New Bwra Ruling

[Paws123]

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[rodders]

Geoffs right you can't put Sugarfire over a greyhound now,he's a second generation pup from a whippet/greyhound cross.(Steinman/Silkies Hurricane)

following on from this any pups out of Sugarfire across a whippet(that isn't a 1st or 2nd generation pup) CAN go back to a greyhound :thumbsup:

But Suagr Fire has ghd in its 2nd geration so it can not line a greyhound

Sugarfire can't Dee your right.Second sentence I was on about pups out of Sugarfire,so was looking to future breeding of Sugarfire

 

[milly]

Geoffs right you can't put Sugarfire over a greyhound now,he's a second generation pup from a whippet/greyhound cross.(Steinman/Silkies Hurricane)

following on from this any pups out of Sugarfire across a whippet(that isn't a 1st or 2nd generation pup) CAN go back to a greyhound :thumbsup:

But Suagr Fire has ghd in its 2nd geration so it can not line a greyhound

True, but can be put over a 7/8 greyhound :thumbsup:

 

[rodders]

Thanks for the pedigree's Dee,can you colour Silkies Hurricane box in aswell

 

[rodders]

Geoffs right you can't put Sugarfire over a greyhound now,he's a second generation pup from a whippet/greyhound cross.(Steinman/Silkies Hurricane)

following on from this any pups out of Sugarfire across a whippet(that isn't a 1st or 2nd generation pup) CAN go back to a greyhound :thumbsup:

But Suagr Fire has ghd in its 2nd geration so it can not line a greyhound

True, but can be put over a 7/8 greyhound :thumbsup:

true again Geoff :thumbsup: as long as the 7/8 greyhound isn't a 1st or 2nd generation pup

 

[milly]

Even Goeff is confussed lol

A 2 generation gap from the offspring starting with Dark Peak ie Dark Peak = 1 Sugar Fire = 2 the offspring of Sugar Fire, providing they didn't come out of a full greyhound can be put back once again to a full bred greyhound, for the love of god, please sit back and absorb, I'm begining to lose the will to live :lol:

 

[rodders]

by all but my thinking how it reads sugar fire is 1st generation as you said 1st cross the PROGENY is genration 0 im i right ??

The original half/cross is not where the generation thing starts Chris.The generation counting begins with the pups out of it.For example if I bred Harvey his pups would be the 1st generation

 

[Paws123]

Also, its not a case of I've got what I need so lets not let anymore into the sport, I would have got what I needed without using Sugar Fire, there's one or two good stud dogs out there with more than 2 generations greyhound gap :thumbsup: bye the way, Sugar Fire justs misses the 2 generation gap.

Good to see you have corrected your previous post Geoff ...lol

Admit it you where confused there for a moment .. i did the same yesterday

 

[milly]

Errrmmm ...
Dark Peak or Wonderwall or Bigland Sue or Molly Stag - Whip x Ghd (Gen 0)

Sugar Fire or Moany Moany or Bigland Boy or Stag Posessed - (Gen 0 x Whippet) (Gen 1)

Pennysworth or Freya or Bagheera or Breakfast Boy - (Gen 1 x Whippet) (Gen 2) CAN GO TO GREYHOUND !!!

... still not sure if that's right hehe :blink:

And you say your at university Fleesh :lol: but your wrong, his is a wind up, int it?

 

[Fleesh]

Errrmmm ...
Dark Peak or Wonderwall or Bigland Sue or Molly Stag - Whip x Ghd (Gen 0)

Sugar Fire or Moany Moany or Bigland Boy or Stag Posessed - (Gen 0 x Whippet) (Gen 1)

Pennysworth or Freya or Bagheera or Breakfast Boy - (Gen 1 x Whippet) (Gen 2) CAN GO TO GREYHOUND !!!

... still not sure if that's right hehe :blink:

And you say your at university Fleesh :lol: but your wrong, his is a wind up, int it?

Tell me about it, I posted it then thought "durrrrr" apart from Freya they're all out of greyhounds -_-

So much going round in circles I'm starting to second guess myself and get it wrong !!!

 

[milly]

Also, its not a case of I've got what I need so lets not let anymore into the sport, I would have got what I needed without using Sugar Fire, there's one or two good stud dogs out there with more than 2 generations greyhound gap :thumbsup: bye the way, Sugar Fire justs misses the 2 generation gap.

Good to see you have corrected your previous post Geoff ...lol

Admit it you where confused there for a moment .. i did the same yesterday

Your trying to wind me up Dee, me make errors, not on you life o

 

[rob67]

Why is it important to certain people to continue this theme that people are confused by the proposal? Answer............cos they want people to think it isn't workable. If i was anyone on K9 I would give up trying to answer any queries but let people just refer back to extremely simple explanations put up on here. The more emotional they make this issue, the more they will suceed at getting the proposal overturned. Let them talk to themselves, sounds like they dont want to listen to the explanations anyway.

chris

 

[ahorsnall]

2) Breeders to continue to outcross to greyhounds but after an outcross progeny may not be out crossed to another greyhound for two generations. This would be done by not allowing the registration of puppies for racing if they fall within these criteria. As with all things in whippet racing this would be dependent on the integrity of members.
Reasons: - This would address peoples concerns about what some see as excessive use of greyhound outcrosses but would still allow for the introduction of new lines. It would also help to gradually reduce some of the more extreme excesses in size and may help to promote the use of existing scratch stud dogs for those actively wishing to race in the scratch.

This is the proposal that was put to the membership together with my reasons for proposing it. It is quite clear that the intention is to reduce outcrossing to full greyhounds, nowhere in the proposal that we voted on did it say anything about breeding 1/2 crosses. In fact if you read my reasons which were also sent with the proposal I make it crystal clear that part of this proposal was to promote the use of scratch stud dogs for those wishing to scratch race. I am an active scratch racer myself and have no wish to see an end to the breeding of scratch dogs. If the ruling is different to this then it is not a ruling that the membership voted on but something else entirely and absolutely nothing to do with my original proposal

progeny mated back to ghd for two generations so suger fire is 1st i quoted he would be 2nd but was told the progeny of the ghd x whippet is generation 0 fact

 

[Paws123]

IF YOUR NOT SURE GEOFF MAYBE MARIELOU OR HELLBOUND OR KERAN CAN EXPLAIN IT FOR YOU LOL

GARY :lol:

My be it should be you and Dee they should be explaing it to, because I can't get through to you's, all this cofusing people won't change the 2 generation gap, mybe if one of the other proposal's that was going to be put forward ie a 10 year gap before we could have gone back to a full greyhound could have been easier for all us simpleton's to understand :lol:

No Geoff the way the proposal reads is no stud dog with greyhound 1 or 2 generations in it can line a greyhound ... i don't need to explain any of it ...its not my proposal ... as i have said its confusing not just to me but to you also .

You stated that Sugar Fire was okay to line a greyhound in a previous post but then you have changed it to his off spring

Anyway as my charts show greyhound falls in all three dogs and one brood bitch at the 2nd generation

 

[Paws123]

Also, its not a case of I've got what I need so lets not let anymore into the sport, I would have got what I needed without using Sugar Fire, there's one or two good stud dogs out there with more than 2 generations greyhound gap :thumbsup: bye the way, Sugar Fire justs misses the 2 generation gap.

Good to see you have corrected your previous post Geoff ...lol

Admit it you where confused there for a moment .. i did the same yesterday

Your trying to wind me up Dee, me make errors, not on you life o

What ever ... yo wont be wrong anyway ..

 

[rodders]

2) Breeders to continue to outcross to greyhounds but after an outcross progeny may not be out crossed to another greyhound for two generations. This would be done by not allowing the registration of puppies for racing if they fall within these criteria. As with all things in whippet racing this would be dependent on the integrity of members.
Reasons: - This would address peoples concerns about what some see as excessive use of greyhound outcrosses but would still allow for the introduction of new lines. It would also help to gradually reduce some of the more extreme excesses in size and may help to promote the use of existing scratch stud dogs for those actively wishing to race in the scratch.

This is the proposal that was put to the membership together with my reasons for proposing it. It is quite clear that the intention is to reduce outcrossing to full greyhounds, nowhere in the proposal that we voted on did it say anything about breeding 1/2 crosses. In fact if you read my reasons which were also sent with the proposal I make it crystal clear that part of this proposal was to promote the use of scratch stud dogs for those wishing to scratch race. I am an active scratch racer myself and have no wish to see an end to the breeding of scratch dogs. If the ruling is different to this then it is not a ruling that the membership voted on but something else entirely and absolutely nothing to do with my original proposal

progeny mated back to ghd for two generations so suger fire is 1st i quoted he would be 2nd but was told the progeny of the ghd x whippet is generation 0 fact

If you quoted Sugar Fire has 2nd generation pup Chris,then you were right :thumbsup:

 

[ahorsnall]

so the ghd as to be great grand parent to be able to go to a ghd as you said the progeny is generation 0

 

[Paws123]

Why is it important to certain people to continue this theme that people are confused by the proposal? Answer............cos they want people to think it isn't workable. If i was anyone on K9 I would give up trying to answer any queries but let people just refer back to extremely simple explanations put up on here. The more emotional they make this issue, the more they will suceed at getting the proposal overturned. Let them talk to themselves, sounds like they dont want to listen to the explanations anyway.
chris

Chris your totally wrong , Ive raced dogs since the late 70s and i am all for bring the size down ...i am also sorry if the proposal confuses me but it dose , and others by the look of it ...full stop not my problem

Its a good proposal on paper but as Ive stated not very well put together

 

[rodders]

so the ghd as to be great grand parent to be able to go to a ghd as you said the progeny is generation 0

Is that question for me or Dee?

 

[milly]

IF YOUR NOT SURE GEOFF MAYBE MARIELOU OR HELLBOUND OR KERAN CAN EXPLAIN IT FOR YOU LOL

GARY :lol:

My be it should be you and Dee they should be explaing it to, because I can't get through to you's, all this cofusing people won't change the 2 generation gap, mybe if one of the other proposal's that was going to be put forward ie a 10 year gap before we could have gone back to a full greyhound could have been easier for all us simpleton's to understand :lol:

No Geoff the way the proposal reads is no stud dog with greyhound 1 or 2 generations in it can line a greyhound ... i don't need to explain any of it ...its not my proposal ... as i have said its confusing not just to me but to you also .

You stated that Sugar Fire was okay to line a greyhound in a previous post but then you have changed it to his off spring

Anyway as my charts show greyhound falls in all three dogs and one brood bitch at the 2nd generation

Can you quoto my post where I said Sugar Fire is ok to be mated to a greyhound Dee?