Crossing With Greys ,,the New Ruling

[daznsar]

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Any1 who thinks its whippet racing is wrong and must be on the wrong forum. :blink: because i always thought it was ( NON PED RACING) to me if u cross any whippet with a greyhound dont expect all small dogs. Its unfair to turn any non ped away thats my opinion :thumbsup: The ruling is rubbish think any1 who does non ped whippet racing should get a letter and vote that way to make sure the right out come happens :thumbsup:

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

Any1 who thinks its whippet racing is wrong and must be on the wrong forum. :blink: because i always thought it was ( NON PED RACING) to me if u cross any whippet with a greyhound dont expect all small dogs. Its unfair to turn any non ped away thats my opinion :thumbsup: The ruling is rubbish think any1 who does non ped whippet racing should get a letter and vote that way to make sure the right out come happens :thumbsup:

u know what ,,,,that has too be the best reply,,,,,on non ped racing,,,,,,,weather there 16lb or no limit,,,,,,,everyone should enjoy there racing in there class,,,,,,,and not change anything,,,, :thumbsup:

big dogs suit some folk,,,,,small dogs suit other,s,,,,,,but at end off day its all good and we all have a good time,,and day out :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

Non-ped whippets are dogs bred for speed. Their appearance reflects this.

Lurchers and long dogs should be seen as bred for working purpose. Yes I know lurchers race but they should be following their original ''breed standard'' as we should be following ours.

As the more inbred the whippet becomes and breeders working with a bias to the weight handicap, the smaller the dog gets. As the gene pool itself is very small, repeated inbreeding would make the dog vulnerable to breed defects very quickly. The purpose of lining to a greyhound should be to introduce new genes to a line that is very inbred.

As such suitable sires to greyhound dams are those dogs that are relatively inbred within the whippet gene pool. Which is why lightweight dogs are supposed to be used. The result of such linings produce dogs that are either no more than 50% GHD or just a little over (dependant upon how much GHD is in the sire - in such a choices it should be slim to none)

The reason the breed clause was introduced was because people blatently ignored the above.

Those who were unfortunate to produce a dog superceeding the handicap weight were given the opportunity to race in scratch racing. This prevented owners of rapidly growing pups from stressing and also retained the new blood that had been brought into the gene pool.

The reason 3/4 GHD crosses and 1/2 crosses haven't been ruled out was because technically they could produce offspring that are more than 50% whippet. It can be a long shot, but it cannot be ruled out.

Because the above can also be abused, lining 3/4 GHD scratch dogs to other 3/4 GHD scratch dogs or other combinations where the breeeder knows dam well they're not breeding dogs for the handicap, a safety net was introduced of introducing a weight cap of 55lb.

To me both organisations in years past were fair and accomodating to all dogs. The problem came about because folk deliberately took advantage of this.

People were politely asked to be careful of the amount of GHD blood they introduced into their breeding, it was ignored. So the majority voted in a rule so it couldn't be ingored.

The breeding clause isn't infalliable, it can be abused or ignored. People can lie about their breeding which is why there is a weight limit and also why DNA testing has been put in as a proviso on your registration papers.

Nobody likes to be dictated to but what on earth did you expect? :wacko:

Is anyone ranting on here going to put forward some ideas that would work and address the problem of breeding GHD's and racing them in whippet racing or is it just easier to whinge?

 

[wild whippies]

Its unfair to turn any non ped away thats my opinion :thumbsup:

I totally agree but until you can tell us how a whippet differs from a greyhound then some dogs are going to get caught in the cross fire.

I went through a phase of saying greyhounds should be allowed to run, a lot on here took the huff but I thought it was better than shutting the door on some dogs.

In the past scratch racing was thrown out and the weight limit for a racing whippet was (I think?) 32lb?

I'm begining to understand why it happened.

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

Non-ped whippets are dogs bred for speed. Their appearance reflects this. Lurchers and long dogs should be seen as bred for working purpose. Yes I know lurchers race but they should be following their original ''breed standard'' as we should be following ours.

As the more inbred the whippet becomes and breeders working with a bias to the weight handicap, the smaller the dog gets. As the gene pool itself is very small, repeated inbreeding would make the dog vulnerable to breed defects very quickly. The purpose of lining to a greyhound should be to introduce new genes to a line that is very inbred.

As such suitable sires to greyhound dams are those dogs that are relatively inbred within the whippet gene pool. Which is why lightweight dogs are supposed to be used. The result of such linings produce dogs that are either no more than 50% GHD or just a little over (dependant upon how much GHD is in the sire - in such a choices it should be slim to none)

The reason the breed clause was introduced was because people blatently ignored the above.

Those who were unfortunate to produce a dog superceeding the handicap weight were given the opportunity to race in scratch racing. This prevented owners of rapidly growing pups from stressing and also retained the new blood that had been brought into the gene pool.

The reason 3/4 GHD crosses and 1/2 crosses haven't been ruled out was because technically they could produce offspring that are more than 50% whippet. It can be a long shot, but it cannot be ruled out.

Because the above can also be abused, lining 3/4 GHD scratch dogs to other 3/4 GHD scratch dogs or other combinations where the breeeder knows dam well they're not breeding dogs for the handicap, a safety net was introduced of introducing a weight cap of 55lb.

To me both organisations in years past were fair and accomodating to all dogs. The problem came about because folk deliberately took advantage of this.

People were politely asked to be careful of the amount of GHD blood they introduced into their breeding, it was ignored. So the majority voted in a rule so it couldn't be ingored.

The breeding clause isn't infalliable, it can be abused or ignored. People can lie about their breeding which is why there is a weight limit and also why DNA testing has been put in as a proviso on your registration papers.

Nobody likes to be dictated to but what on earth did you expect? :wacko:

Is anyone ranting on here going to put forward some ideas that would work and address the problem of breeding GHD's and racing them in whippet racing or is it just easier to whinge?

lets not forget jac,,,,,,,,,,,1/4 greys have been ruled out also to this new rule,,, :thumbsup: ,,,,,,,a rule that wasnt applied proberlay,,,,,yet given the go ahead ,,,,,should be void,,,,,,but not for us,,,,,,,( THERE WAS WHITCH HUNT INVOLED HERE )

LONGDOGS ARENT JUST FOR HUNTING,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF SO U CAN SAY THAT ( ALMOST BOBS IS .1/2 CROSS,,,,,SUGAR RUSH IS 1/2 CROSS,,,,,GWN IS 1/4 CROSS USED JUST FOR HUNTING),,,,THERE ALL LONG DOGS ,,,,,PLAIN AND SIMPLE,,,,,,THE LIST GOES ON,,,,,,,,,THERE NON PED,S,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,MY NEIBOUR,S DOG IS 3/8 GREY X 5/8 WHIP,,,,,,SHE,S A LONG DOG,,,,,,,USED FOR HUNTING,,,BUT HER LITTER WAS BREED FOR RACING :wacko:

LETS NOT TRY AND MAKE BWRA WHIPPET MORE THAN THEY ARE,,,,,,SO WE CAN CHARGE MORE,,,,,OR REGETER THEM AS A BREED ,,,,,THERE LONG DOGS,,,,,,INBETWEEN WHIPPETS AND LURCHER BREED END OFF,,,,,,,,,,,THERE SIZE CANT BE DICTATED ,,,,,,ON 16LB TO 22LB IN WEIGHT OR SIZE

END OFF DAY WE ARE STOPPING THEM TO BREED TO GREYS,,,,,,,YET ANY OTHER CROSS IS OK ( COLLIE/ BED / TERRIER ---,,,AS LONG AS THEY LOOK WHIPPET APPERANCE,,,,( NOW THATS IRISH,),,NO ADDIFFRENCE TO THE IRISH :b :b :b :thumbsup:

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

Non-ped whippets are dogs bred for speed. Their appearance reflects this. Lurchers and long dogs should be seen as bred for working purpose. Yes I know lurchers race but they should be following their original ''breed standard'' as we should be following ours.

As the more inbred the whippet becomes and breeders working with a bias to the weight handicap, the smaller the dog gets. As the gene pool itself is very small, repeated inbreeding would make the dog vulnerable to breed defects very quickly. The purpose of lining to a greyhound should be to introduce new genes to a line that is very inbred.

As such suitable sires to greyhound dams are those dogs that are relatively inbred within the whippet gene pool. Which is why lightweight dogs are supposed to be used. The result of such linings produce dogs that are either no more than 50% GHD or just a little over (dependant upon how much GHD is in the sire - in such a choices it should be slim to none)

The reason the breed clause was introduced was because people blatently ignored the above.

Those who were unfortunate to produce a dog superceeding the handicap weight were given the opportunity to race in scratch racing. This prevented owners of rapidly growing pups from stressing and also retained the new blood that had been brought into the gene pool.

The reason 3/4 GHD crosses and 1/2 crosses haven't been ruled out was because technically they could produce offspring that are more than 50% whippet. It can be a long shot, but it cannot be ruled out.

Because the above can also be abused, lining 3/4 GHD scratch dogs to other 3/4 GHD scratch dogs or other combinations where the breeeder knows dam well they're not breeding dogs for the handicap, a safety net was introduced of introducing a weight cap of 55lb.

To me both organisations in years past were fair and accomodating to all dogs. The problem came about because folk deliberately took advantage of this.

People were politely asked to be careful of the amount of GHD blood they introduced into their breeding, it was ignored. So the majority voted in a rule so it couldn't be ingored.

The breeding clause isn't infalliable, it can be abused or ignored. People can lie about their breeding which is why there is a weight limit and also why DNA testing has been put in as a proviso on your registration papers.

Nobody likes to be dictated to but what on earth did you expect? :wacko:

Is anyone ranting on here going to put forward some ideas that would work and address the problem of breeding GHD's and racing them in whippet racing or is it just easier to whinge?

lol jacs gary must have sent the vodka by first class post (w00t) only joking jacs you aswell as any one else have a opinion mine opinion is get rid of the breeding programe but leave the weight cap in and if people are preapared to take the chance there litters may go over the cap they know they cant race them

i have no problem with what ever the membership vote in but what i cant understand is how it is going to be policed thats why i think the weight cap was enough to keep the breeding down

 

[dennned]

Non-ped whippets are dogs bred for speed. Their appearance reflects this. Lurchers and long dogs should be seen as bred for working purpose. Yes I know lurchers race but they should be following their original ''breed standard'' as we should be following ours.

As the more inbred the whippet becomes and breeders working with a bias to the weight handicap, the smaller the dog gets. As the gene pool itself is very small, repeated inbreeding would make the dog vulnerable to breed defects very quickly. The purpose of lining to a greyhound should be to introduce new genes to a line that is very inbred.

As such suitable sires to greyhound dams are those dogs that are relatively inbred within the whippet gene pool. Which is why lightweight dogs are supposed to be used. The result of such linings produce dogs that are either no more than 50% GHD or just a little over (dependant upon how much GHD is in the sire - in such a choices it should be slim to none)

The reason the breed clause was introduced was because people blatently ignored the above.

Those who were unfortunate to produce a dog superceeding the handicap weight were given the opportunity to race in scratch racing. This prevented owners of rapidly growing pups from stressing and also retained the new blood that had been brought into the gene pool.

The reason 3/4 GHD crosses and 1/2 crosses haven't been ruled out was because technically they could produce offspring that are more than 50% whippet. It can be a long shot, but it cannot be ruled out.

got to agree there, it really is a fickle story , were reading , either you adher to the rule or you dont---- makes no difference to me mind, i not got racer , just seemed a little strange when i started reading the firt comments-----stuart

Because the above can also be abused, lining 3/4 GHD scratch dogs to other 3/4 GHD scratch dogs or other combinations where the breeeder knows dam well they're not breeding dogs for the handicap, a safety net was introduced of introducing a weight cap of 55lb.

To me both organisations in years past were fair and accomodating to all dogs. The problem came about because folk deliberately took advantage of this.

People were politely asked to be careful of the amount of GHD blood they introduced into their breeding, it was ignored. So the majority voted in a rule so it couldn't be ingored.

The breeding clause isn't infalliable, it can be abused or ignored. People can lie about their breeding which is why there is a weight limit and also why DNA testing has been put in as a proviso on your registration papers.

Nobody likes to be dictated to but what on earth did you expect? :wacko:

Is anyone ranting on here going to put forward some ideas that would work and address the problem of breeding GHD's and racing them in whippet racing or is it just easier to whinge?

lets not forget jac,,,,,,,,,,,1/4 greys have been ruled out also to this new rule,,, :thumbsup: ,,,,,,,a rule that wasnt applied proberlay,,,,,yet given the go ahead ,,,,,should be void,,,,,,but not for us,,,,,,,( THERE WAS WHITCH HUNT INVOLED HERE )

LONGDOGS ARENT JUST FOR HUNTING,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF SO U CAN SAY THAT ( ALMOST BOBS IS .1/2 CROSS,,,,,SUGAR RUSH IS 1/2 CROSS,,,,,GWN IS 1/4 CROSS USED JUST FOR HUNTING),,,,THERE ALL LONG DOGS ,,,,,PLAIN AND SIMPLE,,,,,,THE LIST GOES ON,,,,,,,,,THERE NON PED,S,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,MY NEIBOUR,S DOG IS 3/8 GREY X 5/8 WHIP,,,,,,SHE,S A LONG DOG,,,,,,,USED FOR HUNTING,,,BUT HER LITTER WAS BREED FOR RACING :wacko:

LETS NOT TRY AND MAKE BWRA WHIPPET MORE THAN THEY ARE,,,,,,SO WE CAN CHARGE MORE,,,,,OR REGETER THEM AS A BREED ,,,,,THERE LONG DOGS,,,,,,INBETWEEN WHIPPETS AND LURCHER BREED END OFF,,,,,,,,,,,THERE SIZE CANT BE DICTATED ,,,,,,ON 16LB TO 22LB IN WEIGHT OR SIZE

END OFF DAY WE ARE STOPPING THEM TO BREED TO GREYS,,,,,,,YET ANY OTHER CROSS IS OK ( COLLIE/ BED / TERRIER ---,,,AS LONG AS THEY LOOK WHIPPET APPERANCE,,,,( NOW THATS IRISH,),,NO ADDIFFRENCE TO THE IRISH :b :b :b :thumbsup:

 

[dennned]

Non-ped whippets are dogs bred for speed. Their appearance reflects this. Lurchers and long dogs should be seen as bred for working purpose. Yes I know lurchers race but they should be following their original ''breed standard'' as we should be following ours.

As the more inbred the whippet becomes and breeders working with a bias to the weight handicap, the smaller the dog gets. As the gene pool itself is very small, repeated inbreeding would make the dog vulnerable to breed defects very quickly. The purpose of lining to a greyhound should be to introduce new genes to a line that is very inbred.

As such suitable sires to greyhound dams are those dogs that are relatively inbred within the whippet gene pool. Which is why lightweight dogs are supposed to be used. The result of such linings produce dogs that are either no more than 50% GHD or just a little over (dependant upon how much GHD is in the sire - in such a choices it should be slim to none)

The reason the breed clause was introduced was because people blatently ignored the above.

Those who were unfortunate to produce a dog superceeding the handicap weight were given the opportunity to race in scratch racing. This prevented owners of rapidly growing pups from stressing and also retained the new blood that had been brought into the gene pool.

The reason 3/4 GHD crosses and 1/2 crosses haven't been ruled out was because technically they could produce offspring that are more than 50% whippet. It can be a long shot, but it cannot be ruled out.

got to agree there, it really is a fickle story , were reading , either you adher to the rule or you dont---- makes no difference to me mind, i not got racer , just seemed a little strange when i started reading the firt comments-----stuart

Because the above can also be abused, lining 3/4 GHD scratch dogs to other 3/4 GHD scratch dogs or other combinations where the breeeder knows dam well they're not breeding dogs for the handicap, a safety net was introduced of introducing a weight cap of 55lb.

To me both organisations in years past were fair and accomodating to all dogs. The problem came about because folk deliberately took advantage of this.

People were politely asked to be careful of the amount of GHD blood they introduced into their breeding, it was ignored. So the majority voted in a rule so it couldn't be ingored.

The breeding clause isn't infalliable, it can be abused or ignored. People can lie about their breeding which is why there is a weight limit and also why DNA testing has been put in as a proviso on your registration papers.

Nobody likes to be dictated to but what on earth did you expect? :wacko:

Is anyone ranting on here going to put forward some ideas that would work and address the problem of breeding GHD's and racing them in whippet racing or is it just easier to whinge?

lets not forget jac,,,,,,,,,,,1/4 greys have been ruled out also to this new rule,,, :thumbsup: ,,,,,,,a rule that wasnt applied proberlay,,,,,yet given the go ahead ,,,,,should be void,,,,,,but not for us,,,,,,,( THERE WAS WHITCH HUNT INVOLED HERE )

LONGDOGS ARENT JUST FOR HUNTING,,,,,,,,,,,,,IF SO U CAN SAY THAT ( ALMOST BOBS IS .1/2 CROSS,,,,,SUGAR RUSH IS 1/2 CROSS,,,,,GWN IS 1/4 CROSS USED JUST FOR HUNTING),,,,THERE ALL LONG DOGS ,,,,,PLAIN AND SIMPLE,,,,,,THE LIST GOES ON,,,,,,,,,THERE NON PED,S,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,MY NEIBOUR,S DOG IS 3/8 GREY X 5/8 WHIP,,,,,,SHE,S A LONG DOG,,,,,,,USED FOR HUNTING,,,BUT HER LITTER WAS BREED FOR RACING :wacko:

LETS NOT TRY AND MAKE BWRA WHIPPET MORE THAN THEY ARE,,,,,,SO WE CAN CHARGE MORE,,,,,OR REGETER THEM AS A BREED ,,,,,THERE LONG DOGS,,,,,,INBETWEEN WHIPPETS AND LURCHER BREED END OFF,,,,,,,,,,,THERE SIZE CANT BE DICTATED ,,,,,,ON 16LB TO 22LB IN WEIGHT OR SIZE

END OFF DAY WE ARE STOPPING THEM TO BREED TO GREYS,,,,,,,YET ANY OTHER CROSS IS OK ( COLLIE/ BED / TERRIER ---,,,AS LONG AS THEY LOOK WHIPPET APPERANCE,,,,( NOW THATS IRISH,),,NO ADDIFFRENCE TO THE IRISH :b :b :b :thumbsup:

 

[daznsar]

Its unfair to turn any non ped away thats my opinion :thumbsup:

I totally agree but until you can tell us how a whippet differs from a greyhound then some dogs are going to get caught in the cross fire.

I went through a phase of saying greyhounds should be allowed to run, a lot on here took the huff but I thought it was better than shutting the door on some dogs.

In the past scratch racing was thrown out and the weight limit for a racing whippet was (I think?) 32lb?

I'm begining to understand why it happened.

Not meaning this to sound the wrong way :unsure: but as i said b4 we are not racing pedigree whippets or pedigree greyhounds

 

[ROBDOG]

Its unfair to turn any non ped away thats my opinion :thumbsup:

I totally agree but until you can tell us how a whippet differs from a greyhound then some dogs are going to get caught in the cross fire.

I went through a phase of saying greyhounds should be allowed to run, a lot on here took the huff but I thought it was better than shutting the door on some dogs.

In the past scratch racing was thrown out and the weight limit for a racing whippet was (I think?) 32lb?

I'm begining to understand why it happened.

Not meaning this to sound the wrong way :unsure: but as i said b4 we are not racing pedigree whippets or pedigree greyhounds

according to you , you don't race whippets anyway so until you are a paid up member of both organisations your comments mean nowt , all you are doing is opening old wounds & keeping a very boring subject going it's been voted on let's move on end OF !

 

[wild whippies]

Graham, it's not my opinion, it is my own perception of the logic behind the breeding clause and the weight cap.

My opinion about the breeding rule is that it has flaws and it clearly isn't easily understood by everyone as perceptions seem to differ. Not that my opinion or perceptions of a rule carry any weight whatsoever! :teehee:

Whippetteer, Sugar Rush was bred for racing, as was GWN and Almost Bob's, their pedigrees clearly reflect this. A show bred KC whippet can catch a rabbit but it doesn't mean it was bred for that purpose, meerly that it participates in a different activity than what it was intended for. If breeders were breeding for working dogs they'd be using Sooty Sam lines or some other ''rated'' working dog.

A 1/4 GHD lined to a GHD could produce a dog with 75% GHD DNA, I presume this was too much to constitute such a dog being classed as a whippet too. Again this is just my perception of the rule, what I think would really happen depends on the appearance of the 1/4 GHD used.

I'm not being abrasive Rob, we have a number of scratch dogs with varying degrees of GHD in their lineage and a GHD bitch here. We'll breed what we think is best regardless and accept the consequences because we have our own gene pool at home that takes priority over everything else. In the worst case scenario we'd have one generation that couldn't race with one organisation but the next generation could :thumbsup:

Daznsar, until people start dictating, ear carriage, tail carriage, height, colour, shape, neck, leg and every other little detail of the breed then the whippet is safe. It can easily accomodate a weight limit and the breeding clause without any ill effect whatsoever. In fact the bigger, more likely detriment to the breed is everyone repeatedly using the same stud dog over a lengthy period of time, thankfully fashions change and some people take risks. :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

Its unfair to turn any non ped away thats my opinion :thumbsup:

I totally agree but until you can tell us how a whippet differs from a greyhound then some dogs are going to get caught in the cross fire.

I went through a phase of saying greyhounds should be allowed to run, a lot on here took the huff but I thought it was better than shutting the door on some dogs.

In the past scratch racing was thrown out and the weight limit for a racing whippet was (I think?) 32lb?

I'm begining to understand why it happened.

Not meaning this to sound the wrong way :unsure: but as i said b4 we are not racing pedigree whippets or pedigree greyhounds

according to you , you don't race whippets anyway so until you are a paid up member of both organisations your comments mean nowt , all you are doing is opening old wounds & keeping a very boring subject going it's been voted on let's move on end OF !

It's only cos I've ran out of vodka!!! (w00t)

 

[chartpolski]

I was at a "Non-Ped" Whippet Open yesterday, and I only realy went to watch the Scratch Racing; 36lb, 40lb and No limit. I enjoyed it and saw some fine animals run, but lets be honest..... 24/25", 50/55lb dogs are NOT Whippets, they are Greyhounds, and not particularly small ones either ! There has been smaller Greyhounds win the Waterloo Cup !! LOL !! What was wrong with the old 32lb or 21" limits ? At least these dogs could be realisticaly described as Whippets. There was allways the Scratch races and time handicaps for the bigger dogs. Many years ago when crossing Whippets with Greyhounds took off big time, there was still a 32lb limit, and the litter wastage, the dogs that went to big, were sent "up north" and had good careers up here.

Cheers.

 

[gary farmer]

I was at a "Non-Ped" Whippet Open yesterday, and I only realy went to watch the Scratch Racing; 36lb, 40lb and No limit. I enjoyed it and saw some fine animals run, but lets be honest..... 24/25", 50/55lb dogs are NOT Whippets, they are Greyhounds, and not particularly small ones either ! There has been smaller Greyhounds win the Waterloo Cup !! LOL !! What was wrong with the old 32lb or 21" limits ? At least these dogs could be realisticaly described as Whippets. There was allways the Scratch races and time handicaps for the bigger dogs. Many years ago when crossing Whippets with Greyhounds took off big time, there was still a 32lb limit, and the litter wastage, the dogs that went to big, were sent "up north" and had good careers up here.
Cheers.

There is still a 32lb limit

The dogs over that weight are called sratch dogs and run against each other not against the whippets

but it still brings in money towards the running of the event

so whats the problem with that . And you said yourself you only went to see the big dogs run

gary :thumbsup:

 

[chartpolski]

I was at a "Non-Ped" Whippet Open yesterday, and I only realy went to watch the Scratch Racing; 36lb, 40lb and No limit. I enjoyed it and saw some fine animals run, but lets be honest..... 24/25", 50/55lb dogs are NOT Whippets, they are Greyhounds, and not particularly small ones either ! There has been smaller Greyhounds win the Waterloo Cup !! LOL !! What was wrong with the old 32lb or 21" limits ? At least these dogs could be realisticaly described as Whippets. There was allways the Scratch races and time handicaps for the bigger dogs. Many years ago when crossing Whippets with Greyhounds took off big time, there was still a 32lb limit, and the litter wastage, the dogs that went to big, were sent "up north" and had good careers up here.
Cheers.

There is still a 32lb limit

The dogs over that weight are called sratch dogs and run against each other not against the whippets

but it still brings in money towards the running of the event

so whats the problem with that . And you said yourself you only went to see the big dogs run

gary :thumbsup:

No problem with it whatsoever ! And If I get back into it, (I had my 1st Whippet in the 60's), I would want a scratch dog... My point is, you can't realy call a 55lb dog a "Whippet" !

Cheers.

 

[dennned]

I was at a "Non-Ped" Whippet Open yesterday, and I only realy went to watch the Scratch Racing; 36lb, 40lb and No limit. I enjoyed it and saw some fine animals run, but lets be honest..... 24/25", 50/55lb dogs are NOT Whippets, they are Greyhounds, and not particularly small ones either ! There has been smaller Greyhounds win the Waterloo Cup !! LOL !! What was wrong with the old 32lb or 21" limits ? At least these dogs could be realisticaly described as Whippets. There was allways the Scratch races and time handicaps for the bigger dogs. Many years ago when crossing Whippets with Greyhounds took off big time, there was still a 32lb limit, and the litter wastage, the dogs that went to big, were sent "up north" and had good careers up here.
Cheers.

There is still a 32lb limit

The dogs over that weight are called sratch dogs and run against each other not against the whippets

but it still brings in money towards the running of the event

so whats the problem with that . And you said yourself you only went to see the big dogs run

gary :thumbsup:

ah well heres the dillema-----------they're not whippets at all , they're whippet hybrids , of which , nature has no way of keeping them in whippet size or conformation, ----stuart

No problem with it whatsoever ! And If I get back into it, (I had my 1st Whippet in the 60's), I would want a scratch dog... My point is, you can't realy call a 55lb dog a "Whippet" !

Cheers.

 

[chartpolski]

I was at a "Non-Ped" Whippet Open yesterday, and I only realy went to watch the Scratch Racing; 36lb, 40lb and No limit. I enjoyed it and saw some fine animals run, but lets be honest..... 24/25", 50/55lb dogs are NOT Whippets, they are Greyhounds, and not particularly small ones either ! There has been smaller Greyhounds win the Waterloo Cup !! LOL !! What was wrong with the old 32lb or 21" limits ? At least these dogs could be realisticaly described as Whippets. There was allways the Scratch races and time handicaps for the bigger dogs. Many years ago when crossing Whippets with Greyhounds took off big time, there was still a 32lb limit, and the litter wastage, the dogs that went to big, were sent "up north" and had good careers up here.
Cheers.

There is still a 32lb limit

The dogs over that weight are called sratch dogs and run against each other not against the whippets

but it still brings in money towards the running of the event

so whats the problem with that . And you said yourself you only went to see the big dogs run

gary :thumbsup:

ah well heres the dillema-----------they're not whippets at all , they're whippet hybrids , of which , nature has no way of keeping them in whippet size or conformation, ----stuart

No problem with it whatsoever ! And If I get back into it, (I had my 1st Whippet in the 60's), I would want a scratch dog... My point is, you can't realy call a 55lb dog a "Whippet" !

Cheers.

Exactly, Den... they are hybrid Whippet/Greyhounds and as you say,, nature cannot dictate their size; but the BWRA CAN , by having strict rules as to breeding and weight limits. In my mind the BWRA were wrong to have a 55lb limit.

Cheers.

 

[dennned]

I was at a "Non-Ped" Whippet Open yesterday, and I only realy went to watch the Scratch Racing; 36lb, 40lb and No limit. I enjoyed it and saw some fine animals run, but lets be honest..... 24/25", 50/55lb dogs are NOT Whippets, they are Greyhounds, and not particularly small ones either ! There has been smaller Greyhounds win the Waterloo Cup !! LOL !! What was wrong with the old 32lb or 21" limits ? At least these dogs could be realisticaly described as Whippets. There was allways the Scratch races and time handicaps for the bigger dogs. Many years ago when crossing Whippets with Greyhounds took off big time, there was still a 32lb limit, and the litter wastage, the dogs that went to big, were sent "up north" and had good careers up here.
Cheers.

There is still a 32lb limit

The dogs over that weight are called sratch dogs and run against each other not against the whippets

but it still brings in money towards the running of the event

so whats the problem with that . And you said yourself you only went to see the big dogs run

gary :thumbsup:

ah well heres the dillema-----------they're not whippets at all , they're whippet hybrids , of which , nature has no way of keeping them in whippet size or conformation, ----stuart

No problem with it whatsoever ! And If I get back into it, (I had my 1st Whippet in the 60's), I would want a scratch dog... My point is, you can't realy call a 55lb dog a "Whippet" !

Cheers.

Exactly, Den... they are hybrid Whippet/Greyhounds and as you say,, nature cannot dictate their size; but the BWRA CAN , by having strict rules as to breeding and weight limits. In my mind the BWRA were wrong to have a 55lb limit.

Cheers.

yes maybe so , the bwra, think they can , but as has been said earlier , theres dogs running just now , which are'nt of the correct percentage of whippet in them, which cant be checked as theres no way of definatley checking the breeding like they do in greyhounds.---stuart

 

[sherry]

the bwra members had the choice to vote and did so FOR the 55lb limit myself i voted against it but the bwra are only putting into practice what the majority of members voted for. if your dog is over 55lb or the wrong breeding etc u can still run with nnwrf or regional opens etc

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

omg i feel another 54 pages coming on . (w00t)