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[tony warren]

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so then this is a unworkable prop what fool thought of this then DOH

 

[ahorsnall]

It's not a 2 generation ''gap'', the proposal Marie-Lou put forward that was voted on was for the outcross progeny (i.e. the pup produced) cannot line another greyhound for 2 generations, thus equating a 3 generation ''gap'' as it were.
Like I said previously, to understand this look at the potential sire's pedigree and if the term greyhound is in either of the first 3 columns then it cannot line a pure greyhound.

This is what we all voted on, it was not instigated by the BWRA committee alone.

two from the progeny then suger fire 1st from the progeny :thumbsup:

 

[rodders]

so then this is a unworkable prop what fool thought of this then DOH

Not unworkable at all,a few people are just having a problem understanding it,and by calling somebody a fool does not make it unworkable

 

[Karen-Coral]

Chris that is exactly my interpreation of this !!

"so the ghd as to be great grand parent to be able to go to a ghd "

steve

 

[ahorsnall]

dark peak molli stag and mrs fletwood are the progeny :thumbsup:

 

[Fleesh]

so then this is a unworkable prop what fool thought of this then DOH

I wouldn't necessarily say that, once everyone understand clearly what can and cannot be done the proposal may well serve to reduce the size and proportion of greyhound blood in the non-ped whippet. As has been demonstrated there are dogs/bitches that can currently be put to greyhounds, there are others that can't yet but their offspring may be. I think it may be worth giving this proposal a try for the next two years, if it doesn't work out then a proposal can be put forward to remove it from the BWRA rules and again it can be up to the members to make the decision. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

However, I believe we have spent the last 30 pages of this topic arguing over wanting the same thing. That allowances be made for dogs already born before the AGM and pups born within 9-10 weeks of the results of the AGM have their future registrations honoured by the BWRA and be allowed to race.

 

[ahorsnall]

dark peak molli stag and mrs fletwood are the progeny :thumbsup:

and cant be mated back to a ghd for two generations suger fire is 1st generation

 

[gary farmer]

dark peak molli stag and mrs fletwood are the progeny :thumbsup:

BY JO HES GOT IT LOL :lol:

 

[Paws123]

IF YOUR NOT SURE GEOFF MAYBE MARIELOU OR HELLBOUND OR KERAN CAN EXPLAIN IT FOR YOU LOL

GARY :lol:

My be it should be you and Dee they should be explaing it to, because I can't get through to you's, all this cofusing people won't change the 2 generation gap, mybe if one of the other proposal's that was going to be put forward ie a 10 year gap before we could have gone back to a full greyhound could have been easier for all us simpleton's to understand :lol:

No Geoff the way the proposal reads is no stud dog with greyhound 1 or 2 generations in it can line a greyhound ... i don't need to explain any of it ...its not my proposal ... as i have said its confusing not just to me but to you also .

You stated that Sugar Fire was okay to line a greyhound in a previous post but then you have changed it to his off spring

Anyway as my charts show greyhound falls in all three dogs and one brood bitch at the 2nd generation

Can you quoto my post where I said Sugar Fire is ok to be mated to a greyhound Dee?

No because you went into it and edited it when gaz farmer told you , you where wrong

 

[rodders]

dark peak molli stag and mrs fletwood are the progeny :thumbsup:

and cant be mated back to a ghd for two generations suger fire is 1st generation

Chris,i'm :sweating: now :lol: Dark Peak, etc are the 1st generation out of the whippet cross greyhound.SugarFire is out of Dark Peake so he is the 2nd generation

 

[ahorsnall]

dark peak molli stag and mrs fletwood are the progeny :thumbsup:

and cant be mated back to a ghd for two generations suger fire is 1st generation

Chris,i'm :sweating: now :lol: Dark Peak, etc are the 1st generation out of the whippet cross greyhound.SugarFire is out of Dark Peake so he is the 2nd generation

the proposal says after the out cross the progent cant be mated to a ghd for two generations i might be thick but can count to two lol :clown:

 

[wild whippies]

It's interesting how many of us have differing theories as to how to interpret the proposal. I did draw up a simple instruction but to be honest, I'd quite like Marie to detail her interpretation seeing as though it was her proposal, after all how will any of us know if we're correct in our own interpretations?

 

[Paws123]

dark peak molli stag and mrs fletwood are the progeny :thumbsup:

and cant be mated back to a ghd for two generations suger fire is 1st generation

Chris,i'm :sweating: now :lol: Dark Peak, etc are the 1st generation out of the whippet cross greyhound.SugarFire is out of Dark Peake so he is the 2nd generation

so it cannot line a greyhound :b

 

[Paws123]

It's interesting how many of us have differing theories as to how to interpret the proposal. I did draw up a simple instruction but to be honest, I'd quite like Marie to detail her interpretation seeing as though it was her proposal, after all how will any of us know if we're correct in our own interpretations?

Hahaha good think Jacs...maybe someone will then add the correct chart off a dogs pedigree

 

[rodders]

dark peak molli stag and mrs fletwood are the progeny :thumbsup:

and cant be mated back to a ghd for two generations suger fire is 1st generation

Chris,i'm :sweating: now :lol: Dark Peak, etc are the 1st generation out of the whippet cross greyhound.SugarFire is out of Dark Peake so he is the 2nd generation

the proposal says after the out cross the progent cant be mated to a ghd for two generations i might be thick but can count to two lol :clown:

Question for you then,Do you consider the outcross to be the original mating of the whippet to the greyhound?

You tell me if anybody calls you thick and i'll sort em out o

 

[wild whippies]

Why is it important to certain people to continue this theme that people are confused by the proposal? Answer............cos they want people to think it isn't workable. If i was anyone on K9 I would give up trying to answer any queries but let people just refer back to extremely simple explanations put up on here. The more emotional they make this issue, the more they will suceed at getting the proposal overturned. Let them talk to themselves, sounds like they dont want to listen to the explanations anyway.
chris

It could be genuine confusion, I've had respectable people approach me confused so maybe Marie could help alleviate the matter?

At the very least, if there are people hellbent on making out the proposal isn't workable then she could knock this one on the head. :thumbsup:

ETA, Marie I don't know if this is helpful but your welcome to use any of Tony's dogs breedings as examples without any offence. Hobgoblin, Moonpie and Bobby Dazzler might be useful examples.

 

[ahorsnall]

any proposal as to be taken word for word the fact what was ment does not matter that should have been sorted before voting on not after :thumbsup: as once voted in should stand so its three generations from th pure ghd

 

[rodders]

any proposal as to be taken word for word the fact what was ment does not matter that should have been sorted before voting on not after :thumbsup: as once voted in should stand so its three generations from th pure ghd

Word for word AFTER the outcross for two generations

 

[milly]

funny geoff just thinking if this had come in a few years ago sugar daddy would not have happened because you could have not lined your greyhound with sugarfire

so then no sugar mouse and many of the other pups that you have bred strange that but true t

is this a case of i got what i need know so lets not let any more into the sport

this is not me being personal its just an observation

gary

I haven't taken this post personally, and I sympathize the situation your in regarding you and others who cant register their pups, its unfare.

I have made my thoughts know to the BWRA in a telephone call :thumbsup: and I will stand in your corner to get these pups to be allowed to be registered.

And I will insist that if any of the above pups go over the 55lbs cap, they should also be allowed to race, but lets say 10 weeks after the official ruling came into force, thats a no no.

Regarding me using Sugar Fire afew years ago, my answer is simple, I would have attened the AGM, and put my case to them, explaining that any pups bred in the previous year should be allowed to be registered, but unfortunately I didn't attend the AGM like yourself.

Also, its not a case of I've got what I need so lets not let anymore into the sport, I would have got what I needed without using Sugar Fire, there's one or two good stud dogs out there with more than 2 generations greyhound gap :thumbsup: bye the way, Sugar Fire justs misses the 2 generation gap.

The only thing that was edited on this post Dee, was god gor good.

 

[marielou]

It's interesting how many of us have differing theories as to how to interpret the proposal. I did draw up a simple instruction but to be honest, I'd quite like Marie to detail her interpretation seeing as though it was her proposal, after all how will any of us know if we're correct in our own interpretations?

OK Jacs, just for you and any one else who is genuinely interested I'll try again but I do have to say that as certain people want I am starting to lose the will to live but before I do can I just say that most people seem to have a very firm grasp of just what this proposal is and how to work it out, some of them just dont like it.

So here goes once more with feeling.....this is an example

say I have a non ped dog called Blogs and I have the opportunity to put him to a nubile young full greyhound bitch called Fast Fifi and I want to know if the BWRA would register puppies from this mating

Simple answer...if Blogs's mum or dad or any of his grandparents(not great grandparents,gg grandparents or even my grandparents :lol: ) were a full greyhound then the answer is no the BWRA would not register the pups. Anything else is fine and just as it has always been.

Both Chris and I have both said that we would like to see all puppies born or concieved before this proposal on 14/12/08 registered and for that to apply to both our proposal and the weight cap to be fair to all.