamekeeper the land would be in a sorry state...

if the foxes wernt controlled they would suffer from illnesses too, parasites and suchlikes and transfer them to other animals... plus become so tame in urban areas where people feed them....they can become capable of taking small children...after all they are capable of killing small lambs....and this is not cruel I suppose...or dosnt bother the farmer either... :wacko: ..... plus the RABIES risk, but suppose we have forgotten about this too...

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Heres a good article for you to read... :thumbsup:

http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/moo...-life-on-moors/

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The whole purpose of the Countryside Allilance's raisen d'etre is to bring back hunting not only foxes but also deer. Is there anyone on this thread who would like hunting deer with a pack of dogs to be made legal again? I have seen dreadful footage of a deer being chased into the sea (in the west country), it had been running for 6 hours, it then collapsed but managed to keep its head above the water. Two huntsmen ran up to and and pushed its head under the water and drowned it. It didn't even struggle it just gave up. If a deer collapses on dry land, very often the hunters will call the dogs off, leave the deer alone, get out the picnic hampers have a little bite to eat and a little drinky poos whilst they wait for the deer to stand up again. They then continue chasing it for as many hours enjoyment as they can get out of it.

Please dont support the Countryside Alliance. They are desperate for this evil behaviour to be legalised again.

If you want hunting with hounds to be reinstated, all you have to do is vote conservative at the next general election. Simple as that.

 

[shameless52]

He choose where to put it on purpose.Then went on to other forums bragging how he had upset

the bunny huggers on k9.

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here is the description under Chit Chat

Anything that is not dog related can go here. Use it as a general chatter forum.

I also put it on a lot of forums and on 1 forum I took a swipe at myself and called myself naughty for putting it on here because I had already sussed out that people like you would be up in arms and put the fox first one last question a pair of dogs keep getting out and start killing sheep the farmer kills them is he the bad guy as well?

 

[Trish]

He choose where to put it on purpose.Then went on to other forums bragging how he had upset

the bunny huggers on k9.

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here is the description under Chit Chat

Anything that is not dog related can go here. Use it as a general chatter forum.

I also put it on a lot of forums and on 1 forum I took a swipe at myself and called myself naughty for putting it on here because I had already sussed out that people like you would be up in arms and put the fox first one last question a pair of dogs keep getting out and start killing sheep the farmer kills them is he the bad guy as well?

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so you claim you already knew what the reaction would be -_- -_- -_- ...........very childish wouldnt you say.

and you state .....you had sussed out that some people would be up in arms........ive not read anything that would suggest someone was up in arms ,they have all stated what their views are .........end of.

 

[shameless52]

end of why ? Because you say so

It wasnt put on to upset people although I knew there would be people like you on this site that decide that anyone who doesnt agree with you must be barbaric etc, AnnSa made a false claim about me I put that clip on five sites all within minutes of each other yet you decide that I have put it on here and in the wrong classification just to annoy you and yr ilk get real.

And btw where does the food come from that feeds yr dogs?There are so many arguements and angles in something like this that you will never convince me I am wrong and visa versa , but where AnnSa was wrong in was telling a lie about me, and as the chit chat description said "anything that isnt dog related" I believe it was put in the right section and as no mod has moved it to another so must they.

 

[posh totty]

end of why ? Because you say so It wasnt put on to upset people although I knew there would be people like you on this site that decide that anyone who doesnt agree with you must be barbaric etc, AnnSa  made a false claim about me I put that clip on five sites all within minutes of each other yet you decide that I have put it on here and in the wrong classification just to annoy you and yr ilk get real.

And btw where does the food come from that feeds yr dogs?There are so many arguements and angles in something like this that you will never convince me I am wrong and visa versa , but where AnnSa was wrong in was telling a lie about me, and as the chit chat description said "anything that isnt dog related" I believe it was put in the right section and as no mod has moved it to another so must they.

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whilst i am pro hunting , you have also made a false claim stating annsa said you had put it on 5 forums within mins

here is her exact quote

"He choose where to put it on purpose.

Then went on to other forums bragging how he had upset

the bunny huggers on k9. "

the subject of hunting etc will never be united, but those of us whom do work our dogs , must realise others do not share the same views, im not against educating some to the world of fieldsports , in fact its a passion of mine , but i do realise when a forum such as this isnt going to get the same reception as one which is principally for working people :thumbsup:

ann must certainly knows where her food comes from and is a great person , we have different views on working dogs but hey ho , thats our choices

we as working people have to understand too that this forum isnt as welcoming to working as others out there and choose to act accordingly and respect others views, by all means show working pics and clips etc , how else will those on here whom dont know about fieldcraft ever learn , but always put a warning on :thumbsup:

we all have a varied range of views and ideals and wouldnt the world be a boring place if we all agreed on everything :thumbsup:

 

[Janimal]

In some parts of the country they also cull pigeons and starlings....sometimes even wild ducks when there are too many drakes. Also grey squirrels in most parts of the country.
Some people also dont agree with grouse shooting...but it is a necessary part of land control.  The gamekeepers round here take a lot of flack from animal rights people when the grouse beating starts, even to the point of them sabotaging the shoots.

If they werent controlled, the bird would die from worms..lack of food and other illnesses.  So hence the countryside needs to be managed.

In my opinion its excactly the same with the foxes, no control and we would be overun with them.

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The grouse are bred for shooting so how come they need to be controlled???

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As I said earlier.....thats the gamekeepers job....control of worms...food they eat...management of the moors.. :thumbsup: without the gamekeeper the land would be in a sorry state...

if the foxes wernt controlled they would suffer from illnesses too, parasites and suchlikes and transfer them to other animals... plus become so tame in urban areas where people feed them....they can become capable of taking small children...after all they are capable of killing small lambs....and this is not cruel I suppose...or dosnt bother the farmer either... :wacko: ..... plus the RABIES risk, but suppose we have forgotten about this too...

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Heres a good article for you to read... :thumbsup:

http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/moo...-life-on-moors/

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The whole purpose of the Countryside Allilance's raisen d'etre is to bring back hunting not only foxes but also deer. Is there anyone on this thread who would like hunting deer with a pack of dogs to be made legal again? I have seen dreadful footage of a deer being chased into the sea (in the west country), it had been running for 6 hours, it then collapsed but managed to keep its head above the water. Two huntsmen ran up to and and pushed its head under the water and drowned it. It didn't even struggle it just gave up. If a deer collapses on dry land, very often the hunters will call the dogs off, leave the deer alone, get out the picnic hampers have a little bite to eat and a little drinky poos whilst they wait for the deer to stand up again. They then continue chasing it for as many hours enjoyment as they can get out of it.

Please dont support the Countryside Alliance. They are desperate for this evil behaviour to be legalised again.

If you want hunting with hounds to be reinstated, all you have to do is vote conservative at the next general election. Simple as that.

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That article was put on so you could read about the grouse control....it is a wild bird and not bred for shooting at all...

because clearly you dont understand anything about the gamekeepers job...

did you bother to read it...

and how many other birds have benefited from the heather burning etc.

and wildlife too...

 

[posh totty]

In some parts of the country they also cull pigeons and starlings....sometimes even wild ducks when there are too many drakes. Also grey squirrels in most parts of the country.
Some people also dont agree with grouse shooting...but it is a necessary part of land control.  The gamekeepers round here take a lot of flack from animal rights people when the grouse beating starts, even to the point of them sabotaging the shoots.

If they werent controlled, the bird would die from worms..lack of food and other illnesses.  So hence the countryside needs to be managed.

In my opinion its excactly the same with the foxes, no control and we would be overun with them.

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The grouse are bred for shooting so how come they need to be controlled???

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As I said earlier.....thats the gamekeepers job....control of worms...food they eat...management of the moors.. :thumbsup: without the gamekeeper the land would be in a sorry state...

if the foxes wernt controlled they would suffer from illnesses too, parasites and suchlikes and transfer them to other animals... plus become so tame in urban areas where people feed them....they can become capable of taking small children...after all they are capable of killing small lambs....and this is not cruel I suppose...or dosnt bother the farmer either... :wacko: ..... plus the RABIES risk, but suppose we have forgotten about this too...

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Heres a good article for you to read... :thumbsup:

http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/moo...-life-on-moors/

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The whole purpose of the Countryside Allilance's raisen d'etre is to bring back hunting not only foxes but also deer. Is there anyone on this thread who would like hunting deer with a pack of dogs to be made legal again? I have seen dreadful footage of a deer being chased into the sea (in the west country), it had been running for 6 hours, it then collapsed but managed to keep its head above the water. Two huntsmen ran up to and and pushed its head under the water and drowned it. It didn't even struggle it just gave up. If a deer collapses on dry land, very often the hunters will call the dogs off, leave the deer alone, get out the picnic hampers have a little bite to eat and a little drinky poos whilst they wait for the deer to stand up again. They then continue chasing it for as many hours enjoyment as they can get out of it.

Please dont support the Countryside Alliance. They are desperate for this evil behaviour to be legalised again.

If you want hunting with hounds to be reinstated, all you have to do is vote conservative at the next general election. Simple as that.

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That article was put on so you could read about the grouse control....it is a wild bird and not bred for shooting at all...

because clearly you dont understand anything about the gamekeepers job...

did you bother to read it...

and how many other birds have benefited from the heather burning etc.

and wildlife too...

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thank you janis , the evidence is there for all to see , doesnt mean everyone should change their opinions but more able to take a balanced view, there is so much "anti" propaganda out there the general public is given the extreme cases to highlight what "they " say is the truth, most of us know that just isnt true , they never show huntsman raising orphan cubs to redress the balance, or orphan deer being raised , they show very extreme cases which most of us invoved in countryside activities also throw our arms up at :thumbsup:

 

[Suzycbee]

In some parts of the country they also cull pigeons and starlings....sometimes even wild ducks when there are too many drakes. Also grey squirrels in most parts of the country.
Some people also dont agree with grouse shooting...but it is a necessary part of land control.  The gamekeepers round here take a lot of flack from animal rights people when the grouse beating starts, even to the point of them sabotaging the shoots.

If they werent controlled, the bird would die from worms..lack of food and other illnesses.  So hence the countryside needs to be managed.

In my opinion its excactly the same with the foxes, no control and we would be overun with them.

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The grouse are bred for shooting so how come they need to be controlled???

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As I said earlier.....thats the gamekeepers job....control of worms...food they eat...management of the moors.. :thumbsup: without the gamekeeper the land would be in a sorry state...

if the foxes wernt controlled they would suffer from illnesses too, parasites and suchlikes and transfer them to other animals... plus become so tame in urban areas where people feed them....they can become capable of taking small children...after all they are capable of killing small lambs....and this is not cruel I suppose...or dosnt bother the farmer either... :wacko: ..... plus the RABIES risk, but suppose we have forgotten about this too...

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Heres a good article for you to read... :thumbsup:

http://www.countryside-alliance.org.uk/moo...-life-on-moors/

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The whole purpose of the Countryside Allilance's raisen d'etre is to bring back hunting not only foxes but also deer. Is there anyone on this thread who would like hunting deer with a pack of dogs to be made legal again? I have seen dreadful footage of a deer being chased into the sea (in the west country), it had been running for 6 hours, it then collapsed but managed to keep its head above the water. Two huntsmen ran up to and and pushed its head under the water and drowned it. It didn't even struggle it just gave up. If a deer collapses on dry land, very often the hunters will call the dogs off, leave the deer alone, get out the picnic hampers have a little bite to eat and a little drinky poos whilst they wait for the deer to stand up again. They then continue chasing it for as many hours enjoyment as they can get out of it.

Please dont support the Countryside Alliance. They are desperate for this evil behaviour to be legalised again.

If you want hunting with hounds to be reinstated, all you have to do is vote conservative at the next general election. Simple as that.

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That article was put on so you could read about the grouse control....it is a wild bird and not bred for shooting at all...

because clearly you dont understand anything about the gamekeepers job...

did you bother to read it...

and how many other birds have benefited from the heather burning etc.

and wildlife too...

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My post was actually about deer hunting.

 

[Janimal]

Yes I know it was

but originally you said...the grouse was bred for shooting so how come they need to be controlled.....

and you didnt even bother to look at my reply to that...

 

[shameless52]

no you have read it wrong she said more or less that I only put it on here just to upset the members here and that I bragged about bunny huggers etc, I disputed that claim saying I put it on 5 sites and was trying to state that I didnt just single this site out also ask Ann to show you where I have ever stated "Bunny Huggers" or bragged about it , she cant because I didnt

 

[Janimal]

Trouble is with some people they have double standards in my opinion

I know for a fact some people are involved on here with horse racing too....what about the horses that have to be put down as a direct result of racing....isnt that just as cruel.... :unsure:

I am an animal lover too....but that dosnt mean I am a cruel person just because I agree with controlling the fox population.

I also wonder if anyone has thought about the RABIES aspect that I mentioned earlier....

 

[shameless52]

Trouble is with some people they have double standards in my opinion

I am an animal lover too....but that dosnt mean I am a cruel person just because I agree with controlling the fox population.

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well said :huggles:

 

[Trish]

end of why ? Because you say so It wasnt put on to upset people although I knew there would be people like you on this site that decide that anyone who doesnt agree with you must be barbaric etc, AnnSa  made a false claim about me I put that clip on five sites all within minutes of each other yet you decide that I have put it on here and in the wrong classification just to annoy you and yr ilk get real.

And btw where does the food come from that feeds yr dogs?There are so many arguements and angles in something like this that you will never convince me I am wrong and visa versa , but where AnnSa was wrong in was telling a lie about me, and as the chit chat description said "anything that isnt dog related" I believe it was put in the right section and as no mod has moved it to another so must they.

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with me saying end of means exactly that end of ive said my bit.

 

[Suzycbee]

Yes I know it wasbut originally you said...the grouse was bred for shooting so how come they need to be controlled.....

and you didnt even bother to look at my reply to that...

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Have seen it, very nice. Still dont like the CA. I've see if I can ferret out a clip of cub hunting. Unfortunately dont have any of a huntsman raising cubs "to redress the balance"??

Kind regards to all, we have different opinions quite clearly and they won't change!

 

[AnnSa]

Shameless i owe you an apology you didn't make the bunny

huggy remark, the remark was made after you posted, i have

copied it for you................

 

''I am so naughty I put the link up on K9 in chit chat''

 

''nice one mate,must have a look on k9 later i bet the fluffy bunny brigade are up in arms''

 

So as i said i apologise for that, but no where did i infer you

posted it on 5 forums in 5 minutes, so i don't know why you

said that.

 

What winds me up is the fact you make so many assumptions

about me........read my post's have i actually gave my views

on hunting ..........i think not. I made the first post saying was

chit chat the right place for your topic, that's all i said.

You assume my dogs are feed meat........do you know i don't

feed complete. You assume i have never been out lamping.....

One of my bitches is from working stock......do you know i don't

work her.

 

I was brought up in a family that bred livestock which would go

of to be slaughtered for food. I have bottle fed piglets from birth

until they could feed themselves and gone up to the livestock

market and watched them get sold for killing. I'm not a complete

idiot when it comes to knowing where the meat on my plate

comes from. And i know its not hunting im just using it for a

point that im not naive about animal=food.

 

So don't make out im sitting here in my pink fluffy jumper

and matching bunny slippers crying because you posted the

link about the fox. I made what i thought was a valid point

and im entitled to do that.

 

 

Oh and Ste Freemo.........Up Ya Bum............

 

[Suzycbee]

Shameless i  owe you an apology you didn't make the bunnyhuggy remark, the remark was made after you posted, i have

copied it for you................

 

''I am so naughty I put the link up on K9 in chit chat'' 

 

''nice one mate,must have a look on k9 later i bet the fluffy bunny brigade are up in arms''

 

So as i said i apologise for that, but no where did i infer you

posted it on 5 forums in 5 minutes, so i don't know why you

said that.

 

What winds me up is the fact you make so many assumptions

about me........read my post's have i actually gave my views

on hunting ..........i think not. I made the first post saying was

chit chat the right place for your topic, that's all i said.

You assume my dogs are feed meat........do you know i don't

feed complete. You assume i have never been out lamping.....

One of my bitches is from working stock......do you know i don't

work her.

 

I was brought up in a family that bred livestock which would go

of to be slaughtered for food. I have bottle fed piglets from birth

until they could feed themselves and gone up to the livestock

market and watched them get sold for killing. I'm not a complete

idiot when it comes to knowing where the meat on my plate

comes from. And i know its not hunting im just using it for a

point that im not naive about animal=food.

 

So don't make out im sitting here in my pink fluffy jumper

and matching bunny slippers crying because you posted the

link about the fox. I made what i thought was a valid point

and im entitled to do that.

 

 

Oh and Ste Freemo.........Up Ya Bum............

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I like your style!!

 

[posh totty]

Shameless i  owe you an apology you didn't make the bunnyhuggy remark, the remark was made after you posted, i have

copied it for you................

 

''I am so naughty I put the link up on K9 in chit chat'' 

 

''nice one mate,must have a look on k9 later i bet the fluffy bunny brigade are up in arms''

 

So as i said i apologise for that, but no where did i infer you

posted it on 5 forums in 5 minutes, so i don't know why you

said that.

 

What winds me up is the fact you make so many assumptions

about me........read my post's have i actually gave my views

on hunting ..........i think not. I made the first post saying was

chit chat the right place for your topic, that's all i said.

You assume my dogs are feed meat........do you know i don't

feed complete. You assume i have never been out lamping.....

One of my bitches is from working stock......do you know i don't

work her.

 

I was brought up in a family that bred livestock which would go

of to be slaughtered for food. I have bottle fed piglets from birth

until they could feed themselves and gone up to the livestock

market and watched them get sold for killing. I'm not a complete

idiot when it comes to knowing where the meat on my plate

comes from. And i know its not hunting im just using it for a

point that im not naive about animal=food.

 

So don't make out im sitting here in my pink fluffy jumper

and matching bunny slippers crying because you posted the

link about the fox. I made what i thought was a valid point

and im entitled to do that.

 

 

Oh and Ste Freemo.........Up Ya Bum............

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(w00t) pmsl just spat my coffee over the screen (w00t)

btw ste is ok really :thumbsup:

 

[k4tie-d]

Shameless i  owe you an apology you didn't make the bunnyhuggy remark, the remark was made after you posted, i have

copied it for you................

 

''I am so naughty I put the link up on K9 in chit chat'' 

 

''nice one mate,must have a look on k9 later i bet the fluffy bunny brigade are up in arms''

 

So as i said i apologise for that, but no where did i infer you

posted it on 5 forums in 5 minutes, so i don't know why you

said that.

 

What winds me up is the fact you make so many assumptions

about me........read my post's have i actually gave my views

on hunting ..........i think not. I made the first post saying was

chit chat the right place for your topic, that's all i said.

You assume my dogs are feed meat........do you know i don't

feed complete. You assume i have never been out lamping.....

One of my bitches is from working stock......do you know i don't

work her.

 

I was brought up in a family that bred livestock which would go

of to be slaughtered for food. I have bottle fed piglets from birth

until they could feed themselves and gone up to the livestock

market and watched them get sold for killing. I'm not a complete

idiot when it comes to knowing where the meat on my plate

comes from. And i know its not hunting im just using it for a

point that im not naive about animal=food.

 

So don't make out im sitting here in my pink fluffy jumper

and matching bunny slippers crying because you posted the

link about the fox. I made what i thought was a valid point

and im entitled to do that.

 

 

Oh and Ste Freemo.........Up Ya Bum............

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(w00t) well said ann, i was going to point out that the original argument was over the post being in chit chat with out a warning, but couldnt work out the right words lol, you have done that so well :thumbsup: