Today's Walk

[Violet Turner]

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My walk tonight was lovely and the scenery was gorgeous so i thought i would share

 

[doggie1]

The calm before the storm.
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I need to go and lie down in a darkened room for an hour now. Any of that Bailey's available?

 

[Mayblossom]

Was it traumatic? Hehe

 

[doggie1]

Was it traumatic? Hehe

Do you really want to know? Actually, there were positives out of the negative, but it's just so wearing.

 

[Mayblossom]

I know the feeling well , our Springer has to bark at everything and she has such a high pitched bark/howl she scares the dogs and their owners ! Been very lucky as in nearly nine years never had another dog show aggression to her and she’s never so much as growled , it’s a defensive bark , she’s just saying leave me be but why does she have to say it so loud and right at them ? Been like it from being a puppy , found out later the breeder had let the Dad of the pups in with them and he’d had a go at Molly, seems she was the only one affected by it

 

[doggie1]

I know the feeling well , our Springer has to bark at everything and she has such a high pitched bark/howl she scares the dogs and their owners ! Been very lucky as in nearly nine years never had another dog show aggression to her and she’s never so much as growled , it’s a defensive bark , she’s just saying leave me be but why does she have to say it so loud and right at them ? Been like it from being a puppy , found out later the breeder had let the Dad of the pups in with them and he’d had a go at Molly, seems she was the only one affected by it

Have you ever tried to train her out of it?

 

[Mayblossom]

Many times , we’ve tried socialising, praising, distracting but nothing works if the dog comes towards her, now if I walk out with another dog for half an hour she’ll get use to it and will quite happily carry on with her walk...as long as the other dog doesn’t dare to look at her and she won’t bark if we meet a dog on a lead,other times she’ll ignore a loose dog, just no telling with Molly , bless her. Luckily we can walk her on wide open spaces where she can just do her thing and run and run.

 

[doggie1]

Many times , we’ve tried socialising, praising, distracting but nothing works if the dog comes towards her, now if I walk out with another dog for half an hour she’ll get use to it and will quite happily carry on with her walk...as long as the other dog doesn’t dare to look at her and she won’t bark if we meet a dog on a lead,other times she’ll ignore a loose dog, just no telling with Molly , bless her. Luckily we can walk her on wide open spaces where she can just do her thing and run and run.

Oh, so I may never get him out of it. He does seem to respond to 'no' and 'stop' calmly but firmly spoken. The same guy with two dogs walled on the bank and I turned him and said 'no'. He got more agitated when they were directly opposite right in his trigger zone, but he stopped when I turned him and said 'no'.

 

[Mayblossom]

That’s a positive then! Keep focused on those I breathe a sigh of relief when I get back to the car after a peaceful walk, now the little terrier is totally different ( Molly has never ever barked at her ) she’s very sociable .....as long as they don’t take too long sniffing her bum then she’ll let them know!

 

[doggie1]

That’s a positive then! Keep focused on those I breathe a sigh of relief when I get back to the car after a peaceful walk, now the little terrier is totally different ( Molly has never ever barked at her ) she’s very sociable .....as long as they don’t take too long sniffing her bum then she’ll let them know!

Did you ever have any break through moments with Molly? I think you're a saint! I'm not sure I can keep Eddi if we don't get him out of it.

 

[Mayblossom]

Oh definitely as she has improved so much over the years, when she was a pup she would scream and scream at other dogs then run off, always came back though thank goodness. And if we do beach walks she very rarely barks, very inconsistent is our Molly we now just accept her for what she is and try to avoid confrontations if we can. After she’s had her barking session she carries on as if nothing has happened so it obviously hasn’t bothered her that much, to be honest I think,after all these years, it’s become a habit . Great in every other way.....apart from pulling on her lead

 

[Mayblossom]

How old is Eddi ?

 

[doggie1]

Oh definitely as she has improved so much over the years, when she was a pup she would scream and scream at other dogs then run off, always came back though thank goodness. And if we do beach walks she very rarely barks, very inconsistent is our Molly we now just accept her for what she is and try to avoid confrontations if we can. After she’s had her barking session she carries on as if nothing has happened so it obviously hasn’t bothered her that much, to be honest I think,after all these years, it’s become a habit . Great in every other way.....apart from pulling on her lead

Eddi pulls on his lead. Can you let Molly off lead? We daren't because of his high prey drive, he wouldn't come back if he was distracted by something. Might not come back anyway. When we take him to training they have an off lead socialisation session, I was scared at first, but he's great. He runs with the dogs for a while then plays with his ball. He's only two and a half so he is young. There is a year when he is unaccounted for and he spent 6 months in a rescue center. He has a checkered past.

 

[JudyN]

[QUOTE="doggie1, post: 1168295, member: 90500" I'm not sure I can keep Eddi if we don't get him out of it.[/QUOTE]

Which aspect of his reactivity is it specifically that makes you think that you might not be able to keep him? Is it his pulling causing your back problems, or embarrassment when he kicks off at other dogs, for instance? I wonder if you would be able to redefine a 'good' walk - if he was reacting at another dog but stopped when you said 'no', you could see that as a great walk.

I've certainly had 'breakthrough' moments with food and cat reactivity. At one time, if there was a crust of bread in the gutter and I wouldn't let him get it he would direct his frustration at me. Now, although he will try to grab it, he's very accepting when I pull him past. Plus we can now walk past cats in driveways with me saying 'not for you'.

 

[JudyN]

Ooh, I've just thought - have you come across the Yellow Dog Project? Yellow Dog UK - Some Dogs Need Space If he wore a yellow vest or bandana, it might make some people think twice about letting their dog approach Eddi, and also give you a chance to explain (at a distance!) why they shouldn't let it approach.

 

[doggie1]

Ooh, I've just thought - have you come across the Yellow Dog Project? Yellow Dog UK - Some Dogs Need Space If he wore a yellow vest or bandana, it might make some people think twice about letting their dog approach Eddi, and also give you a chance to explain (at a distance!) why they shouldn't let it approach.

I have thought of that. I don't think Eddi would be aggressive, I think it's barrier frustration, but it might make people move away. I do feel that he is in a bad habit and maybe more exposure - in a controlled way - not less might get him over it. There are those hormones to consider though CARE says not to let them out for two weeks to let their adrenaline settle, but he'd never go for a walk and whist there are other ways to expend energy, he loves to walk and run.

 

[Mayblossom]

Molly is always off the lead on her walks , only on lead if I have to do a bit of road work. Eddi is still young and sounds as if he has lots of positives

 

[doggie1]

[QUOTE="doggie1, post: 1168295, member: 90500" I'm not sure I can keep Eddi if we don't get him out of it.

Which aspect of his reactivity is it specifically that makes you think that you might not be able to keep him? Is it his pulling causing your back problems, or embarrassment when he kicks off at other dogs, for instance? I wonder if you would be able to redefine a 'good' walk - if he was reacting at another dog but stopped when you said 'no', you could see that as a great walk.

I've certainly had 'breakthrough' moments with food and cat reactivity. At one time, if there was a crust of bread in the gutter and I wouldn't let him get it he would direct his frustration at me. Now, although he will try to grab it, he's very accepting when I pull him past. Plus we can now walk past cats in driveways with me saying 'not for you'.[/QUOTE]
It's sad, but we go travellng in our campervan, we told the rescue centre when we adopted Eddi and they assured us he would love it. We haven't tried him yet and we are not giving up yet, but if he barks at every movement, he is not going to be good on campsites. I am working hard with him to get him down to a dull roar and to be more attentive to us when he has a distraction. His high prey drive also worries me. Patterdales are bred to hunt and we think he has probably been used as a hunter in the past. I feel that a domestic situation is the not the best for Eddi, he hates new things - we are the worst dog parents for him in that respect. His prey drive may make him dangerous to other little dogs on campsites.

It's heartbreaking, we had our last dog for 11 and a half years and took her everywhere with us and wanted the same for another dog. We can't take him anywhere. I worry for the little chap if we don't keep him, we're going to try one-one with the trainer after Easter, I'll try anything to make it work and keep him. A good walk would be him just whimpering at another dog and stopping when we say so. His bark resonates to America.
I've been cleaning since his walk and he's throwing his nylon bone at me. Time to take him for some off lead time n the yard then out for a walk.

 

[JoanneF]

I wonder if a flirt pole would allow him to satisfy his prey drive appropriately and safely, and give you a less physically demanding way of exercising him?

 

[doggie1]

I wonder if a flirt pole would allow him to satisfy his prey drive appropriately and safely, and give you a less physically demanding way of exercising him?

Funnily enough, I've just been reading about flirt poles. Bubbles and a flirt pole for Easter it is.