Scratch Rulings

[GRAHAM PEM]

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Sorry to bring up this old chestnut again. Could the people who appealed to the bwra regarding the new rulings on scratch dogs clarify which rule they appealed against the start date on?

The orginal vote that took place at the agm was that both the 55lb & the greyhound progeny ruling would start from the date of the agm. Then after appeals from members a statement was issued by the bwra which i and many others thought implied that both the 55lb cap & greyhound progeny rule would be given a period of 10 weeks grace from the date of the original agm to allow for any bitches mated before the date of the meeting.

I was in agreement with both the rulings, however it now seems only one of the rulings were given a 10 week period of grace. To me this is wrong.

quoted from the bwra statement

The Committee has also considered appeals of mating bred, but not registered before the proposal came in. It was felt to be unfair to these pups as purchasers had no prior knowledge of the implementation of this New Rule.Therefore the Committee has decided a period of amnesty.

Ten weeks from the 14th December 2008 AGM date. An allowance has been made for those litters born during this period and they will be allowed registration with the BWRA.

All litters born after the 22nd February 2009 deadline. From this date forward the new ruling will apply to all litters not conforming to the New BWRA ruling and will not be allowed to register as a BWRA whippet"

The highlighted section is to me what is the misleading part of the statement and implies the bwra felt it was unfair to eliminate dogs already born. This affects both the breeding & the 55lb cap and nowhere does it say the original start date of the agm for the 55lb would be adhered to.

many scratch racers saw this coming - there's now a newcomer to the sport who bought a dog as a non pedigree whippet from a repeat mating of bigland boy x mismatch mini who has gone over the 55lb weight cap. The revised start date is not only unclear to him but also the majority of our club members who were under the impression that because this dog was already born before that "new" start date and one ruling which would potentially eliminate dogs was given a period of grace that also the 55lb cap ruling was given the same leeway, and the dog would be ok to register.

AS THE TOPIC STARTER MARK WOTS YOUR OPINION ON THE SUBJECT OUT OF INTEREST DONT GET ME WRONG I WANT TO SEE ALL THE DOGS BORN BEFORE THE SAID DATE NO MATTER HOW IT WAS BRED OR THE WEIGHT THESE LITTERS MADE ALSO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ABIDING BY THE NEW RULES

 

[mutley]

i was there when gary was told he could regester pups due to timing but if they exceed cap the he would have money returned :angry: this sport was fine long befor these rules came in the breeding rule was a set up against gary and graham and no one will convince me otherwise :angry: agree they needed to breed down but that dosnt allways work, i hope the dog can be regestered also the cap and breeding wont work theres far to many reasons to go into just why it wont work but there quite a few :angry: can someone say what weight the dog in question is please

 

[gabbitas31]

Who owns The Black Peal??? I've heard of it but don't know who the owner is any help please, :teehee: Di

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

FORGET HIS NAME DI BUT HE A LOVEY BLOKE AND I WISH HIM ALL THE BEST WITH BLACK PEARL JUST GLAD ITS NOT GRAHAM OR GARY.

 

[ROBDOG]

i was there when gary was told he could regester pups due to timing but if they exceed cap the he would have money returned :angry: this sport was fine long befor these rules came in the breeding rule was a set up against gary and graham and no one will convince me otherwise :angry: agree they needed to breed down but that dosnt allways work, i hope the dog can be regestered also the cap and breeding wont work theres far to many reasons to go into just why it wont work but there quite a few :angry: can someone say what weight the dog in question is please

between 60 , 70lb

 

[mutley]

thanx pal

 

[JOHNG]

i was there when gary was told he could regester pups due to timing but if they exceed cap the he would have money returned :angry: this sport was fine long befor these rules came in the breeding rule was a set up against gary and graham and no one will convince me otherwise :angry: agree they needed to breed down but that dosnt allways work, i hope the dog can be regestered also the cap and breeding wont work theres far to many reasons to go into just why it wont work but there quite a few :angry: can someone say what weight the dog in question is please

the sport was even better before scr racing introduced.lyd/lb rule

 

[hellbound]

not wanting to go off topic but really cant understand how " this was a set up against gary and graham " ?? it was voted in by the members so if members did'nt like the way Gary and Graham were breeding and put this rule in place to stop the way they were breeding really cant see how that was a setup,

i dont believe this rule on breeding was just to stop 2 members breeding but to make everyone think about how much greyhound was in the breeding of our whippets and lets face it if this dog ( Black Pearl ) would'nt have been allowed to run with its breeding without the amnesty, which only adds to my point that this rule was'nt just about Gary and Grahams breeding but all breeding with more greyhound than whippet,

 

[mutley]

silly reply mr gill :wacko: scratch is a major part of our sport :thumbsup:

 

[deneside colin]

SOD THIS IM GOING TO SAY THIS AND DONT CARE WHO IT OFFENDS THIS HAS BEEN A SET UP RIGHT FROM THE START

THE PEOPLE THAT HELPED TO BRING THIS RULE IN NOW WANT IT CHANGED

WHY BECAUSE ITS A LOCAL DOG RUNNING WELL AT A LOCAL TRACK

AND THE RULE THAT YOU WAS SO EAGER TO ENFORCE LAST YEAR HAS NOW BIT YOU IN THE ASS

I COULD PUT LOADS OF QUOTES ON BUT TO BE HONEST I CANT BE ASKED

HOPE THE DOG GETS REGISTERD BUT THIS STINKS OF AS LONG AS IM ALL RIGHT JACK

NOT ONE PERSON NOW DEFENDIING THE RULE

ONLY ONE WORD SPRINGS TO MIND

CORRUPT

this topic is getting very boring rules are made to be kept by the bwra and fed so just stick to them till the next agm geoff

GARY :rant:

This is nothing about changing rules Gary.The 2 rules,both breeding and capping were voted in by the membership and as such are here to stay unless the membership vote on a proposal at a future date which does away with the rules in question.I personally can't see this happening as a)there was quite a large majority voted the breeding proposal in(think it was alot closer on the capping rule) and b)I've already heard it said that theres still too much greyhound in some dogs and maybe the breeding proposal didn't go far enough.I'm certainly wondering what this years proposals will bring.Anyway back to what I was saying,this is nothing about changing rules,this is about the amnesty period given by the commitee after the AGM.Don't see anything CORRUPT in expecting the amnesty to be applied to ANY pup already born or concieved before the end of the 10 week period.The BWRA commitee in their official statement as bought up on here by Dee did not say wether the amnesty applied to one rule only, so you can't blame us for attributing it to both rules :thumbsup:

 

[Trojan]

Was that when whippets were 'whippets' and greyhounds were 'greyhounds' - o bugger ok rifles being loaded, im ready for the firing squad (w00t) (w00t) but then most people know i love whippets and greyhounds but do believe there should be a line drawn somewhere between the two :unsure: :thumbsup:

 

[mutley]

like i said yvonne i know why the rules were made up or should i say for who just my opinion. but it proves it aint gonna be fair this dog is perfectly well bred same as a few others i wont name, and look at the size its gone if we are willing to take a chance breeding to bigish stud dogs even with yard a pound we will get some going really big just dont agree with it ive used this exsample loadsa time baileys comet 26 pound to freewheeler 32 smallest to race from litter 18 bigest free comet 58 unpredictable and not enough dogs in the sport as it is now just my opinion remember this is just a discusion board and holds no water with either bodies )

 

[hellbound]

my opinion is that all dog within the amnesty should be allowed to reg and run any dog outside the date that go over the weight should get there money unless the cap is voted out this year lol

 

[mutley]

if i have to i will admit it was getting out of hand, but this is a perfect exsample of how it may not be a good ruling anyway im not fussed i only race little uns that is unless bramble decides otherwise with her litter you never know (w00t)

 

[hellbound]

like i said yvonne i know why the rules were made up or should i say for who just my opinion. but it proves it aint gonna be fair this dog is perfectly well bred same as a few others i wont name, and look at the size its gone if we are willing to take a chance breeding to bigish stud dogs even with yard a pound we will get some going really big just dont agree with it ive used this exsample loadsa time baileys comet 26 pound to freewheeler 32 smallest to race from litter 18 bigest free comet 58 unpredictable and not enough dogs in the sport as it is now just my opinion remember this is just a discusion board and holds no water with either bodies )

i agree (w00t) dont and never have agreed with the weight cap we should never stop a whippet racing because of its weight again just my opinion

 

[mutley]

my opinion is that all dog within the amnesty should be allowed to reg and run any dog outside the date that go over the weight should get there money unless the cap is voted out this year lol

at least your sticking to your guns and when you put it like that i agree with you its just gary was told he could reg his litter but if they go over cap wich none did he would be refunded and they were born in the time allowed it just seems a bit misleading the whole thing does at least everyones only discusing and not trying to strangle each other :lol:

 

[hellbound]

Was that when whippets were 'whippets' and greyhounds were 'greyhounds' - o bugger ok rifles being loaded, im ready for the firing squad (w00t) (w00t) but then most people know i love whippets and greyhounds but do believe there should be a line drawn somewhere between the two :unsure: :thumbsup:

lol get up agaist the wall Karen (w00t)

 

[mutley]

karen do you want a blind fold :lol:

 

[JOHNG]

silly reply mr gill :wacko: scratch is a major part of our sport :thumbsup:

silly reply or not it's true mr bailey,all the arguments on here involve scratch dogs just trawl back through the posts and have a look mr bailey.

iam entitled to my opinion yd/lb racing was here long before scr,

 

[mutley]

just one more thing my argument at the time was when gary was told he would get his money back i thought this was wrong if they went over cap they should still be allowed due to timing of rules and births etc so really thats what you are saying and i agree no dogs should be discriminated against if they were born before the new rules