Racing/lure coursing

[TC]

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You are right Tracy .......I did post earlier saying the qualifying of racing and lure coursing classes DOES have to be made harder other wise it does make a mockery of qualifying for these classes at Crufts ......... I can say that ALL of my adult Whippets are Crufts qualified including my show bred Joanna whos the slowest dog ever    for the racing class, but i'd never dream of putting her in this class as her ability as a racer or lure courser was too poor IMO ........ even though she gives 100% .......but she would be more likely to get placed in these classes  :blink:

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Yes, I've seen your post Hannah, looks like we're thinking along the same wavelengths :thumbsup:

That's all I'm saying to you though, as I am now officially not talking to you as you're not coming Lure Cousing on Sunday now :angry: 8) :- "

Ruso and I are sulking We were soooo looking forward to seeing you and the gang :wub:

 

[Mark Roberts]

Now what he's saying goes against what Angela wrote? but as Angela actualy showed in the racing/LC class at this years Crufts and she's stated the way her whippet qualified (IE: it qualified for having won a Coursing meeting not getting placed in a ch show) then i'm inclined to follow Angelas guidance rather than that of the pen pusher at the KC who has in all realaty probably has never attended any show as it will just be a job to him.

it will be very interesting to hear their final comment on the matter though then we can all write in and chalenge it LOL.

PS: nice chatting yesterday on phone TC. :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

I suppose I see both sides BUT having two show breds from good parentage if I'd ever intended to show I would have gone to the ringcraft ect ect and entered them in proper shows :thumbsup:

Sorry but whats the point of having a racing/lure coursing show when it still goes on looks and nothing to do with ability on the track anyway :unsure:

 

[TC]

Now what he's saying goes against what Angela wrote? but as Angela actualy showed in the racing/LC class at this years Crufts and she's stated the way her whippet qualified (IE: it qualified for having won a Coursing meeting not getting placed in a ch show) then i'm inclined to follow Angelas guidance rather than that of the pen pusher at the KC who has in all realaty probably has never attended any show as it will just be a job to him.
it will be very interesting to hear their final comment on the matter though then we can all write in and chalenge it LOL.

PS: nice chatting yesterday on phone TC.  :thumbsup:

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I feel exactly as you do re the apparent lack of clarification Mark, and am looking forward to him replying :thumbsup:

I don't for one minute want to suggest that Angela's entry is not bonafide, it would seem that this is the general consesus by some, but in the same breath there are others that feel 'normal qulaification' for Crufts is also required. Me for one, or else I would have had my young racing man there :wub:

p.s Glad you enjoyed it, I thought I might have been a bit bolshy

 

[Mark Roberts]

if you do have to get placed at a Ch show as well as having won a race/LC then thats like Racing Clubs saying "you cant race a show bred at the club unless you get in a final at a racing championship 1st"

 

[Mark Roberts]

I don't for one minute want to suggest that Angela's entry is not bonafide,

Knowing Angela I would never question her Right to have been there or question her entrey either, I just used her reply as an example.

p.s Glad you enjoyed it, I thought I might have been a bit bolshy

Nah i'm married i'm used to Bolshi + I know Lesley :- "

 

[TC]

if you do have to get placed at a Ch show as well as having won a race/LC then thats like Racing Clubs saying "you cant race a show bred at the club unless you get in a final at a racing championship 1st"

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You can show any KC registered whippet at an Open/Champ/Companion show. You can't JUST enter Crufts :thumbsup:

 

[TC]

p.s Glad you enjoyed it, I thought I might have been a bit bolshy

Nah i'm married i'm used to Bolshi + I know Lesley :- "

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(w00t) 8) :- "

 

[TC]

I'm worried this is turning into the Mark and Tracy show :b

 

[*Lesley*]

I don't for one minute want to suggest that Angela's entry is not bonafide,

Knowing Angela I would never question her Right to have been there or question her entrey either, I just used her reply as an example.

p.s Glad you enjoyed it, I thought I might have been a bit bolshy

Nah i'm married i'm used to Bolshi + I know Lesley :- "

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Cheeky bugger I am fluffy not bolshy o

 

[BeeJay]

In order to show your dog in the special racing/coursing class at Crufts you do NOT need to have qualified at a Champ show etc.

Hence my comment/questions about having stricter qualifiers for the dogs that do compete in these classes. To make sure that the dogs that do compete in these classes are dogs that take part in these disciplines rather than the type of dogs that Mark was talking about. ie dogs that have won a right to be shown at Crufts.

 

[Joanna]

I don't for one minute want to suggest that Angela's entry is not bonafide,

Knowing Angela I would never question her Right to have been there or question her entrey either, I just used her reply as an example.

p.s Glad you enjoyed it, I thought I might have been a bit bolshy

Nah i'm married i'm used to Bolshi + I know Lesley :- "

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Cheeky bugger I am fluffy not bolshy o

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Yes you are Lesley, and nice. Love your answer btw, wish I could say things in less words and still say what I mean! :b

 

[Mark Roberts]

Cheeky bugger I am fluffy not bolshy

Should we get Andy to reply to that :- "

Beaker get yourself ready for the dark destroyer, Now remember those delicate chain show leads we were chatting about? well i'm going to get a big 1" thick one for Mo LOL.

 

[Happy Humber]

I wrote to the kennel club last year and asked if dogs could qualify for the class when they ran with the BSFA as well as the coursing clubs. This is because after the ban the criteria for the class did not make any sence. The Kennel Club want to encourage people with racing /coursing dog to get involved with shows in the same way that they put on gamekeeper classes for gun dogs.

The thing to do if you feel the entry is not properly checked is to write to the Crufts commity and they will look into it. You have to remember they know nothing about racing/coursing etc. so we need to explain it to them.

The class is fairly new so if it is to much of a problem they may just take it off althogether which would be a pity.

Last year Sue Hoddinot won a place with her dog Bantam Cock also known as Harry who I believe is a WCRCH.

 

[Happy Humber]

I forgot to say you can only show is the racing/coursing class unless you qualify in the usual way.

I wrote to the kennel club chairman and have his letter of reply here somewhere

Thats me just go straight to the top!!!

 

[Mark Roberts]

I wrote to the kennel club last year and asked if dogs could qualify for the class when they ran with the BSFA as well as the coursing clubs. This is because after the ban the criteria for the class did not make any sence. The Kennel Club want to encourage people with racing /coursing dog to get involved with shows in the same way that they put on gamekeeper classes for gun dogs.
The thing to do if you feel the entry is not properly checked is to write to the Crufts commity and they will look into it. You have to remember they know nothing about racing/coursing etc. so we need to explain it to them.

The class is fairly new so if it is to much of a problem they may just take it off althogether which would be a pity.

Last year Sue Hoddinot won a place with her dog Bantam Cock also known as Harry who I believe is a WCRCH.

Great post mate, I think it explains things very well.

Sues dogs not a WCRCh though

 

[Joanna]

I forgot to say you can only show is the racing/coursing class unless you qualify in the usual way.

Do you think you could just clarify this please. Do you mean via a champ show placing or just by winning a course or race? I saw Sue H with her dog last year, lovely whippet :wub:

 

[Mark Roberts]

I think they meant it to read

I forgot to say you can only show in the racing/coursing class unless you qualify in the usual way.

ie: for all the other classses you must have got placed at a Champs show ect but for the Racing & LC class you dont have to qualify at a Champs show you can just enter as long as you race/lure course or coursed before the ban.

which is What Angela & someone else had already said.

 

[Joanna]

I think they meant it to read
I forgot to say you can only show in the racing/coursing class unless you qualify in the usual way.

ie: for all the other classses you must have got placed at a Champs show ect but for the Racing & LC class you dont have to qualify at a Champs show you can just enter as long as you race/lure course or coursed before the ban.

which is What Angela & someone else had already said.

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Thanks Mark.Old age and all of that :- "

 

[Mark Roberts]

Thanks Mark.Old age and all of that

I know the feeling Lass.